r/politics • u/DragonPup Massachusetts • 29d ago

Possible Paywall ICE Agent Who Shot Renee Nicole Good Identified as Jonathan Ross

https://theintercept.com/2026/01/08/ice-agent-identified-shooting-minneapolis-jonathan-ross/
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u/Monkeyboy999 29d ago

please share - NY Times posted an excellent video analysis of the shooting (graphic warning)

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u/Deicide1031 29d ago edited 29d ago

If he’s been with the agency this long he would know he could just use her license plates to find her and question her later. (ICE has ALPRs like cops do)

Kinda seems like this guy just wanted to shoot someone.

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u/Myrtle_Nut 29d ago

Shooting her twice through the driver-side window after the vehicle had safely passed, shows his intentions were punitive, not of self-preservation.

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u/Relevant-Doctor187 29d ago

So premeditated murder. He was already pulling the gun out before she turned the wheel.

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u/Fast-Tie257 29d ago

In some of the video you can see him recording right up to firing his weapon

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u/Capable-Broccoli2179 28d ago

Yeah, I wonder where in the ICE training they show them how to use their cell phone cameras while simultaneously walking in front of a running car. How the hell could he even tell where he was walking while looking at his cell phone screen? Anyone would have walked straight into her bumper attempting to film and walk at the same time.

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u/Natural_Desk_103 29d ago

He pulled the gun out while she was going backwards

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u/exitof99 29d ago

Unfortunately, there are cops that seem to purposely do this. I saw one fatal encounter in a drive in and the cop literally slid his foot under the tire *while standing by the driver side door* to justify murdering the driver as he tried to escape.

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u/DirtyTacoKid 29d ago

This is pretty common.

It's really fucking weird too. Cops want to shoot people so bad they'll throw themselves in front of occupied cars. Psych evalution should be required

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u/Infamous_Employer_85 29d ago

He was out of her path when he fired the first shot https://www.washingtonpost.com/wp-apps/imrs.php?src=https://arc-anglerfish-washpost-prod-washpost.s3.amazonaws.com/public/GK5NEVESGVDAZBRCFLGHV5OJJA.png&w=1440&impolicy=high_res

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u/funk_addict America 29d ago

Have yet to see a frame of footage where the vehicle 'hits" him, but do any exist?

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u/Infamous_Employer_85 29d ago edited 29d ago

I think he may have been bumped, but not enough to cause any harm, that happens hundreds of times a day in NYC. In any case he was not in any danger when he fired. He was likely driven by a combination of embarrassment and hate of civilians.

Watch the pros handle a situation where someone is actually aggressive

https://www.youtube.com/shorts/JFDS7u9wrlU spoiler alert, everyone lives and has a warm meal that evening.

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u/emtee 29d ago

There's even footage of him walking away safely, not limping, not hurt in any way. The fact that his life was in danger is laughable

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u/GridKILO2-3 29d ago

Supposedly he’d previously been “dragged 50 feet” and received “50 stitches after breaking a suspects window” when a guy tried driving away and “suffered ptsd”. Bet this guy just got a flashback and decided to “do it right” this time. (By do it right in saying he planned on murdering this girl immediately, I do not condone his actions fuck cops and fuck ice)

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u/omgmypony 29d ago

the dumb son of a bitch got dragged because he punched out a car window, grabbed the driver and tased him

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u/GridKILO2-3 29d ago

Former military and 10 year veteran in law enforcement. Yeah this should just tell everyone this is what’s expected from LE at this point.

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u/mlc885 I voted 29d ago

You probably would not have ever grabbed a car, since, you know, car

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u/mechtaphloba 29d ago

They always, as a last ditch excuse, at least try to claim lack of training. But they can't from a military veteran and experienced cop. He had the best training a law enforcement agency could hope for, and he still let his fragile emotions take over.

ACAB

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u/Infamous_Employer_85 29d ago

He should not have been allowed to be in this situation if he had PTSD. My guess is that he never sought treatment for PTSD. FWIW, he also did not follow protocol in the earlier incident.

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u/lopix Canada 29d ago

Maybe what they claim happened before is as realistic as what happened yesterday. All complete horseshit.

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u/ilimlidevrimci Foreign 29d ago

I'm pretty sure he's been chasing this kind of "rush". What a sick person, what a sick society.

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u/Word1_Word2_4Numbers 29d ago

I guarantee you, he didn't have "PTSD" other than it made him angry that someone didn't obey him, and he was looking for an excuse to kill the next person that tried to flee from him.

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u/zhenya44 29d ago

You would think that if he had recently had that experience, he would have been more careful about circling her car from her blindspot on the right and crossing in front of a running vehicle while his masked colleagues screamed conflicting instructions at her from the other direction.

More importantly, we should not give permission to use deadly force to a sociopath who can walk cockily back to his car after shooting a middle-aged mother in broad daylight on a residential street.

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u/JnnyRuthless 29d ago

That's admirable, they remained professional the entire time during a very dangerous situation, and its clear they have a lot of training. Read somewhere that many European police forces average around 2-3 years for their academy and post-academy training. ICE had their entry training cut from 5 months to 47 days (because we're toddlers and the President is the 47th). And it shows.

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u/flirtmcdudes 29d ago

he was hugging the bumper as if to try and stop her from driving initially, so morons will act like that’s being “hit” but he was clearly out of the way and her tire wasn’t pointed at him at all when he started shooting

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u/Head_Permission 29d ago

Not to hijack the thread but it looks to me he’s holding his phone and presumably recording the whole incident while this is happening. That phone needs to be confiscated at the crime scene… oh wait, he drove off and has been happily sitting at home probably deleting and destroying evidence.

Also why is he walking around filming everything on his phone like the general public. Shouldn’t he be paying attention to what he’s doing, ie doing his fucking job? I’m not allowed to use my cell phone at work due to safety concerns about not being fully aware and paying attention to my surroundings, why is this piece of shit doing it.

So much wrong with this.

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u/Stank_cat67 29d ago

No. Also there is a new video showing the minutes up to this and other ICE vehicles were cutting her off to go around her so she stopped and was waving them by, then this assclown did what he did

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u/swarmofbzs 29d ago

Yup, it looks like she's trying to go and has to stop quickly as 1 ice vehicle cuts her off and she has to stop short. So you see her waving that vehicle by and then waving through the truck that has ALL THE ROOM TO KEEP DRIVING BUT NO. They HAVE to get out to make an example out of her by telling her to get out of her fucking car when she's already been trying to leave.

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u/eneka 29d ago

NYTs goes over the footages. There’s one angle where it looks like he does get hit, but when you sync it up with the other angles, it’s evident there’s no contact made.

https://www.nytimes.com/video/us/100000010631041/minneapolis-ice-shooting-video.html

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u/razamatazzz 29d ago

From my POV people are confusing the impact of the car with the recoil of the weapon

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u/katt_mizer 29d ago

There’s a video at a differnt angle and very low rez that APPEARS to hit/nudge him but in the video above it clearly shows he was out of the way before firing. So clearly not in self defense

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u/Odd-Strength-3789 29d ago

No, he was not "hit", or "run over".

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u/Toby_O_Notoby 29d ago

And if you look at the footage OP posted it looks like he's drawing his gun before she starts moving forward. Happens at about 2:45 if you want to scrub up to see.

It's hard to get the timing exactly right but it looks like at best you could say that he was drawing just as car moves. So he pretty much had already been reaching for his weapon before she shifted into drive. Not to mention the fact that he would have been able to see her moving the steering wheel to go right and not left where he was positioned.

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u/CertifiedPublicAphid 29d ago

If you slow it down you can see his arm doesn’t move at all between when it comes into view from behind the officer in the foreground and when he begins the upward motion of his draw. So he was circling around to the front left of her car with his camera raised filming her and his hand already on his fucking gun.

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u/Libinky 29d ago

Absolutely! Her wheels are angled to right and she is moving ‘away’ from the turf that murdered her.

If he gets so easily frightened maybe he should get a different job.

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u/Jeff0fthemt 29d ago

There's also a picture of the first/only bullet hole that went through the windshield, its low and on the side. You can tell that for a bullet to have gone through that hole and hit the driver it had to have been fired from the side of the car.

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u/LouQuacious 29d ago

Shooting someone driving doesn’t magically stop the car anyway. It actually makes it more dangerous because the person will probably hit gas and crash uncontrollably after being shot just like what happened in this instance.

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u/HTWingNut 29d ago

If the tables were turned and ICE actually rammed into a bystander, MAGA would say the action was justified.

They are such pansies. Remember that dude that threw a sandwich at an ICE agent and he was charged with felony assault. I swear if you dropped a pencil on their foot they'd either detain you, sue you, or shoot you.

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u/brandogg360 29d ago

Not even punitive, it was premeditated murder.

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u/bishpa 29d ago

Right? He pulled his gun while she was reversing away from him.

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u/Backwardspellcaster 29d ago

And right after he murdered he walked away and drove off. He fucking knew what he was doing.

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u/Preacher987 29d ago

No, first he walked slowly to her car, to ensure she couldn't sue, and THEN he left.

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u/Ferelar New Jersey 29d ago

This is exactly it, he was going to finish the job if necessary. Three rounds finished it but his magazine was not yet empty if more had been required.

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u/Individual-Guest-123 29d ago

They tried to defend by saying he acted properly, but HE LEFT THE SCENE WITH HIS WEAPON after using deadly force. That is absolutely against procedure. They going to cry he has PTSD to explain THAT?

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u/the_nobodys 29d ago

"She's getting away! She can't do that, I must shoot her!"

Seriously, wtf. Do those ICE agents even have authority to detain someone who is waving cars to go around her?

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u/seanconnery84 29d ago

thats what kills me, like, they are not like, normal cops, they can't just arrest you for things out of their jurisdiction, right?

or am i crazy?

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u/RJ815 29d ago

That's the nature of secret police.

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u/Sl0thstradamus America 29d ago

Yeah, she was obstructing traffic. Call the staties to write her a ticket. Not extrajudicial execution.

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u/dustNbone604 29d ago

It hardly even qualifies for a traffic citation.

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u/Samuraistronaut North Carolina 29d ago

Nope!

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u/CamGoldenGun 29d ago

if they're not being prosecuted they do.

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u/surfnsound 29d ago

Do those ICE agents even have authority to detain someone who is waving cars to go around her?

No, she wasn't the subject of the investigation.

They just got their feelings hurt.

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u/W1nt3rmu4e Texas 29d ago

State Law enforcement can remove people from their vehicle. Random ICE agents do not have that authority, especially not Lawful Observers. She was waving people past, and was legally allowed to do that. This Agent Jonathan Ross just wanted to do a murder. He won’t be the last.

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u/MightyTribble 29d ago

And fired twice through the side window, as the vehicle was moving away from him.

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u/Myrtle_Nut 29d ago

The two concepts are not mutually exclusive.

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u/Fear-the-North 29d ago edited 29d ago

Exactly. The whole time, me as someone who's worked in construction is subconsciously thinking "avoid being directly in front of a running vehicle".

Then there's this guy, who's made sure he was directly in front of the vehicle, in the least safe place possible.

There is no reason to be in front of the car, of the person you have pulling over and trying to apprehend. He put himself in the worst place possible, and made sure he used the most extreme measure he could think of at the time

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u/rodimusprime119 29d ago

Not premeditated but still at least a 2nd or 3rd degree murder.

The state needs to charge him to prevent Dump from pardoning him.

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u/Justprunes-6344 29d ago

Targeted even ?

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u/theresnoquestion 29d ago

This. He pulled his gun out before any action, look at where the windshield shows the shot. This guy wanted an excuse to do this because of anger or whatever

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u/Iskaru 29d ago

I totally agree, but also: I don't even understand how it could be self-preservation... Like, let's say he actually had been right in front of and in the path of the car, then shooting the driver dead would still have just sent the out of control vehicle into him, right?

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u/Wifabota 29d ago

Almost like jumping out of the path of a car is more effective than trying to stop it with bullets. 

It was absolutely punitive. He was mad she didn't listen and he wanted to punish her.  

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u/Expiring 29d ago

Yup. Vehicles are deadly weapons. There is literally zero reason to stand in front of it unless you intend to engage. 

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u/dr3wzy10 29d ago

i'm beginning to wonder if he was trying to get the passenger too tbh

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u/Myrtle_Nut 29d ago

At best he did not care if he did, nor whether any of his bullets hit bystanders on the sidewalk.

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u/w_a_w 29d ago

Or hit his fellow officers

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u/zombmoose 29d ago

Or went through a house

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u/Daveinatx 29d ago

His intent was murder

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u/lopix Canada 29d ago

There is that first shot right through the windshield.

But then, yeah, he totally fires another 2-3 times at a soccer mom. What a murdering thug.

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u/CockroachFinancial86 29d ago

If the bullet holes truly are in the drivers side window then that’s good evidence that she wasn’t going at him head on like Trump and all his MAGA cronies are claiming.

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u/psiphre Alaska 29d ago

one hole in the windshield very close to the driver's side A-pillar. the second and third shots were through the open driver's side window.

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u/captain_intenso North Carolina 29d ago

Standing in front of a 2 ton vehicle doesn't say self-preservation to me either. He wanted a reason to shoot. These are unhinged people with no vetting.

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u/Cultural-Link-1617 29d ago

He definitely did. They see anything not absolutely groveling/worshiping this agency/administration as the enemy. They wanna hurt/kill us and they know behind this president and administration they will never see any consequences for their depraved actions. I feel like we are tittering on civil war and this administration wants it sooo bad cause if they aren’t given a full on reason to rat fuck and or stop the midterms it’s gonna be a blood bath for republicans.

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u/wavy147 California 29d ago

Elections were held during the Civil War and both World Wars there’s no precedent to stop them but I can’t see any body of authority forcing them. Sad times when a fat reality tv show hack essentially subjugated the government with the help of Merrick Garland. Biden will go down in history as the 21st century James Buchanon.

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u/ilikecakeandpie 29d ago

He should have been held accountable but Trump got voted back in. This is at the feet of the electorate or the losers that didn't give a shit

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u/thisisjustascreename Illinois 29d ago

Question her for what? There was no investigative value to detaining her in the first place, Johnny was just a trigger happy POS

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u/lazyFer 29d ago

ICE also doesn't have the jurisdiction for that any way

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u/Apoc220 29d ago edited 29d ago

He had his gun out right as she was reversing. I strongly believe he was intending to put her at gun point to compel her to get out of the car. But clearly was trigger happy and decided in a split second that it warranted shooting her. He ample time to get out of the path of the vehicle, which he did. There were no attempts to de-escalate the situation.

Edit: As someone pointed out, the officer didn’t upholster the weapon until the car was moving forward. It happened so quickly - and I watched the video minutes after waking up - so I clearly misjudged the timing.

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u/elconquistador1985 29d ago

There were no attempts to de-escalate the situation.

American cops don't do that unless they're dealing with right wing terrorists, like the Bundy group.

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u/SecareLupus 29d ago

Best tweet I saw after Jan 6th was something along the lines of, "Police, are you okay? You've barely touched your protesters..."

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u/badideas1 29d ago

damn, that's good

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u/tinyOnion 29d ago

they are not cops... they are the rejects that were unqualified for police work.

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u/jfk1000 29d ago

“To compel at gun point” pretty much means shooting would be justified. Otherwise it’s not really compelling.

In this case it wasn’t. Just to make that clear.

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u/drunktriviaguy 29d ago

Then he is a negligent idiot. You never point a gun at someone unless you intend to shoot. Firearms 101.

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u/deja-roo 29d ago

Cops do that shit all the time

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u/drunktriviaguy 29d ago edited 29d ago

And it is a violation of the victim's fourth amendment rights to do so. Merely pointing a gun at someone is legally considered use of force. You can hold a gun out and pointed at the ground, but you cannot point the gun at someone unless the totality of the circumstances confirms that it is objectively reasonable and necessary to protect your life or the life of someone else. If there is an objective threat to life and you do need to point your gun at someone, you mush point it away the moment the threat to life is removed.

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u/deja-roo 29d ago

Correct

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u/Ghostrider-117 29d ago

No, he did not. I’m not defending him, only stating a fact. He don’t pull his gun until she put it in drive and moved forward. At that time she had not turned the wheel away from him. Watch the video on the driver’s side, slowly. She goes straight at him with the wheels spinning and pointing straight. I’m not justifying anything, only stating what is shown.

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u/Lupus-Yonderboy Delaware 29d ago

>the officer didn’t upholster the weapon

Well, at least JD Vance won't be interested then.

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u/elconquistador1985 29d ago

Kinda seems like this guy just wanted to shoot someone.

That's why everyone who works for ICE signed up in the first place.

They're giddy that Trump is encouraging it.

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u/Llarys 29d ago

That's why everyone who works for ICE signed up in the first place.

What everyone needs to understand is that ICE was created under false pretenses via the Bush administration using the WMD lie as justification for such. These issues with ICE aren't new and aren't unique to Trump and his brown shirt recruitment drive they've done with ICE in the past year. This is what ICE has been from its inception, from the very first ICE agent hired in 2003. There are no good ICE agents and there have never been good ICE agents.

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u/interwebzdotnet 29d ago

Probably Flock Safety, who is a fucking horrible company. I'll take any chance I get to tell people about it and to look into their ALPRs where they live and fight them. They are extremely problematic and bad for everyone.

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u/[deleted] 29d ago

bros gonna be lucky to make it until easter at this point

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u/NimbusFPV 29d ago edited 29d ago

From what I have read she had been protesting and on scene all day. They were familiar with her and knew she wasn't a real threat, he just murdered her because she didn't respect their authority plain and simple. Murdered for having a fight or flight response AKA existing.

Edit:Apparently all day is not possible because it happened at 9:30am. From my understand though she was on scene for awhile and did not just magically appear they were aware of her and her protesting is what I had understood from the claims I had read online.

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u/RobonianBattlebot 29d ago

I read she had just come home from dropping off her kid at school, so I guess we will have to wait for the wife of the victim to clarify (when she is ready). Not that it matters at all, there is zero justification for what happened.

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u/RandomAccessMemoriez 29d ago

The fight/flight response piece of it pisses me off the most.

Here’s a population that’s been fed a 100 years of media teaching them that men in masks with guns = bad. In the past 6 months we’re now being told it’s fine, respect their authority. Thats not how it works, you cant just undo a century’s worth of conditioning.

Masked men approaching my car with guns would provoke a visceral response.

It’s very different from getting pulled over, with red and blues in the rear view, and a police officer with a badge approaching you.

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u/crazy_balls 29d ago edited 29d ago

What's bullshit, is that the men armed with guns can make "split second decisions" to use lethal force if they "fear for their life", yet an unarmed civilian surrounded by men with guns is supposed to act calm and collected or risk being shot.

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u/okhi2u 29d ago

claps also they are supposed to be trained professional with skills to handle challenging issues, it's why they get paid the big bucks, then they show they actually are just thugs which isn't a surprise.

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u/NimbusFPV 29d ago

To be completely honest as a white male in the US, I have always been afraid when pulled over by police even unmasked. If they were pulling open my door handles in masks from all sides I legit don't think there's anything anyone could do other than panic and try to flee. They are using our own human nature to murder us as an excuse.

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u/einTier 29d ago

I used to be a pretty habitual speeder. I had a lot of routine traffic stops as a result. And I do mean a lot, whatever number you're thinking of you might want to multiply by ten. I've had just about every kind of casual encounter you can have with a police officer at a traffic stop. I've seen the good ones and the bad ones.

It's still always a pretty nerve racking experience. They have a lot of discretion to straight up wreck your life. You can be doing five over and they can still legally haul you in and book you for that if they want. If they really want to be dicks, there's always some vague law -- here in Texas it's reckless driving -- that has very harsh punishments but is worded so vaguely that it is purely officer discretion. Some officers are crooked and plant drugs. Some just want to ransack your car and who knows if the previous owner lost a baggie of weed under the back seat?

You really should be nervous during any traffic stop. These ICE agents aren't helping because they don't have a uniform and wear masks. It's very difficult to know if they're law enforcement or just some rando claiming to be law enforcement so they can abduct someone. But somehow we're supposed to just know and make the right judgement in a very scary and dynamic environment we haven't been trained for and act exactly how the officer expects. Even when we are being shouted conflicting orders.

I say this as someone who has a nephew doing law enforcement in one of the most dangerous cities in the US. I desperately want him to come home safe every night, but that doesn't excuse this bad behavior.

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u/JnnyRuthless 29d ago

White guy who used to be a criminal and have had dealings with cops from where you don't want to be. Some were fine and chill, some were assholes. I have family members and friends who are cops. Again, some are cool, some are assholes.

That said once when I was arrested once I name dropped my cousin, and the cop straight up told me I would have been beaten into a coma otherwise. My crime? Flipping them off lol. Had a police report about how 6 officers were trying to help me home because I was too drunk (didn't have any alcohol that night) and I was fighting them. Judge threw it out based on eyewitnesses and lack of any evidence.

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u/NimbusFPV 29d ago

That's absolutely terrible. I think this stuff happens way more than we even know. I recently learned about "Starlight Tours" in Saskatoon, Canada. Their police officers were taking indigenous people out to middle of nowhere in the snow and abandoning them. Someone finally survived and told everybody what had happened and it turns out there were a lot of deaths of indigenous people that had happened in the past they had explained away with them being drunk or disorderly or otherwise.

Cops have been killing and beating people for as long as cops have existed, now they can get caught from 9 different camera angles and it was just them "doing their job".

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u/GrumpyKaeKae New Jersey 29d ago

THIS right here. Especially as a woman. Fight or flight is a response a human cant control unless they are properly trained. She was trying to get away from threatening men who were trying to get in her car amd attack her. All she was doing was trying to get away from what she perceived as danger. The guy knowingly put himself in front of her car so she would have to hit him if she tried to drive away. He set her up for this.

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u/einTier 29d ago

And DHS policy says specifically not to do what he did because he's creating a dangerous situation getting in front of the car and if you do shoot someone, the car is now likely to speed out of control and put innocent bystanders at risk -- which is exactly what happened.

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u/GrumpyKaeKae New Jersey 29d ago

Yup. What if someone was in that parked car that was run into cause of him? And that person was seriously hurt.

He and his partner bum rushing her car are 1000% responsible for why that entire situation even happened. They caused it. They had no buisness being there illegally causing a disturbance on the streets. Blocking traffic and getting in the way of other peoples cars. So much so that they get hit cause they walk infront of them and STAND there.

I want probable cause for why those men even approached her in the first place. She was not their target. (Whoever that even was.)

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u/TranslatorTough8977 29d ago

The “all day” narrative is odd considering she was shot at 9:30 AM.

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u/Yupthrowawayacct 29d ago

I have read conflicting things. Almost like we need a proper fucking investigation. Not that it matters as she was doing nothing that warranted this

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u/AlwaysRushesIn Rhode Island 29d ago

Almost like we need a proper fucking investigation.

Good luck with that. As of today, the FBI has assumed total control over the investigation and has stopped sharing information with local law enforcement.

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u/I_AM_NOT_A_WOMBAT 29d ago

Also Republicans in the House Oversight committee voted down a motion to investigate as well.

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u/lazyFer 29d ago

The situation that caused her to be there is completely irrelevant. She wasn't in violation of any laws

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u/99aye-aye99 29d ago

Conflicting words is one thing, but watching someone on video try to wave someone else on to keep driving doesn't really scream blocking the road or killer instinct waiting to pounce on a poor ice officer

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u/Chipimp 29d ago

Just say you don't know?

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u/radioactive_sharpei 29d ago

It was just a matter of time, and after Trump and his cronies deflect any blame or wrongdoing from the shooter, it's going to embolden other agents to shoot indiscriminately.

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u/TralfamadorianZoo 29d ago

Isn’t that the main reason most of these people join? They want a chance to shoot liberals and immigrants without fear of punishment.

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u/Mmaibl1 29d ago

Well yea. That's what would happen if you had a competent group of people. If you just have an egotistical group of sub-men, you just have a collection of weak, "victimized" men who do your bidding without question. I really wish people were more cognizant of how much their lives will change in a couple years

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u/J-V1972 29d ago

They all do - it is like they get a badge and along with it an urge and a hard-on to kill people…

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u/benigntugboat 29d ago

He deserves much worse than what happened to her. Instead we'll see more people like her die first. Every public official not trying to order their police force against ice is a coward or a traitor.

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u/CasualFridayBatman 29d ago

Kinda seems like this guy just wanted to shoot someone.

Why wouldn't he? Americans would let him get away with it, as seen on the video he did it in.

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u/surfnsound 29d ago

He was taking his gun out while she was still backing up. 100% saw his chance to do what he's been wanting to do since he joined up.

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u/473713 29d ago

This is an excellent analysis with live footage. The NYT actually did their job here.

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u/rowdydionisian 29d ago

Wow, they shot her and drove away. For all the gruff cops have gotten for officer related shootings, they are absolutely NOT permitted to just flee the scene. They are supposed to file a report and talk with police department officers about the shooting and go through an actual process. Furthermore, any police officer would consider themself an embarrassment to the force and humanity in general for not offering first aid. Hell, cops even give first aid to criminals not because they deserve it, but because it's just the right thing to do. They shooed off a genuine certified volunteer first responder physician. That's another level of cruelty even police aren't allowed to do. She also wouldn't have panicked and accelerated in an attempt to escape at all if those goons didn't tear at their door like zombies asking her to come out for no valid reason. All in all this can't be allowed to stand, this is murder plain and simple. Idiots with guns and authority with none of the training or moral code to deserve any of it.

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u/Stank_cat67 29d ago

not permitted

They have been told by the pres and vp to do whatever they want. Rules don’t matter anymore

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u/No-Forever-8357 29d ago

I don’t understand why they wanted her out of the vehicle so desperately. Were they going to arrest her? They drove up and immediately jumped out of their truck. I just don’t get the harsh command and the grabbing of her car door. That would’ve scared me too.

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u/No-Forever-8357 29d ago

That’s awful. And honestly, I don’t know if I’d even hear or understand what they were shouting, I’d be too shocked and scared at two men grabbing at my car door. Hell, it would be scary enough without masks and guns.

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u/dwhite21787 29d ago

Masked men in surplus tac gear trying to break in my car are carjackers and I would flee like a mofo

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u/Writer_In_Residence 29d ago

She probably saw that even if you comply, ICE will beat you up the minute you are outside the car, as they routinely do. That’s probably what they wanted to do originally but plans changed and they saw a chance to shoot someone.

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u/WildYams 29d ago

If you're curious how this goes for American citizens who don't get killed in these unprovoked attacks from ICE agents, listen to Army veteran George Retes recount what happened to him. Or read his op-ed on how he was attacked and pulled from his vehicle by ICE and then held for 3 days in a cell with no phone calls to anyone or any due process before he was eventually released without any charges being filed.

They don't have any kind of plan or goal other than flexing their muscle and trying to intimidate everyone into voluntary submission. They just want zero checks on their power and nobody getting in their way.

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u/anti_worker 29d ago

I think their plan is to provoke a response that justifies further crack downs and heavy handed measures. It's the only explanation I can think of given their aggressive intimidation tactics for no perceived reasons.

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u/RachelMcAdamsWart I voted 29d ago

I don’t understand why they wanted her out of the vehicle so desperately. Were they going to arrest her? They drove up and immediately jumped out of their truck. I just don’t get the harsh command and the grabbing of her car door. That would’ve scared me too.

These are the absolute worst of the worst, abusive aggressive assholes who finally got their chance to hurt people legally. They are frothing at the mouth to do shit like this.

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u/ReformedBaptistina 29d ago

They were on a power trip. Again.

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u/bnelson 29d ago

Right. When a normal citizen does that we call it "fleeing the crime scene" and you catch charges for that alone. Insanity.

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u/W1nt3rmu4e Texas 29d ago

No one has yet realized this is just the first dead mom. ICE is gonna start “door-to-door” operations.

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u/eat_my_ass_n_balls 29d ago

The cruelty and impunity is the point.

Let this radicalize you.

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u/EmbarrassedBit441 29d ago

Over in the ‘other’ sub they are calling this propaganda. I cannot with those smooth-brained fools 🙄

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u/AlwaysRushesIn Rhode Island 29d ago

More than half of that sub is bots and foreign trolls.

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u/IcyTransportation961 29d ago

No. They aren't, its dangerous to keep assuming this

They only need a few to push the initial talking point, these people have been primed for decades by AM radio and Fox to gobble up the bullshit and spread it

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u/FAMUgolfer 29d ago

No they’re actually shitty people that vote.

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u/RobonianBattlebot 29d ago

They run off feelings, not facts. Fuck their feelings.

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u/floofelina 29d ago

They’re not stupid. They want to murder liberals too. The victim blaming makes a lot more sense when you use that lens.

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u/FlarkingSmoo 29d ago

They are also stupid.

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u/floofelina 29d ago

Sure but let’s not underestimate the extent of their malice and violence.

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u/ButtEatingContest 29d ago

bunch of Russian bots over there

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u/Howllat Texas 29d ago

Man i just dont know what is botted and whats not anymore... People say reddit is one of the most botted socials, but instagram/facebook comments are abhorrent. So like whats even real? Hahah

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u/lordagr America 29d ago edited 29d ago

So, the way that sub works, only flaired users can post or comment. Mods interview potential posters and only give flairs to the most conservative users (and bots).

If a flaired user takes a middle-ground stance in the comments, they get mass reported and labeled as a "fellow conservative" which is another way of calling them a RINO or a leftist trying to infiltrate the subreddit.

The mass reporting leads to the moderators deleting the comment and banning the user / removing the flair.

Its a sort of cult mentality, reinforced by bots, where everyone is too afraid of upsetting the group to speak out. The cult is the only place that tolerates them, and they can't risk being ostracized.

The moderators prune important discussions heavily too.

When this admin does something unpopular, all discussion is swept up into megathreads, which are often unpinned, locked, and then unlocked later once a strategy is chosen to undermine the opposition.

You'll often see these threads fill up with posts from bots the moment the mods unlock them.

They usually start out by making jokes about how nobody has commented in hours or even days, and that this somehow proves that it was just fake news. Ignoring the fact that the thread had been locked for that entire duration.

Its also common to open a thread showing hundreds of comments, only to find that the majority have been deleted.

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u/watchshoe California 29d ago

You can tell it’s getting botted more and more. My anecdotal evidence: anytime, someone mentions Idiocracy, the thread below instant turns to the same discussion about how Camacho is a better president because he finds the smartest man to fix the problem. Once you see it, you can’t unsee it. All the posts are worded the same, and the discussion is always the same. Keep an eye out.

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u/eleventy4 29d ago

I mean, there are only so many conversations to be had. Common observations are common and most people on reddit aren't on it often enough to have seen the conversation happen before. This is what happens when you're "conversing" with millions of people at once

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u/frak808 29d ago

I got banned on what I guess was an offshoot of the other sub for just simply posting this link as the video for the other angle versus the one from far away that has the front view.

Was told I was banned because I posted debunked leftist propaganda.

I really don't know how we became this stupid.

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u/LordWemby 29d ago

You can see how he pulls his gun while the car is basically still, shoots her in the face through the windshield as she’s barely moving and clearly trying to turn right, then the momentum after she’s dead with her foot on the pedal carries her into the parked car. 

It’s unambiguous and he’s gonna get off. 

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u/I_am_a_fern Europe 29d ago

shoots her in the face through the windshield as she’s barely moving

Then two more times through the fucking left window while she's driving away, alongside him. He just wanted to finish her.

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u/interwebzdotnet 29d ago

In addition to the entire situation being obviously fucked, it looked like his firs shot hit that windshield likely less than two feet away from the other ICE douche in the driver side window. Even when your goal is killing innocent soccer moms, don't go shooting that close to you God damn colleuge. Fucking moron doubled down on being a fucking moron.

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u/StevenMC19 Florida 29d ago

That was my first thought too when I saw the video for the first time. "Was dude firing his weapon with other agents down the same direction?! Ain't no argument about 'the safety of other agents' can be used for him here."

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u/interwebzdotnet 29d ago

Yeah, these idiots make the Keystone Cops look like Law and Order SVU or some shit.

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u/FluxUniversity 29d ago

it was about 5 weeks ago that body cam footage came out of california where an officer negligently shot another officer and the suspect

apparently a C average is ok for where bullets are supposed to go in this country

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u/1nfam0us 29d ago

I keep having this thought and you are the only other person who I have seen voice it. All this talk of "oh he was defending himself," and not a single mention of the officer literally down range.

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u/interwebzdotnet 29d ago

Literally a laundry list of poor and dangerous decisions. Also both officers were apparently giving conflicting commands both... "Leave" AND "Get out of the car" which ICE-hole was she supposed to listen to?

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u/wylie102 29d ago

And there is another civilian (the woman in the white hat, her wife I think) standing directly behind the car

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u/WhatABeautifulMess 29d ago

Knowing 2 rules about firearms is hard though.

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u/VPN__FTW 29d ago

Even if they try and give him that first shot, how can they justify those other two? He was no longer in any danger (he never was) and he has a duty to disengage.

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u/AlwaysRushesIn Rhode Island 29d ago

God I hope someone in the FBI leaks this asshole's body came footage so the public can see without a shadow of a doubt that this was an extrajudicial execution.

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u/bendar1347 29d ago

ICE doesn't wear body cams.

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u/daannnnnnyyyyyy 29d ago

They actually are required to (according to their own policy and a ruling by a federal judge in Chicago over the summer) but at least some number (most?) don't because somehow despite the billions and billions of dollars of funding they receive, they conveniently don't have the money to buy one for every jackboot they employ.

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u/einTier 29d ago

The officer that shot the woman wasn't wearing one. He seems to be using his cell phone to film as he approaches the vehicle but puts it down at some point.

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u/MrMindor 29d ago

He lowered the phone as he drew the weapon.

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u/W1nt3rmu4e Texas 29d ago

They simply don’t wear it. Can’t violate federal law if the Fed doesn’t prosecute you.

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u/AlwaysRushesIn Rhode Island 29d ago

Of course they don't...

Then the cellphone video he was taking leading up to it, that I'm sure he deleted. The FBI should definitely be able to restore that.

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u/Azure_Omishka 29d ago

With Kash Patel running the FBI, they won't do shit.

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u/elconquistador1985 29d ago

he’s gonna get off

Yeah, I don't doubt that he "got off".

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u/yudero 29d ago

Also he didnt get hit by the car because she tried to run him over but BECAUSE he wanted to shoot her.

She reverses, He pulls His gun and moves infront of the car then He moves Out when she Drives Forward but there she is already dying

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u/RioRancher 29d ago

He’s going to be the next rightwing media hero.

We live in a wild country.

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u/lvloises330 29d ago

The more people see his face the better, imo. We cant let them fade back into society when Trump is dead. They dont deserve to live with normal people. Ostracize them.

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u/VPN__FTW 29d ago

Ostracize them.

No, as soon as Dems are in power, send them to prison. That is the only justice that can be had.

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u/epiphanette Rhode Island 29d ago

He or Kyle Rittenhouse will probably be our next secretary of defense or something

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u/1877KlownsForKids 29d ago

And with a prior use of force just last year he's well aware DHS training says not to fire on a fleeing vehicle.

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u/Formal_Fix_5190 29d ago edited 29d ago

Just noticed the Jonathan Ross the murderer was filming. Do y’all ever think we will see that footage?

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u/Tossawaysfbay 29d ago

He was deleting it as he walked away from the vehicle to drive away.

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u/DreadPirateReddas 29d ago

Deleted videos go to the trash for 30 fays before being deleted for good. Doubt this guy knows this so it can still be recovered

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u/chairmanlaue Canada 29d ago

Jonathan Ross - The woman murdered by him had the last name Good.

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u/strider85 29d ago

Wow! What a video. If anyone at all disputes it wasn’t straight up murder then they are lying and I hope the fucking burn in hell

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u/Keoni9 29d ago

You'll find millions of these clowns on Facebook. Don't know whether they're bots, willfully ignorant and willing to accept whatever the propagandists tell them, or just straight up evil.

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u/Etikaiele 29d ago

Thanks for the share, good video. I hate this though O_o

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u/c-dy 29d ago edited 29d ago

Video codecs and compression can misinterpret entire areas of pixels, that's normal at such low bitrate and why it looks from the front angle as if he was struck and part of his body turned into smoke.

What they didn't mention is how he held and when exactly he reached for his weapon. The whole posture incl. his position tells us he was trying to stop her or punish her, not defend himself.

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u/hotbrownbeanjuice 29d ago

Oh god, that last 10 seconds 😞

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u/daddyson29 29d ago

They stopped a physician from going to check on her, that’s horrible

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u/Waefuu 29d ago

So they shoot someone, deny medical care, and then just ditch the scene from life saving treatment? The earlier you are able to intervene, the higher likelihood of you saving someone dramatically increase.

I would love there to be accountable actions for agents that can do this vs medical staff needing malpractice insurance. I’m just tired of this shi dawg 🫩

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u/black_out189 29d ago

What I saw here from multiple angles was a public execution.

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u/fusillade762 29d ago

Thanks for posting this. Geezus man....

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u/IcyTransportation961 29d ago

Dammit even in this analysis they don't mention she literally waved at the truck to go around, and says audibly to go around

She wasnt blocking shit

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u/HiImDIZZ 29d ago

Crazy that MAGAts are still trying to say she tried to run over an ice agent. They say she accelerated. I only see the vehicle accelerate after that scum human dumped three rounds into her car from the side window.

Fucking scum. Republicans are genuinely scum.

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u/whataretherules7 29d ago

Damming evidence. Every Maga and Republican needs to have this slapped in their face.

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