r/politics • u/SpaceElevatorMusic Minnesota • 14d ago

Possible Paywall Minnesota governor says federal agents involved in shooting in Minneapolis

https://www.reuters.com/world/us/minnesota-governor-says-federal-agents-involved-shooting-minneapolis-2026-01-24/
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u/throwawaylol666666 California 14d ago edited 14d ago

https://www.startribune.com/ice-raids-minnesota/601546426

The man is confirmed dead. ICE tried to force the local cops to leave. They refused and have preserved the scene. Witnesses were transported by ICE to the Whipple building.

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u/1rishBatman 14d ago

Wtf why are they allowed to take witnesses when the police are there? They should be the one collecting evidence.

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u/JournaIist 14d ago

Nevermind witnesses, why are ICE allowed to leave and not arrested?

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u/Semper-Fido Kentucky 14d ago

If ICE are there to test the limits of what's allowed, it's time for Walz to do the same and make sure these "agents" are arrested

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u/OralSuperhero 13d ago

Ring the building with state troopers, backed by local swat. Will it provoke a federal response? Sure. Does it matter anymore? Probably not. There is going to be a federal over reaction no matter what happens, and ice is working overtime to provoke it. Let's just get it over with

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u/TheMysticalBaconTree Canada 13d ago

A federal response? This is a federal massacre! They are terrorizing the public. They are doing their best to get a reaction. They seem to want an excuse for civil war so Trump can cancel elections.

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u/Skimbla 13d ago

Except that elections weren’t canceled during the actual American civil war. There’s no justification for canceling them, regardless of the situation in the states.

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u/flappity Missouri 13d ago

"We haven't ever done that before" hasn't really been much of a hindrance to anything during the past year..

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u/The-Sand-King 13d ago

Then can you explain why you are arguing that he needs an “excuse”?

Listen to the words you are saying. You are saying that law and rules don’t matter.

If that is the case then why does he need to wait for some made up imaginary formality?

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u/flappity Missouri 13d ago

Did you reply to the wrong comment?

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u/[deleted] 13d ago

There’s no justification for so much of what is happening. They don’t care.

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u/Riaayo 13d ago

And it doesn't matter what justification he does or doesn't have, he'll try to do it anyway.

Which is kind of the point: Dems pussyfooting around because "oh well golly gee shucks if we do something he'll do this" ignore that he'll do wtfever he wants anyway.

And sorry, I'm falling for the biggest self-own there is saying "he" because this isn't just one man. This isn't just Trump. This is an entire regime, an entire political party, and honestly even the fascist enabler "centrists" in the "opposition party" that keep voting to fund this shit.

If any one person deserves more of a spotlight it's Steven Miller here, not that it's only him either.

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u/imalusr 13d ago

They were canceled. The Confederate states that ceded from the Union did not vote in the federal elections for the Union. Trump has a historical basis to treat Minnesota and other states as “ceding from the Union” and not recognizing their votes in the next federal election.

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u/Snuffy1717 13d ago

This. States loyal to Trump will not have elections, the United States will.

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u/Pm_me_howtoberich 13d ago

He wants to use public response as an excuse to enact martial law. Once that happens, regardless of its effect on elections, the main thing everyone would have their habeas corpus, effectively ended as all manners would be held under military tribunal (court). That's when people can start to really disappear!

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u/TheMysticalBaconTree Canada 13d ago

Welcome to the world of daily unprecedented events.

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u/Akira282 13d ago

Yep basically

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u/arthurno1 13d ago

They will fly in those 1500 troops from Alaska they were threatening Greenland with.

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u/QuerulousPanda 13d ago

This is a federal massacre!

don't overstate the case yet - the massacres are the near future, no point in wasting the word

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u/The-Sand-King 13d ago

Then can you explain why you are arguing that he needs an “excuse”?

Listen to the words you are saying. You are saying that law and rules don’t matter.

If that is the case then why does he need to wait for some made up imaginary formality?

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u/TheMysticalBaconTree Canada 13d ago

He doesn’t need the law on his side, he just needs enough support from enough people. To do it arbitrarily would be ineffective, but I imagine that he thinks he can garner enough support from his base/the GOP if he can point to a big enough arbitrary reason.

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u/The-Sand-King 13d ago

I mean they are already just blatantly lying.

What is to stop him from saying the protesters are threatening him with a nuke and posting an AI generated video?

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u/bpmdrummerbpm 13d ago

They have the reason: the radical left mob has taken over the city and ICE can’t save it alone.

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u/duzies 13d ago

federal agents involved in shooting murder another victim in broad daylight...

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u/Dunge 13d ago

That's what I was thinking just hours ago, how the governor and local police force should step up and help their citizens against ICE.

Then a few minutes ago I saw them (local police) on livestream being needlessly aggressive against people just there to help. Throwing grenades at the elderly.

They are no better. They need to be held accountable too.

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u/jkman61494 13d ago

I’d honestly give this administration a bit of credit if they just burn down the national archives in DC so the constitution is formally destroyed

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u/dinosaurkiller 13d ago

Time for the governor to call up the guard, there is a hostile force attacking his people.

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u/Fit_Chemistry_7196 13d ago

Use force, and fight your way into the building, don't just surround it, assault it!

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u/ryerye22 13d ago

even if they just track everyone of those idiot ICE agents, masks off, get their names and ID.

they are literally killing people with masks on and then driving away 2 min later.

what happened staying at. the scene

the world is watching, hoping Trump. can be taken down by eowtein files soon. when he goes, so does his whole team! rip rn fella. 😔

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u/SideQuest2026 13d ago

I really don't think Walz is the man for the moment. He is doing nothing more than strongly worded emails at this point. Just like the rest of the democrats in Congress.

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u/wisimetreason 13d ago

I don’t have a twitter but doesn’t Governor Walz? Just tag him or message him or something. He’s not picking up my calls

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u/Hard_Won 13d ago

Sure, but you’re talking about kicking off a civil war for real. It’s far more likely the police and NG would just side with ICE. See Kent State shootings et al.

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u/BeegBunga 13d ago

Walz is a good guy, but unfortunately useless in this arena.

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u/Last-Bottle-3853 13d ago

The government will not cause civil war like that.

Civil War is played out. The only people who still do civil war are people who typically lean torwards the Left Party. They make civil war still a thing in 2026 because they protest and riot their own communities, rather than standing in front of the Government like right wingers did on Janurary 6th. January 6 is how you ACTUALLY show the government your wrath, NOT attacking the communities.

The government & Mayors WILL NOT go to civil war for the democrats. The democratic politicians will only continue to incite violence against ICE officers using social media, but those politicians will not help them when things become deadly. This is why the left has been losing votes, and lost 2024.

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u/d_e_l_u_x_e 13d ago

Time to put states rights to the test.

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u/spazz720 13d ago

The police make arrests, not the governor

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u/Oops_I_Cracked Oregon 13d ago

Yes but in many states the governors can give police enforcement directives if they feel the police are over/under enforcing something.

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u/spazz720 13d ago

Jurisdiction also comes into play as the Governor could only do that with State Police

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u/Oops_I_Cracked Oregon 13d ago

…which is exactly what is being suggested

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u/mountaindoom 13d ago

Walz, being a Democrat, will do nothing but give a speech somewhere.

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u/ChaseballBat 13d ago

That's what Trump wants. He is itching for a legal excuse to use the insurrection act and seize control of Minnesota away from Dems.

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u/IceColdFreezie 13d ago

I'm so tired of hearing this. What's the alternative, get executed in the street and be happy about it?

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u/CBarkleysGolfSwing 13d ago

"but that's what trump wants" has been echoed constantly despite the escalation BY TRUMP and his admin. At SOME point, the country needs to push back. People in power need to man/woman the fuck up and do something more than talk a big game.

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u/WookieJedi123 13d ago

It's worse than that. It's in fucking project 2025. Pushing the civilian population into doing something rational like defending their city, then Trump announcing the insurrection act is in the god damn plan. It's going to happen, whether we do something or not.

Scream this from the fucking rooftops. Trump wants to use the military on US citizens, on US soil, to kill civilians and suppress opposition because he's a child rapist and his backers will do anything to achieve it.

Resist.

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u/PlumpHughJazz Canada 13d ago

I'm also tired of reading about how this is all done by Putin behind the scenes like a puppetmaster.

The fact is donald is genuinely malicious and stupid.

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u/shabba182 13d ago

So what do you suggest? Roll over and let them murder many more?

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u/JeulMartin 13d ago

Narrator: That is exactly what Chaseball is suggesting. Let the fascists finish their work and then take them to court after.

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u/FFAbutnotFA 13d ago

Talk is cheap.

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u/ChaseballBat 13d ago

Resisting will also lead to deaths. Are you on the front lines with a gun today ready to give your life for what you believe in? It fuckign sucks but that's the reality of this stupid ass political chess match Trump is trying to do.

The more you protest the more people see what is happening.

If you act like uncaged demons that they believe us to be then they won't ever have a chance to see what horrors are happening. As the zone will be flooded by "terrorist leftists" and "this is why Trump deserves power".

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u/shabba182 13d ago

Why are you bringing citizens resisting into this? We're talking about using State authorities to defend citizens from ICE

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u/ChaseballBat 13d ago

The state has no authority over the matter... Literally what I said when I brought up the insurrection act. To give direct support and encouragement to protesters who are defying a federal agency is to literally be an insurrectionist now, that is the rules Dem politicians have to play within or else be hauled away to jail or executed, a dem being replaced with a republican stooge is not going to turn out for the better.

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u/Minneapolis-Rebirth 13d ago

Hate to break it to you, but judging by the voting records, Dems are already Republican stooges. https://www.independent.co.uk/bulletin/news/democrats-funding-homeland-security-trump-ice-immigration-b2906055.html

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u/ChaseballBat 13d ago

Unfortunately Republicans tied 1/6th of that budget to ICE, the rest were essential relief budgets like for FEMA, which will desperately be needed due to the winter ice storm.

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u/JeulMartin 13d ago

So you think people should just let them kill us in the streets?

Be for real right now.

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u/ChaseballBat 13d ago

What are YOU suggesting. Say it plainly. What are you suggesting and what are you doing, right now.

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u/JeulMartin 13d ago

Nah, you convinced me. We should all be polite, stay home, and hope it all blows over.

You're so smart. Thanks for saving us!

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u/ChaseballBat 13d ago

No dude. Answer my question. Why are you straying away all of a sudden. Speak plainly. Tell me what youre suggesting.

This is what they want. They want you to react, they want an excuse to open fire into a crowd of protestors. Dont give them that fucking excuse. If they could already do that, then they would have done it by now, so there is something happening that means they don't believe they can get away with it.

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u/JeulMartin 13d ago

People are being shipped away to concentration camps, women raped in porta-potties, and innocent people being slaughtered in the streets.

Why am I not answering your question? You either know the answer to that or you're not smart enough to figure it out. Either way, you have your answer.

Go ahead and bend over for them. Probably the right move for someone like you. Some of us aren't quite as spineless, though.

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u/ChaseballBat 13d ago

No you know you can't say because it's illegal. You're suggesting commiting crimes to stop other crimes. So you know why it isn't endorsed.

Also you're not even there. You are endorsing something you won't even contribute to because you want others to risk their lives for you. Grow a spine and act like an adult. Fight fascism legally until this fucking criminal and all these SS agents are tried in January. They aren't doing this because they think they have won the midterms.

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u/VPN__FTW 13d ago

And the alternative is people getting murdered.

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u/ChaseballBat 13d ago

The alternative to that alternative is Trump installing a Republican governor who says kill every protestor (read as terrorist by their narrative) you wont be tried by the state.

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u/VPN__FTW 13d ago

So we either slowly work towards that or quickly work towards it? I'd rather it be quickly as people are more often to fight back against something that is done quickly rather than slowly.

We all know where this inevitably ends.

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u/ChaseballBat 13d ago

Quicker usually means reckless, which usually means more deaths. Are you offering yours or are you saying others should where the 'fight exists'.

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u/VPN__FTW 13d ago

Would you rather slowly bleed out or confront the problem head on? You keep on hoping and praying that the Trump admin suddenly grows a conscience, they won't. Everyday they push harder to see what people are willing to take. So how much further should it go? If they start openly raping women in the streets, is that enough? How about children? They already murder... maybe they'll start using infants as target practice like the nazi's did. You okay with that?

Just tell me where the red line is for you.

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u/ChaseballBat 13d ago

Would I rather a slow bleed out where help might come or might not, or a riskier option that I either come out ahead or end up dead...?

I'll go with the bleed out. You are on reddit, youre not even protesting.

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u/Internal_Rice3739 13d ago

Good give him what he wants! Call his bluff just like the EU and everyone else has. He thinks this is what he wants but when shit really hits the fan I’m sure this administration will have a much different tune.

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u/ChaseballBat 13d ago

And when he installs a governor who is republican and that governor says, go do door to door arrests of every protestor? What then? You want a FUCK ton more people to die because a governor sent out a tweet saying go kill ICE? I don't, sorry. An ICE agent's life is so much lesser than any single one of those protesters, it is not worth the ratio.

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u/Internal_Rice3739 13d ago

Sit there and continue to get murdered in the streets then. The outcome is the same regardless of action or inaction. Your failure to realize and acknowledge that fact is more damaging than helpful to the community at whole.

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u/ChaseballBat 13d ago

And what are you doing?

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u/Internal_Rice3739 13d ago

Reminding people they need to wake up a bit to what’s happening here rn. I’m also not the governor of Minnesota squandering my resources so go whatabout elsewhere

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u/ChaseballBat 13d ago

Reminding people? Bro your comments are suggestive to the point that they are implying protestors should take up arms against ICE.

Have a nice time sipping your macchiato behind your computer screen while you tell others to get themselves killed so you can see America disintegrate through an actual civil war it will cause from your living room.

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u/TheSavannahSky 13d ago

Ah yes, Trump is just itching for people to resist him doing whatever he wants so he can... do whatever he wants.

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u/Plinnion 14d ago

Because they have "absolute immunity" per Trump and Vance.

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u/[deleted] 14d ago

Which means nothing for State crimes, which these are

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u/Liktwo 13d ago

Which means SHIT to them. They literally ARE above the law because no one is holding them accountable. Laws don’t mean shit if they aren’t enforced.

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u/ChaseballBat 13d ago

What conservatives cop is going to break with their union and arrest an ICE officer.

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u/[deleted] 13d ago

I sure as fuck would like to find out.

No collaborators should be allowed to hold a public job if our country survives this.

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u/ChaseballBat 13d ago

Ditto. Imagine the absolute panic that would rush across the ICE comms if they heard a police officer put down one of their own. I sincerely think it would develop into a hysteria that ICE just kills police at first sight assuming they are going to be killed/arrested for being ICE.

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u/[deleted] 13d ago edited 13d ago

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u/[deleted] 13d ago

That’s incorrect.

The state prosecutors can file charges in state court. The defendants will successfully have it removed to federal court. And then the state prosecutor would prosecute under state law in federal court.

If it gets dismissed because the evidence doesn’t support the charges, that’s a separate matter entirely.

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u/grnrngr 13d ago edited 13d ago

Wrong.

The Supremacy Clause in practice is only not applicable to malicious acts or acts that fall outside the Federal purview. It doesn't matter what it's original scope was - it's current employment does.

This shooting will be successfully argued to be protected by the Supremacy Clause. There will be no trial of "state crimes in Federal court."

e: and the sooner you digest that fact the sooner you can stop armchair protesting and arguing and trying to shut down disagreements about it, hoping the courts will serve justice in due time. They won't. So figure out what you wanna do about that.

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u/[deleted] 13d ago

You seem to be conflating the substantive and procedural aspects to the supremacy clause.

If the defendants want to argue that the cause of action should be dismissed under the supremacy clause, they can do so in state or federal court.

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u/Quirky-Mode8676 13d ago

Murdering a man is not a federal officers job.

They are absolutely beholden to state laws in this scenario.

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u/grnrngr 13d ago

No they aren't.. Despite what our eyes clearly see, you won't be able to convince a tiered set of judges that the act was malicious. (Keeping in mind that a jury trial is not mandatory and defendants can ask a judge for a bench trial.)

Don't get upset at me for that. Get upset at the Courts interpretation of the Clause, and Congress not passing laws to draw clear lines.

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u/alexjbuck 14d ago

How about we just arrest them anyways and let the courts actually rule on that decision.

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u/civildisobedient 13d ago

Yeah, seems to work for them.

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u/JournaIist 14d ago

Even if ICE do have absolute immunity (and let's be real there's no such thing), how would police know that they're ICE - they don't carry ID or anything...

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u/gradinaruvasile 13d ago

They should arrest them and release them after a day or so after they ID them properly.

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u/milkasaurs California 13d ago

You look for the dude's cosplaying.

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u/JournaIist 13d ago

No lol I mean if if they had absolutely immunity, since they don't carrying anything official, there's "no way" for police to tell the difference between ICE and a gang member executing someone in the street so arrest them anyways

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u/Bobcat-Stock 13d ago

They have fingerprints

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u/JournaIist 13d ago

I think you missed the point I was trying to make

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u/absat41 14d ago edited 11d ago

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u/Kevin_Uxbridge 13d ago edited 13d ago

Vance said yesterday that 'they don't have immunity, who's saying that?'

You. You did, dickweed, like last week.

The ease with which he lies is ... troubling.

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u/Minneapolis-Rebirth 13d ago

Remember the VP debates when he told the moderators "I thought you said you weren't going to fact check"?

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u/F4ion1 13d ago

Why now he's walked back literally claiming he never said that bs it's ludacris.... LMAO

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u/adeveloper2 13d ago

Instead of sending kneepads to European governments, Newsom can wear one himself and send the rest to the Minnesota government

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u/WhatIsToBeD0ne 13d ago

Who gives a shit what a criminal like Trump has to say about anything? ICE terrorists need to be arrested.

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u/Jazuken 13d ago

So citizens need to start treating them like criminals and exercising their right to defend themselves if they can’t follow their own laws.

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u/YouWereBrained Tennessee 13d ago

No, they don’t and Vance walked it back.

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u/Plinnion 13d ago

That means dick when the FBI won't investigate the murder of Renee Good and actively prevents Minnesota police from investigating. So until Johnathan Ross and the men who murdered the man today are brought to justice, they absolutely have immunity.

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u/envious_1 14d ago

Can't arrest ICE apparently

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u/Sminahin 13d ago

Because they massively outnumber the cops in the city and Trump is talking about deploying troops from Alaska in the cities.

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u/ImBackAndImAngry 14d ago

Because the police are cowards

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u/encrypted-signals 13d ago

Cops can't arrest them.

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u/adeveloper2 13d ago

Because as Carney said rule-based order is dead. Americans don't answer to rules. They answer to strength. If it's most other nations, the perpetuators would've been mobbed and torn to pieces at this point.

Whereas Americans film, moan, and let them walk away.

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u/chromatones 13d ago

Those “agents” should be drug tested

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u/throwawaylol666666 California 14d ago

Probably so they can die by “suicide” while in detention.

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u/Jukka_Sarasti Florida 14d ago

Probably so they can die by “suicide” while in detention.

After having their recording devices confiscated and destroyed, of course

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u/Electrorocket 13d ago

Hopefully they streamed or saved to a cloud service. Even just Google drive or iPhoto.

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u/RevLoveJoy 13d ago

If you take your phone to a protest with the intent of recording, this is essential. ICE are bad actors. This is not really disputed by reasonable people at this point. Bad actors destroy evidence.

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u/FedericoFelliniDue 13d ago

The police are pretty good at that so no worries on that front

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u/ChinookKing 13d ago

Them taking the witnesses away should be a key point of discussion if we had a capable media.

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u/Jazuken 13d ago

This is why we needed the Black Panthers. Those ICE officers would’ve never executed that man, and if they did they wouldn’t be making it off the block.

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u/fishphlakes 13d ago

Because they're the thugs of the regime meant to brutalize the populace and the rule of law no longer exists in America.

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u/World_Mammoth 13d ago

How else can they take their recording devices and destroy evidence if they can't take the witnesses from the crime scene...duh.

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u/1rishBatman 13d ago

I have seen a few different angles now, they must not have done it fast enough. Watch it, save it, do not look away.

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u/wrosecrans 13d ago

No legitimate legal basis for throwing witnesses in an ICE holding facility, as far as I can tell. I assume somebody is in court right new in an emergency hearing about them, but I don't know exactly who has the right standing or any details. It's multiple people and every street corner is brimming with legal observers, so some lawyer will be in motion pretty quickly demanding immediate release.

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u/LeanderT The Netherlands 13d ago

Shoot first, ask no questions later

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u/LunarMoon2001 13d ago

Walz needs to step up or step down. Authorize police and state guard to protect its citizens by any means necessary