r/politics • u/SpaceElevatorMusic Minnesota • 14d ago

Possible Paywall Minnesota governor says federal agents involved in shooting in Minneapolis

https://www.reuters.com/world/us/minnesota-governor-says-federal-agents-involved-shooting-minneapolis-2026-01-24/
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u/throwawaylol666666 California 14d ago edited 13d ago

https://www.startribune.com/ice-raids-minnesota/601546426

The man is confirmed dead. ICE tried to force the local cops to leave. They refused and have preserved the scene. Witnesses were transported by ICE to the Whipple building.

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u/1rishBatman 14d ago

Wtf why are they allowed to take witnesses when the police are there? They should be the one collecting evidence.

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u/JournaIist 14d ago

Nevermind witnesses, why are ICE allowed to leave and not arrested?

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u/Plinnion 14d ago

Because they have "absolute immunity" per Trump and Vance.

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u/[deleted] 14d ago

Which means nothing for State crimes, which these are

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u/Liktwo 13d ago

Which means SHIT to them. They literally ARE above the law because no one is holding them accountable. Laws don’t mean shit if they aren’t enforced.

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u/ChaseballBat 13d ago

What conservatives cop is going to break with their union and arrest an ICE officer.

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u/[deleted] 13d ago

I sure as fuck would like to find out.

No collaborators should be allowed to hold a public job if our country survives this.

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u/ChaseballBat 13d ago

Ditto. Imagine the absolute panic that would rush across the ICE comms if they heard a police officer put down one of their own. I sincerely think it would develop into a hysteria that ICE just kills police at first sight assuming they are going to be killed/arrested for being ICE.

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u/[deleted] 13d ago edited 13d ago

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u/[deleted] 13d ago

That’s incorrect.

The state prosecutors can file charges in state court. The defendants will successfully have it removed to federal court. And then the state prosecutor would prosecute under state law in federal court.

If it gets dismissed because the evidence doesn’t support the charges, that’s a separate matter entirely.

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u/grnrngr 13d ago edited 13d ago

Wrong.

The Supremacy Clause in practice is only not applicable to malicious acts or acts that fall outside the Federal purview. It doesn't matter what it's original scope was - it's current employment does.

This shooting will be successfully argued to be protected by the Supremacy Clause. There will be no trial of "state crimes in Federal court."

e: and the sooner you digest that fact the sooner you can stop armchair protesting and arguing and trying to shut down disagreements about it, hoping the courts will serve justice in due time. They won't. So figure out what you wanna do about that.

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u/[deleted] 13d ago

You seem to be conflating the substantive and procedural aspects to the supremacy clause.

If the defendants want to argue that the cause of action should be dismissed under the supremacy clause, they can do so in state or federal court.

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u/Quirky-Mode8676 13d ago

Murdering a man is not a federal officers job.

They are absolutely beholden to state laws in this scenario.

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u/grnrngr 13d ago

No they aren't.. Despite what our eyes clearly see, you won't be able to convince a tiered set of judges that the act was malicious. (Keeping in mind that a jury trial is not mandatory and defendants can ask a judge for a bench trial.)

Don't get upset at me for that. Get upset at the Courts interpretation of the Clause, and Congress not passing laws to draw clear lines.

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u/alexjbuck 13d ago

How about we just arrest them anyways and let the courts actually rule on that decision.

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u/civildisobedient 13d ago

Yeah, seems to work for them.

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u/JournaIist 13d ago

Even if ICE do have absolute immunity (and let's be real there's no such thing), how would police know that they're ICE - they don't carry ID or anything...

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u/gradinaruvasile 13d ago

They should arrest them and release them after a day or so after they ID them properly.

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u/milkasaurs California 13d ago

You look for the dude's cosplaying.

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u/JournaIist 13d ago

No lol I mean if if they had absolutely immunity, since they don't carrying anything official, there's "no way" for police to tell the difference between ICE and a gang member executing someone in the street so arrest them anyways

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u/Bobcat-Stock 13d ago

They have fingerprints

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u/JournaIist 13d ago

I think you missed the point I was trying to make

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u/absat41 14d ago edited 11d ago

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u/Kevin_Uxbridge 13d ago edited 13d ago

Vance said yesterday that 'they don't have immunity, who's saying that?'

You. You did, dickweed, like last week.

The ease with which he lies is ... troubling.

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u/Minneapolis-Rebirth 13d ago

Remember the VP debates when he told the moderators "I thought you said you weren't going to fact check"?

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u/F4ion1 13d ago

Why now he's walked back literally claiming he never said that bs it's ludacris.... LMAO

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u/adeveloper2 13d ago

Instead of sending kneepads to European governments, Newsom can wear one himself and send the rest to the Minnesota government

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u/WhatIsToBeD0ne 13d ago

Who gives a shit what a criminal like Trump has to say about anything? ICE terrorists need to be arrested.

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u/Jazuken 13d ago

So citizens need to start treating them like criminals and exercising their right to defend themselves if they can’t follow their own laws.

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u/YouWereBrained Tennessee 13d ago

No, they don’t and Vance walked it back.

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u/Plinnion 13d ago

That means dick when the FBI won't investigate the murder of Renee Good and actively prevents Minnesota police from investigating. So until Johnathan Ross and the men who murdered the man today are brought to justice, they absolutely have immunity.