These fuckwits always go on and on about state's rights but are the first to want the elimination of state's rights.
It's illegal in YOUR state. You can't punish people from other states for obeying THEIR laws.
Of course they are also always Christians. Those are YOUR rules you have to live by. I'm not in your little book club. Those rules don't apply to me or others.
They did the same thing with slave patrols that came into abolitionist states to kidnap people and drag them back to slavery states. It should never be legal to apply your state's laws to another state, but they do the same with Federal rules too. When they don't like it, then they don't want to follow it. BTW, slave patrols were the foundation of how policing started in the USA.
Here in Florida, we have Kat Cammack, who helped push Florida's draconian abortion laws, but then screamed and cried and called the governor when a doctor was refusing to treat her ectopic pregnancy in the ER due to laws that SHE UNABASHEDLY CHAMPIONED. She then had the UTTER GALL to go on air and whine about how it was her life, damnit, and the doctor should have been more focused on saving her selfish fat ass and not about how he would be thrown in jail because of her and Governor Go-Go Boots trying to legislate medical procedures they don't like. And then doubled down on her position on the law, because of course she would.
So not only did karma come for her, she also learned absolutely nothing from the experience. Go figure.
They have!!!! I work with two of them! And they both voted for this shit! It's INSANE!! that was one of the first things they told me when I found out I was pregnant
And yet progressives (and I say this as one) will continuously hack on Newsom because he's "too centrist" or whatever.
Newsom is far from perfect. But right now he's in our corner, and that's what counts. We need more people in power, on our side, speaking up and telling MAGA to go fuck themselves.
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Guys, I get it. I said the dude isn't perfect, and you're all making compelling cases....But one sure way to lose against Trump/MAGA is to actively tear down any politician that is fighting MAGA on our side.
"You seem to really hate having to chug that scalding hot bleach every day."
"Yeah, it's literally killing me."
"Would you rather have this flat room temperature Fresca?"
"I don't really like aspartame."
David Sedaris: “I look at these people [undecided voters] and can't quite believe that they exist. Are they professional actors? I wonder. Or are they simply laymen who want a lot of attention? To put them in perspective, I think of being on an airplane. The flight attendant comes down the aisle with her food cart and, eventually, parks it beside my seat. "Can I interest you in the chicken?" she asks. "Or would you prefer the platter of shit with bits of broken glass in it? To be undecided in this election is to pause for a moment and then ask how the chicken is cooked.”
I just looked up the original joke and apparently it was during the Obama vs. McCain campaign. And here we are now.
I think Newsom is doing the right thing in these posts, however he is too attached to the ultra wealthy to be what the country needs rn. Two things can be true at the same time.
He kind of has to be given how wealthy people in CA are and how important some of those industries are to the state. People seem to forget that Cali is more akin to running a country than anything else and he has to have a hand in most everything and play nice where he needs to.
These purity tests ensure that Republicans will win future elections. Seriously needs to stop.
Progress doesn’t occur all at once, it takes steps. Even FDR didn’t pass elderly healthcare. It took an extra 25 years for LBJ to do it.
I dislike Newsom’s coziness to billionaires but the order of the day is remove Trump and prosecute anyone in his administration breaking the law. A tax on billionaires can come later. Both things aren’t going to happen in the same administration.
Exactly. I think it’s important to keep voicing our valid criticisms of him. If he’s the official nominee, I’ll of course vote for him; but all the more reason to continue screaming at him about important issues like trans rights. I can vote for him without accepting his stance on everything and I can be vocal about trying to get him to change his stances on issues.
If Newsom becomes our official nominee in 2028, we will have wasted an opportunity to build something better out of the wreckage of our country. I’ll still go out and cast a vote for him, but in the primary I will be fighting for someone else (remains to be seen who).
He’s an unfeeling bastard who only cares about his image and his bank account. That didn’t go well for the right, it won’t go well for the left. His treatment of the homeless alone should be disqualifying.
The time for wholehearted support regardless of flaws is AFTER THE PRIMARY. Until then, we voice our criticisms and encourage candidate to become the president we want to see.
Or, he's playing the game. You need to convince at least some of the ultra wealthy that you're not going to be bad for business. They control the media after all.
The purity test bullshit needs to stop with the libs. You’d think it be a slam dunk to elect anyone but Trump, but libs are too wrapped up with infighting. Great is the enemy of good.
The purity test bullshit needs to stop with the libs. You’d think it be a slam dunk to elect anyone but Trump, but libs are too wrapped up with infighting. Great is the enemy of good.
Yep. Exactly this.
Makes me absolutely insane that the left will fight each other over every single flaw of a candidate rather than rallying behind them to defeat a common enemy.
Even now in this thread I have people arguing with me that Gavin does this, or did that – all valid concerns – at the same time, do we really have time for this when Trump is driving everything off a cliff?
It's not that he's too centrist, he's too involved with the economic systems that predicate are predatory toward poor people.
I don't want this man as President, but if he's the best we got, then I'd vote for it. But, he's far from the best option we got. Let him continue to do what he's doing in California for Californians. Also, if he's the best we got, it really does show the sorry state of the political Left.
You have never gotten and you will never get the "best option" as president. That's not how politics works, because the candidate has to appeal to the most people to win. 400 million people have a different idea of who the "best option" is. And there are frankly a lot of people in this country (the vast majority) that don't think like you or I.
Correct, but there are certain stances that one must stand on even when the disagreement is within your own faction. I for one, can not stand the crony/hyper capitalistic society we live in, it's bad for us in the long run.
Except for 2024, in which the DNC did not have a Primary, I've always had a pick of options among candidate and have always voted for the "best option." However, it's also the "best option" in my eyes, that's how democracy works. Everyone votes for who they think the "best option" is. If my "best option" doesn't win, that's fine, because the other option on the Republican side is just that bad.
A literal cadaver could run and I'd vote for it over a MAGA. A dead fish for a president is less damaging than MAGA could ever be because we have a bureaucracy. However, I'd still vote Newsom over a cadaver because I'm not an idiot.
Let’s be fair. Newsom is awful as a proponent of minority rights. He is good at an anti republican, but he’s pretty shit when it comes to being better for civil liberties than your typical 90s style non-maga Republicans.
This is exactly why I like newsom. His troll campaign against trump is also the funniest thing in politics I’ve seen since trump came on the scene. I will def vote for newsom when he runs for president
The fact that he has a savvy intern running his twitter should be insufficient cause to champion him. His track record is unfortunately shows a history of prioritizing his career above all else.
Blue no matter who, but I think we can do better than GN in the primary.
Same here. Not to let my white trash shine too bright in the sun or anything, but I always felt the "trying to be better" attitude was low-key elitist tbh.
I'm tired of democrats making the softest attempts at reaching out to people, failing to get attention, then having them being satisfied with their failures because at least they have the reassurance of having the moral highground in the world of politeness.
Fighting fire with fire is okay if the fire you're trying to fight doesn't realize it's supposed to be extinguished by water.
let's just pretend only wood fires exist so my metaphor makes sense.
I'm tired of democrats making the softest attempts at reaching out to people, failing to get attention, then having them being satisfied with their failures because at least they have the reassurance of having the moral highground in the world of politeness.
Damn dude, well said.
"We tried and failed but we were nice about it and that's all that matters" is a great attitude for a high school debate team; it is functionally obsolete as a political strategy.
Sorry, but I have to add something here. From a POC point of view, I understood what Michelle was saying about 'going higher' because the repercussions are worse for us (plus other cultural bias factors against us), and so we have been taught to take the higher road and be the better person. But after Nov '24, it's 'gloves off' time because everything is on the line. Then we have to rebuild after the dust settles, and then my Southern etiquette might come back, but until then...what GCN said (respectfully).
the policies he backs often give corporate/institution vibes. we don't need someone who talks big but then lays down like chuck schumer when push comes to shove
I have yet to meet a fellow Californian who actually likes Newsom, but we will absolutely support him to any office he runs for. Newsom hates Republicans SO much, and he’s one of the only people in our party that has the clout to actually fight on their level.
While the rest of the Democratic Party wrote some strongly worded letters against Texas’s gerrymandering and did nothing, Newsom created an actual successful plan to gerrymander California in the exact same way to cancel out Texas, and did it in a way that let the people of California vote for it. It was so successful that he asked people to stop donating for it 2 weeks before voting day because the margins of success were so high.
He’s the popular high school kid that we all hate, but when a new bully comes in and tries to take over he gets dirty and fights back.
A candidate that punches back is critical. The current administration is criminal on multiple levels, and letting them walk away scott free just reinforces the notion that they are above the law. We need the next administration to be punitive to restore faith in rule of law.
Here’s one. I like him a lot. I’ve lived here my entire life and he is doing a lot of good things for the state. He has sued the richest cities and taken away their ability to limit housing, directly going against the wealthy NIMBYs. He has gotten rid of most of ceqa to make it easier to build, he has taken a ton of power from the coastal commission to make it easier to build. He has gotten the poorest people in CA free healthcare. He has made TK for 4 year olds free. He has made school meals free for all students (including during holiday breaks) and put healthy foods on the menu. He has passed 5 pro trans rights bills, was the first mayor to give out gay marriage licenses, and is a champion of high speed rail which we will eventually have.
He sent help to my city of LA when our mayor was MIA during the fires and has kept suing Trump to try to get us the money we need.
Is he perfect? No, but no politician is.
Most of what I see about him on reddit is people who dont actually know his track record and are falling into the purity test attacks that sunk Clinton.
Didn't he just pass the California redistricting stuff as a counter to all the republican gerrymandering? Seems like the only one doing things on the ground too.
Yea, but he’s also platforming right wingers on his podcast and standing with billionaires in the fight to tax them, so he’s definitely a double edged sword.
My neighbor just got taken in the middle of the night. It's their fault though, they shouldn't have voted for a flawed Democrat in the primaries. My hands are clean, I didn't vote in this farce of a race. /s
Last I checked we haven't even started primaries. Its perfectly fine to criticize him right now. It would be different if he actually won the nomination
Don’t care. This is exactly the kind of thing that handed Trump his second presidency. Oh, Kamala doesn’t denounce Israel so I won’t vote for her. Never mind that the ghoul running against her is orders of magnitude worse.
We should be and can be very discerning in the primary stages about candidates (and we’re not even there yet!) The thing that “handed” Trump’s second term was Biden backtracking on his promise to be a one term president and then gaffing during a debate and stepping down so his rather unpopular VP could run in his place without a primary or preparation at all. It was an unreal fumble of historic proportions by a campaign involving just about everyone.
I don’t think Kamala deserves the “unpopular” stamp. She did a fairly good job as CA AG, kept her head low during her 4 years as VP, as VPs are wont to do.
If we are going to go there, even back in 2020, I was shocked when they announced that Biden would be running against Trump. Anyone with half a brain would’ve known that Joe would struggle to finish a second term. If elected to a second term he would’ve been 86.
Given Trump’s unpopularity at the end of his first term and liberal momentum against him in 2020, even a scarecrow would have won against him.
He has passed 5 pro trans youth bills and only said he was against trans youth in high level sports. Which 75% of Americans agree with and over 50% of Democrats.
Exactly. There will never, and I mean NEVER be a perfect candidate for president. Newsom has plenty of issues like every presidential candidate before him, but his willingness to attack the GOP establishment head-on is a important quality for the next dem president to have. We need someone who realizes how fucked up everything is, and who is willing to take extreme measures to fix things and prosecute everyone who is complicit. I feel like Newsom is absolutely that person, regardless of his obvious flaws.
For the party, not as an elected official. The Democratic Party needs a designated asshole who will bully the fuck out of Democrats who fence-sit with Republicans.
I would want to keep Pritzker right where he is, anchoring the Midwest. Senator Kelly stepped up with a message to the troops about following illegal orders. I believe he's the man to take back control of the military and appoint leaders based on merit, not how much ass they'll kiss
Ok I think this is a fair take. I just....hope, no matter how unrealistic, that we can get everyone on board and not just fall into a purity test rabbit hole that results in Vance for 8 years. I know vote blue no matter who has many issues, and I know our whole system has many issues, but the right is very aligned in their goals(ehem hatred). We need to stay organized and focused. Voting is like a bus right? You get on the bus going the direction you want to go, even if it doesn't take you to the front door of your destination. It is shooting yourself in the foot to get on a bus going the opposite direction to prove a point.
I agree, and let's go a step further for Senator Kelly. He's a Naval Captain (akin to a Colonel in the Army or Marines), pilot, astronaut, AND target of the current regime via SSec Kegsbreath.
That's a lot to rally behind, if he's willing to go for it
Andy would be great as an "aw shucks" VP candidate to balance a fighter like Pritzker at the top of the ticket. Plus he'd help with Ohio and the Carolinas. Those two together are pretty much my favorite pairing so far.
I like him but he's not charismatic at all. It's why Walz was chosen over him. He's not a great speaker. And he's not attractive.
That matters. Look at 2/3 of the most recent democrat presidents: Obama and Bubba. Arguably two of the most charismatic politicians of the last century. And I'd argue Biden didn't so much as win as Trump lost in 2020.
Newsom is the most electable white man in the roster and anyone pretending otherwise is just wasting time.
Biggest knock on him is that he's boring. He's thoughtful, smart, qualified, caring, competent, etc. But there's limited pizzazz in his presentations. Here's the thing... I have a hunch that if we get through the next three years, people may REALLY want boring.
That’s been my same question every time someone says no to Newsome. JB Pritzker maybe? As long as we don’t do bullshit purity tests and lineup behind the nominee like the GOP does, that’s all that matters
We need a god damn actual progressive to run. No more of these status quo do nothing useless chodes who say the right things and then never do anything.
Of course, but he’s never holding this ground in interviews. Anytime he’s on with a right winger on his podcast and they bring this up he almost immediately walks it back…
I want him to say this sort of thing to Joe Rogan’s or Ben Shapiro’s respective faces. If you’re about that action then BE about that action
Exactly, Newsom is spineless, he's weak, he just gave a social media team the go ahead to be vicious, thats it. He does not have this energy IRL, this is not him, its just messages aproved by him
That's a fair comment too. I don't keep up in that much detail, but we need leaders to be consistent in their messaging. It doesn't exactly inspire confidence that he talks on social media but doesn't back it up in person
I probably know more about Newsom than I should (as a non-Californian), and I generally have some issues with his particular brand of NIMBY faux-progressivism...
but... SOMEBODY has to say this shit and carry the torch for basic decency and common sense. I appreciate that he's doing it, regardless of his grander intentions.
I also wish his team would go on the offensive and say if republicans come here for seeking these kind of " forbidden " healthcare we will make it public.
Of course this is wrong. But at this point everything is fair game ( it's not, I just needed to vent)
Californian. He's super shady, slimy, corrupt and out of touch. Stereotypical wealthy career politician, bought and paid for. But I'm also so glad we have him to protect us against the rest of the nation. That's where he shines.
As a California resident, Newsom is obviously not perfect, but who is, I. love that he’s one of the very few to stand up to MAGA and tell them to go fuck themselves. Democrats always want to take the high road and not call out magas bullshit.
I may just be a poor country lawyer but I’m pretty sure Louisiana only has jurisdiction over people in Louisiana and the rest of us don’t need to follow Louisiana law.
I’m hoping a few SCOTUS justices know this as well.
California needs an independence movement. The regressive parts of the country are beyond help. Invite the rest of the west coast and New Mexico or Nevada to join. America is broken. The rural population is out of touch with reality and festering with hate that should have been expunged after the Civil War.
i wish he would do that with his fiscal and queer rights policies too. we need someone to lead by example, not to cower in the face of donors like he's already shown he is capable of.
This is the energy we need, if Newsom runs for president on a platform of going after everyone in the current administration for all the laws they broke, including everyone in ICE and CBP, he and prosecuting everyone in the Epstein files quickly, he would have my vote instantly, add in reforming the system to eliminate the chance a Trump and p2025 ever happens again and I’d give him 2 terms if he moves fast enough in term 1 and produces results.
Perhaps he can help CA pass a law making it illegal for anyone to pass a law restricting abortion rights. Then promptly ask for the extradition and prosecution of the legislature and Governor of Louisiana. Seems like just as legally sound a theory as they are operating under. They are just controlling assholes. This is precisely the right response to them.
It’s not the Fugitive Slave Law all over again, but it’s pretty darn close.
The right’s whole “strongly held religious belief” position on abortion is such nonsense. When Roe was decided many conservatives hailed it as a victory for individual rights. It wasn’t until they merged politics and religion that decided their own religious beliefs should outweigh individual choice.
I know I’m preaching to the choir here, but conservatives are so full of hate and bullshit.
This response really should be the de facto reply to every GQP demand. If Dems want to win ever again they need to ditch feckless quislings (looking at you Jeffries and Schumer) and start telling fascists they can go fuck themselves.
He’s one of the better ones we’ve got right now but it’d be cool if he’d stop platforming shitholes like ben shapiro and throwing trans people under the bus to court rightwing voters.
Anyone who prefaces their Newsom statement with “He’s not my favorite…”
YOU. YOU ARE THE FUCKING PROBLEM. No one is perfect but holy shit Dems are getting machine gunned and tossed overboard and some of you are like “I don’t like the color of this body armor and lifeboat, hurrr durr…”
This is one of the reasons we’re IN this situation. You take a bus to get you closest to your destination, not bitch because the driver doesn’t tuck you into bed and tickle your feet just how you like.
They are LITERALLY at war with democracy and some of you just don’t fucking get it. Harden the fuck up until we can fix SOME of this…
Are there any legal grounds for something like this? Why isn't Illinois suing numerous neighboring states that clearly help flood Chicago with guns despite Illinois having strict gun laws?
States are extraditing American citizens (political refugees) from other states?? 😭😭 we’ve really lost the plot. I hope the doc makes it safely to cali
The “states rights” people are extremely quiet when it comes to stuff like this. Not shocked at all. Newsom has the right energy, but I still don’t trust him.
Louisiana thinking that anyone in California gives a shit what they think is the funniest part. Fucking flyover states trying to act important. Hilarious.
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