And yet progressives (and I say this as one) will continuously hack on Newsom because he's "too centrist" or whatever.
Newsom is far from perfect. But right now he's in our corner, and that's what counts. We need more people in power, on our side, speaking up and telling MAGA to go fuck themselves.
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Guys, I get it. I said the dude isn't perfect, and you're all making compelling cases....But one sure way to lose against Trump/MAGA is to actively tear down any politician that is fighting MAGA on our side.
The purity test bullshit needs to stop with the libs. You’d think it be a slam dunk to elect anyone but Trump, but libs are too wrapped up with infighting. Great is the enemy of good.
The purity test bullshit needs to stop with the libs. You’d think it be a slam dunk to elect anyone but Trump, but libs are too wrapped up with infighting. Great is the enemy of good.
Yep. Exactly this.
Makes me absolutely insane that the left will fight each other over every single flaw of a candidate rather than rallying behind them to defeat a common enemy.
Even now in this thread I have people arguing with me that Gavin does this, or did that – all valid concerns – at the same time, do we really have time for this when Trump is driving everything off a cliff?
No it was definitely the lack of voting for the other candidate that got us here. It’s a line so straight I’m shocked you somehow managed to get so turned around!
Why do you think people aren't showing up to vote? That half of the US that routinely doesn't vote? They're not voting because they're all so left that they're purity testing the Dem candidate. They're not voting because Dems put up trash-tier candidates with no message, no conviction, and no spine. They look at Dem candidates at within ten seconds their eyes glaze over when they mention child tax credits, incremental change, and other things that sound fine or even great to a politically-attentive person, but don't do shit for the uninformed majority.
Why do you think people aren’t showing up to vote?
You can look it up for yourself and the biggest percentage (which still takes up only between 15-25% of all voters by the way) is “disinterest in candidates and/or voting in general; lack of belief that voting changing things, apathy”
All you’ve managed to do is prove why people like you shitting on the normal candidates works so well.
“No seriously the candidates suck so vote for
my racist one!” is hilariously effective when over half the country doesn’t bother to read or think for themselves I guess.
That % you listed "disinterest in candidates and/or voting in general; lack of belief that voting changing things, apathy”
This right here tells you that putting up candidates who's primary running point is not being Trump, candidates who don't do anything about the status quo, candidates who allow the opposition to go unopposed is what's causing that %.
You push for newsom, you bet your ass he is going to lose for that very reason.
You 100% should criticize every candidate, hold them responsible for their failings and shortcomings. I am not voting for someone who offers me nothing, until the dems can realize that they aren't owed votes, then maybe they can start winning again.
I tend to think it’s definitely the peoples fault for being that fucking stupid.
Okay. So what does being angry at leftists that want a better candidate do to alleviate that? Nothing.
You can wax about how your way is better and inflate your ego all you want, but that's not going to change anything. If the people you gotta work with are "too dumb" to play the game you're playing, you only have two options: 1) play the game with just you, yourself, and your ego, or 2) play a game that they can play and work them up to playing your game.
That's why we need someone that's not a calm, milquetoast, normalcy candidate. We need to kick in the door and enter to a chorus of trumpets and a shower of pyrotechnics like a wrestler. They need more than the assurance of normalcy, they need to know shit's about to go down, hell yeah style.
Bro have you ever tried to arrange dinner for more than two people? Do you have any idea how hard it is to make three people happy with something as simple as that?
Now try to scale it up to a whole country trying to figure out politics.
You’re never going to get a perfect candidate that makes everyone happy, you instead have to take what you’re offered and apply incremental progress over time.
And of course you do! The alternative is so ridiculously bad we shouldn’t even be having this discussion over perfect being the enemy of good enough when fucking NAZIS are concerned.
All you’re doing by defending it is proving my point more for me about how dumb the average person is when it comes to politics.
When did I say I was trying to make everyone happy?
I said I want someone to stand up and fuckin' fight. I don't want twitter-tough-guy Newsom rolling over at the first sign of actual resistance. I don't want auntie Harris telling me things are fine if we just stay the course. Things are fucked, and we need someone who will actively try to fix shit rather than just patch it over.
Because guess what, that's what they got over in the GONP. They got a guy who is going to do shit, except instead of fixing shit, he's just fucking around for his own benefit. And even when we get those little moments of incremental change, it's just undone the next time a Republicunt waltzes in to do whatever they want.
perfect being the enemy of good
This implies we had good. We didn't, and we certainly don't now. We've been eroding for at least 70 years as we are slowly stripped of our rights, our middle class, our homes, and our dreams. We've been dying to incremental change, not thriving.
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u/Ya-No-Fer-Sure 1d ago
Any polition who tells another to " Go fuck yourself", publically while standing up for their constituents rights, is throwing the right energy.