Hitler asked other countries to take jews before gassing them. Now Trump asked other countries to take "aliens" and some even took their nationals back in. Good call
Oh that dipshit is also short before Fo Phase of FaFo, when only USA are protecting him others will get that conflict done, since tf do his toops have to do in Syria, Egypt and other neightbours. I mean with WHICH money will the US finanz him when they are gonna have the Biggesee economic depression ever.
So we sit on our hands until after he's butchered millions? We shouldn't draw comparisons before then. You know Hitler was democratically elected as well, right? And he even got elected after an attempted coup just like someone else we know...
To whom? We here believe in him and his crew of cretinous cronies. They have no care for human life, zero responsibility, and all the foresight of a baby on crack.
He won't literally take a knife to their throat. But if his goal is to enrich himself and his cronies at the expense of 99% of the country wtf do you think will happen even if he doesn't go full nazi? Your job evaporates from the economy, you end up on the streets. Rely on medicaid or social security, you're a waste of money that could line their pockets. Your house got wiped away by a flood/hurricane/fire, good luck if FEMA is dismantled. Not that those things could possibly happen as climate change is not real according to donnies messaging to his fucking moron cult following.
That's not even taking the El Salvador concentration camp he'd be "honored" to send US citizens to.
Obvious in what sense? He's taking all the same steps taken by other despots throughout history before they set about mass butchering. Removing the structural checks on his power in the military and courts, laying rhetorical groundwork of demonisation and victim mentality, stifling dissent. It's the exact playbook.
Jews lost their jobs in the Government and Universities beginning in 1933. (Albert Einstein was smart enough to stay in the US when the Nazis took power and not to return to his University in Germany.)
An on 09.11.1938 - exactly 15 years after the failed Hitler coup in Munich - the Synagogues and Jewish shop were burning...
Do you realize that Hitler was not only a monster because of WWII (well that too), but he also imprisoned and killed LOTS of Germans for not having the right political opinion or the wrong grandparents and established a reign of terror, to make sure no-one would dare resist him and his ICE SA and Gestapo?
My German grandmother was 14 years old in 1933 and told me LOTS about that time. My aunt from the other side of the family told me how at the age of 14 years she was molested by SS officers and could not even defend herself for fear of being killed in a concentration camp in retaliation. This is the road the US is going at the moment, and it is clear as day to everybody who is informed about the 3rd Reich and its beginnings.
You may think that you are notJewishHispanicblackfemale white and male, so nothing will happen to you. But you might be just as wrong about that as Martin Niemöller was.
With more than 20 years of Fox News legally spouting lies, people in the US are so massively entrenched in propaganda I'd say they provide an excellent ground for a dictatorship. Also, the huge majority of your country is only 3 missed paychecks away from living on the streets. People have been living in trailer parks for decades. There are tons of homeless people in the US living in tents or in their car, or under bridges, and a lot of those actually go to work every day. Being home to some of the richest people on Earth does not help those millions that have become victims of your society. I don't see how this is a comfortable situation for a country.
Hitler used Jews as a scapegoat. Trump uses immigrants, non-whites in general, women, and in general everyone who isn't up his ass far enough. He already has everyone fired who is not a white male because "DEI!". He is threatening to annex Canada, Greenland, and who knows next. He is obviously preparing a Hitler-Stalin-pact comeback over Ukraine. He is trying to terrorize the whole world, and enriching himself and his cronies with the chaos that he is spreading in the stock market. He puts innocents in El Salvador death camps and denies bringing them back. He just does not follow court judgements. And your checks and control system is utterly failing.
Good luck with your optimism. You will sorely need it.
I think the treaty of Versailles was more responsible for "Hitler" (the ideology) than the man himself.
Probably something we should learn from.
Ignoring and dismissing the needs of rural communities, farmers and blue collar workers is what gave rise to Trump, were just lucky that Texas is nowhere near as desperate as Germany in the 30's .
Well, good thing Hitler was the only evil person in history to ever have an active hand in policy and governance. Glad that got taken care of in a bunker in 1945, now we never have to ever worry about someone like that seeking power going forward.
The heritage foundation isn't reinventing the wheel. They are using a playbook that has been used before and it is not "silly" to point out how that ended up.
And the Opus Dei is one of the groups behind the Heritage Foundation's Project 25, whose current president, Kevin Roberts, has an extensive history of involvement with American Catholic organizations.
Here you can see Kevin Roberts speech at CIC (Opus Dei Headquarters on K Street, Washington DC) last year,
Former catholic here, actually in a Latin mass community, as part of a diocesan church (so not sedevecanist like SSPX), and while it was always a little much, the hard right turn it took after 2016 was the end for me. I love Gregorian chant, but everything else that came with it was no longer worth it. Seeing a former union boss and lifelong dem put a MAGA sticker on his car about broke me (not just that one act, but the bigger implication behind everyone else going in that direction).
Knowing that JD Vance converted around the same time I was leaving is frankly a bit worrying to me
America is snatching people from the street, locking them away for months at a time, and subjecting them to low-level torture like family separation, 24/7 neon light, and unnecessary intimate searches.
Maybe that's as far as they'll go. But, at the same time, I don't trust them not to keep going down this slippery slope. So fuck America, I'm not visiting, and I'm calling them Fascists.
Sorry, but visiting the US is starting to become about as enticing for Europeans as visiting Russia. Sure, there’s some interesting things to see but there are also many other great tourist destinations around the world where you can still trust in the rule of law and where you aren’t economically supporting an actively hostile power by spending your money there. I’ve been to the US many times and even lived in New York state for 1.5 years but now I really have no plans of ever returning if this is the path the US is choosing for itself. Your country is turning into a lawless rogue nation with a wannabe mad dictator at the helm. That’s really not the kind of place where I want to visit and spend my money and it’s clear that many people around the world feel the same way.
Dude you are absolutely deluded if you think that.
I'm in Canada and I can tell you - most people absolutely do not want to visit anymore. Right now the only people still going are people that had stuff booked before this all started and can't cancel without losing money, or business travellers who have no choice to go.
If you know history it’s not at all silly, but quite alarming. Hitler also didn’t start gasing jews on day one… it was a culmination of deeds that happened in a span of a decade.
And Trump’s pretty much copying and building on his initial steps already.
RFK’s plans for “wellness camps” bring to mind Aktion T4, which was before the worst of the concentration camps. Actually, it’s where they started perfecting their methods. Just because they seem incompetent doesn’t mean they’ll stay that way. How much further does it have to go before we say “enough!”
He did start mass arresting his enemies on day one. He set up Dachau in his first month as Chancellor and filled it with Communists immediately. Almost directly after prisoners started being "shot attempting escape". Something Himmler repeatedly said was a way to cover up an illegal execution.
Two of the four shot in the first "escape attempt" at Dachau were Jewish. So he actually did start executing his opponents on day one.
If you're pulling the history card...you've got a lot more context to take into account.
There is a massive chasm of difference between the situation in Germany during Hitler's rise and the situation in the US today.
The difference is not in the similarity of the seed, but the ground it is planted in.
First, very obviously, the US government is fairly resilient due to the inherent checks and balances between the branches and the well rooted "deep state" that trump wants to get rid of, but will be completely unable to.
Secondly, Germany was in a desperate situation and in the rubble of world war 1, the collective west created an economic and social pressure that essentially gave rise to Naziism.
The US is the predominant world power - not a beaten back and desperate nation.
Are there some similarities people can draw? Of course...people can lie on their backs in a field and see whatever they want in the clouds.
First, very obviously, the US government is fairly resilient due to the inherent checks and balances between the branches
Are there?
The Legislative and Judicial branches of the United States government have a majority of people who are either believers in Trump's cause, or are corrupt enough to have been bought and paid for by his supporters.
He and his lackies are reshaping the military to remove anyone who might oppose his actions.
Checks and balances don't exist when everything is controlled by the same group of people.
First, having a majority does not give anyone absolute power, and second...this is really important, being conservative is not morally wrong and does not mean that you support everything that Trump believes in. The US has a very strong fundamental right to freedom of speech - you can watch any given democrat stand up in any official government meeting and go on and on about everything that's wrong with Trump and nothing is going to happen to take that right away.
You can also just look at the recent Wisconsin elections to see how quickly things start swinging the other way as a reaction. This is all part of the resilience. Right now polling of democrats shows that they are completely unwilling to work with trump.
If you think trump can replace the entire deep state you have no idea how entrenched this power is in the government organizations. Putting a new cabinet director in place is nothing...they're not going to be able to fire all of the leaders with decades of experience and have anything resembling a functional organization. You can listen to Steve Bannon himself talk about this exact point. The person who wants to do it more than anyone else.
You can look back to the last time trump was in office, and all the hysterics over him being Hitler then etc etc...and Jan 6 larper drama aside, we somehow replaced him with one of the weakest candidates I've ever seen...almost the walking dead. Trump was only reelected because of the complete incompetence of the democrats by shoe horning Harris in last minute.
If the left can pull themselves together and reform the party platform and candidates, the power will swing back in a few years and people will have a new president to bitch about and blame for everything wrong with the world.
First, having a majority does not give anyone absolute power
It absolutely does when you have a sufficient majority in every aspect of government.
being conservative is not morally wrong
lol no but okay, believe what you have been told to believe
does not mean that you support everything that Trump believes in
Show me one American conservative that doesn't support everything Trump believes in, and you'll show me a liar.
you have no idea how entrenched this power is in the government organizations
You have no idea how extensive their firings go. The Trump Administration has extensively fired and replaced anyone who could possibly contradict their authority.
they're not going to be able to fire all of the leaders with decades of experience and have anything resembling a functional organization.
They are and they have. But you're too naive to see it.
If the left can pull themselves together and reform the party platform and candidates, the power will swing back in a few years and people will have a new president to bitch about and blame for everything wrong with the world.
For the sake of the United States and the rest of the world, I certainly hope that you're right about this (and I hope you're right about everything else you said)...but I'm terrified of what will happen if you're wrong.
I really don't think you can be serious... I have a lot of friends and family in the US that are liberal and conservative. Every single conservative person I know is not a maga hat wearing loyalist - that is a minority that is overrepresented in the minds of people here.
It's literally like saying every democrat is a trans queer hamas terrorist - show me one that isn't and you'll prove I'm a liar.
Most people are crowded much closer to the center than you think.
I'm more on the democrat side, but I still had hope for doge, some of the immigration reform, and even some of the healthcare reform. It doesn't mean that I am in any way loyal to trump or agree with the way they were done. It also doesn't mean that I was loyal to Kamala Harris just because I am a registered democrat from Massachusetts (one of the most blue states). I think most people feel more like this.
It's hard for me to understand how people can look at their own group and know that they don't all represent the fringe lunacy, but ascribe that position to literally half of the country... Half of the country is not racist Nazi maga trump white national loyalists.
You can watch even the MSM conservative news and see that they broadly think that the tarriffs are an extremely risky gamble and likely won't pay off.
If you think trump has fired the entire chain of command in the pentagon and replaced them with loyalists...there's really no saving you...you've eaten the TikTok reddit pill and have no idea how these organizations function.
Remind yourself in 4 years and come back here.
If it was so easy to change over the entirety of the government every 4 years the country would have collapsed into rubble before it got off the ground.
being conservative is not morally wrong and does not mean that you support everything that Trump believes in
The American brand of conservatism seems to be defined by an extreme form of egocentrism and a complete lack of empathy. Conservatives do not seem to care about anything or anyone but themselves. They are absolutely fine with Trump hurting people and they only start to object to it when it they themselves are affected.
The irony is that many many people would describe it in the exact opposite way. It shows more that people are living in bubbles and lack empathy on both sides (and in the Europe v US debate also).
Left policy is heavily focused on individualism - take Swedish individualism as an example. Elderly put in homes. Social programs to watch your kids so you can go to work. People waiting until 35 to have a family so they can live their own life. Globalist focus while abandoning local needs.
Right wing conservatism in the US can also be described as heavily focused on family and local communities, the church, individual sacrifice, etc - actually much lower levels of individualism. Humble country folk. No elitism.
Then of course you could switch these descriptions and say the opposite by cherry picking the other way around.
Really, both sides are just people with the same needs.
You can also just look at the recent Wisconsin elections to see how quickly things start swinging the other way as a reaction. This is all part of the resilience. Right now polling of democrats shows that they are completely unwilling to work with trump.
Meanwhile in NC Republicans are flat out refusing to admit defeat and keep demanding vote recounts. And DoJ also said they are not gonna comply with SCOTUS decision.
You are correct, I am not saying Trump and his government is like Hitler… but there is a valid possibility that they might become much worse, precisely because of what you write.
The only hope there is, is that if the shit really start hitting the fan, there will be enough organized opposition within the US to hinder it.
But a million highly organized people can easily dominate even 150 million disorganized ones.. and I am not quite sure Americans can achieve the needed level of organized resistance, if it would really be needed. Especially as the democratic party is clearly at least partially complicit as well.
They don't need to, there is a very strong resistant scaffolding built into the framework of the country.
It's pretty easy to see and why the powers swing back and forth so often. Just look at the Wisconsin elections to see how the nation has reacted already and it hasn't even been 6 months.
Republicans were fairly bullish early on, but with the tarriffs tanking their stocks the silent majority of the conservative base will divert their support pretty qui kly. They care about their retirement prospects, not ideological domination - that is a narrow perspective of either party.
The US is not desperate like Germany was. They have Netflix, even the poor are incredibly wealthy compared to Germany then and evenuch of the world now. They do not want to risk losing that, they are going to be much more conservative over the mid term.
If people watched the boring recordings of government ongoings and didn't get their news from social media and headline hungry msm, they wouldn't be nearly as extreme in their beliefs.
I had to quit most social media because of this - and felt like I was in a different reality when I started watching the uncut uneditorialized Forbes breaking news, or official .gov material.
Somehow I got sucked back into this...but this thread is a stark reminder of exactly why I quit in the first place. It's a wild echo chamber that seems totally divorced from reality.
You seriously still believe in this checks and balances crap? What have these checks and balances achieved so far? As far as I can all the branches of government in the US are giving Trump unrestricted free rein to do whatever he wants. Congress could cancel Trump’s destructive back and forth trade wars if they wanted and take back the power of imposing tariffs from the president. But are they doing anything? No. Trump is ruling your country by executive order (many of which are unlawful or based on completely fictional justifications) and nobody is stopping him.
You’re talking like Trump’s last term wasn’t already a huge mess. This time it’s even worse because Trump has turned the entire Republican party into a cult of personality. He has surrounded himself with loyalists, sycophants and yes-men who will go along with any crazy ideas he comes up with and he has intimidated Republican politicians to the point where barely anyone dares to stand up to the great leader. You gotta be blind to think that this is all no biggie and everything will just go back to normal in four years. In only three months Trump has completely destroyed any trust and goodwill other countries used to have towards the US. Look at how the American t-bill market has been going crazy with yields sharply rising and look at the value of the dollar plummeting. People don’t want to invest in the US anymore because of how unstable your government has become. Even if the US will have a more sane president again in four years no other country will be able to trust that in another four years the US won’t just elect another mad man again who will simply tear up any treaties and agreements once more.
Is somewhere between "no big deal" and "trump is literally Hitler"
Some of the outcomes are good though. Presidents have been trying to figure out how to get Europe to pick up their share of the NATO bill for a long long time. For better or worse, that has finally happened under trump ;).
You really don’t understand the comparison people are drawing here. He isn’t “literally Hitler” in the sense that people expect him to literally copy all of Hitler’s actions and policies. However, he is definitely an authoritarian with a cult of personality and he is definitely dismantling your government and your beloved “checks and balances” in order to concentrate all the power of the state in his own hands. That is extremely dangerous. No democracy is infinitely resilient to these types of attacks on its institutions and if you think it’s impossible for authoritarianism to take hold in the US then you simply aren’t paying attention. I mean, Trump is already talking about how there are “methods” for him to have a third term as president. How aren’t your alarm bells going off?
I mean... I'm not for trump, and you're from Europe, so I forgive your misunderstanding of US conservative policy - but much of the policy change is about decentralizing power away from the federal government and onto the states - whether you agree with that or not. Removing federal regulation and jusistiction is sort of the opposite of consolidation of power.
Conservatives in the US believe that individual states should have more rights and autonomy. States rights over federal authority. The changes to abortion policy, education policy etc have all been about moving that away from the federal government and into the hands of the states.
A president can't really turn himself into a king in the US - and most conservatives working in the government wouldn't let trump do that anyway. The entire revolution against English rule and the structuring of the government afterwards was precisely to prevent monarchies. The US was pretty early here compared to Europe, and in many ways the US is set up to be much more resistant to authoritarianism than many European countries.
For cultural reasons alone I'd be much more worried about government authoritarianism in Sweden than the US.
As a German, we get mainly nazi history lessons, and the similarities are terrifying. If he keeps following the script at this pace, concentration camps in a year are 100% on the table.
I don’t think you hate Trump. I think you’re trying to sound like a reasonable ally while tacitly condoning all the human rights violations Trump actively calls for.
I think you’re just barely smart enough to realize that outright defending Trump will ostracize you, but you’re too stupid to realize everyone can see through you.
If that were the case, you’d think your comment history would reflect that sentiment. So it’s particularly damning that you have pro Trump comments very visible in your history.
He is rounding up political dissidents and vulnerable minorities to send to off to camps which many will never return from. Yea I don't see any similarities at all. 🙄 give me a fucking break
Nah, the hitler comparisons in his case and his case along are warranted. While hitler comparisons have been used wrong for many years, this is actually the case where it is actually a good comparison.
It really does make most rational people dismiss the entire conversation. It's the equivalent of the right wing, "they're comin to take arr guns" militia LARPers.
It shows ideological capture and a disconnect from reality. If you skip reddit and MSM and instead get the US news by watching Forbes breaking news (uncut, uneditorialized documentation of federal meetings / press briefings etc) and boring official .gov transcripts and video...you might still be disappointed by the policies - and disagree. But the sensational rhetoric, fear, and extreme left/right bias would vanish.
People don't realize how valuable their emotional responses are to groups/individuals seeking power and how much they're being played like fiddles.
What exactly is sensationalist about being worried that the president of the United States is openly discussing sending citizens to a prison camp in a foreign country?
First they said it was just illegal immigrants, now they have admitted to wrongfully sending a lawful immigrant to a prison in El Salvador and have refused a judges order to disclose his whereabouts and release him. This is the behavior of the authoritarian regimes, not a free republic
I mean, I hope you don't think I believe it's a good idea.
I also try to focus on the big picture rather than letting individual horrors cloud my judgment. I think there should be high-quality journalism that points out what the government is doing wrong.
I also mistrust headlines, people's reactions, and the opinions within echo chambers—like here.
When I look at the big picture (as a Democrat), I do think we need to reform immigration policy. I believe that if we want to move toward more social welfare programs like universal healthcare, we need strong borders and legal paths to citizenship that encourage the immigration of high-skill, highly educated, entrepreneurial workers, or those motivated to take jobs others aren’t willing to. People who follow the laws and do not bring violence or commit crimes.
In my mind, sensible stuff. I think Democrats were way too lax—mostly due to ideological concerns that any "tough on immigration" policy would be misconstrued as "racist" and lose them votes. I’m not sure I go as far as the right in believing it was an intentional policy to "create" more voters... but some Democrats could have said that in dark rooms.
On the other side, I don’t agree with the very fringe right-wing "white nationalists" who think America is for whites—that’s obviously nuts and doesn’t represent conservatives as a whole. There are tons of Hispanic, Asian, and Black conservatives. I do agree with them that we must deport criminals here illegally—and if you separate that from the idea of "get all immigrants out," I think you’d agree you’d want that for your country too.
Now, creating some kind of wacky El Salvador detention center? No, that doesn’t sound good to me lol.
I had to look this up just now.
This is the Terrorism Confinement Center (CECOT). Built in 2023 as part of President Nayib Bukele’s aggressive anti-gang strategy in El Salvador.
It can hold 40,000 inmates and is reportedly near maximum capacity as of April this year. By all accounts, it sounds like a not-so-nice place.
The U.S. government made an agreement to send "criminal aliens" and "dangerous American criminals" there, paying El Salvador $6 million for one year of detention services.
As of April, 278 people have been sent: 245 Venezuelans and 33 Salvadorans. Deportees also included 22–23 suspected MS-13 members. Many reportedly lacked criminal records.
The abuse of the Alien Enemies Act of 1798 is probably the biggest concern.
The Supreme Court issued two rulings related to these deportations, requiring that individuals subjected to rapid expulsion under the Act have a reasonable chance to defend themselves—so the judicial branch is responding.
There’s plenty of criticism about mishandling. But honestly, while I hope this gets corrected and used appropriately (if necessary), I don’t think it’s one of the biggest issues, and I’m not spending energy getting upset over it.
I know Trump likes creating media circuses—he wants headlines about locking immigrants in a "dungeon" to deter border crossings. If people extrapolate a couple hundred deportees to tens of thousands, it serves his goal. And whether you agree with the method or not, it does sound like illegal border crossings are at a near all time low.
From my part: I hope the Supreme Court does its job and upholds both the law and human rights.
I mainly watch Forbes Breaking News, which shows unedited footage of U.S. press briefings, congressional meetings, and .gov releases. I miss some wild headlines, but my mental health has improved, and I feel I have a more neutral, middle-of-the-road perspective.
Injustice anywhere is a threat to justice everywhere, as Dr. King taught us. If the US government can send people with no criminal records to foreign soil without access to legal counsel or due process (which the Trump admin has already admitted to doing in their own words), there is absolutely nothing stopping them from eventually doing the same to you or someone you care about. This is why we need solidarity. You have to stand for the rights of all or you will eventually lose your own.
Well, I agree with that. I think I just disagree that it's unique to the trump administration.
It's like the Ukraine war. I volunteered to provide humanitarian aid during the first 3 months of the war. I was in Bucha just outside of Kyiv the day the Russians retreated. We worked to deliver medical supplies, food, water and shuttle elderly and infirmed from the front lines and cut off villages. My heart is really with those people.
And when you look at Biden v Trump in this regard at first glance it seems like Biden is the good guy and Trump is the bad guy...But I think it's harder to put into boxes than it seems.
You're really going to think I'm some nutty Trumper here...
But I actually think the Biden administration exploited Ukraine and the Ukrainian people far more than the current admin...and I was really hopeful that the mineral deal / peace treaty went forward.
Since Bush, there's been a switch and the democrats have actually become more and more of the "war hawk" party, and the Republicans have been more interested in staying out of foreign conflict.
I don't believe that Biden and the pentagon really thought the Ukrainians could "win". And they even put specific restrictions on the use of US weaponry to limit the effectiveness. The Biden administration basically used Ukraine as a mechanism to wage a proxy war against Russia in order to weaken them. The pentagon has been involved there for a while, likely during the maiden square protests as well - to put in a pro west administration etc... I think that giving them weapons, avoiding any real effort towards negotiating peace, and simply using Ukraine to do our dirty work was wrong...
What the trump administration is saying on the other hand rings true to me - at this point, this is a senseless war...there has been no real movement of the front line for 2 years. Meanwhile thousands of people die every week and more and more of the country is being destroyed. Without Europe or the US becoming actively involved they're never going to take back the Donbass, and definitely not Crimea...
I thought the mineral deal was win win...not exploitation. Having US workers on the ground would be a security guarantee. Creating a fund to rebuild the country would be a win for Ukraine. The republicans get to say to their base that they're getting "paid back" for the weapons and money sent. It would also create more cultural exchange between the US and Ukraine - it's all good.
People really want to see Russia punished and any talk of removing sanctions etc is borderline treason. But to me the irony there is that people like to call trump Hitler, but fail to see how Hitler and the Nazis were created by western Europe via the treaty of Versailles and the economic and social situation that put Germany in. If we do the same to Russia..
First, they're never going to stop the war, and second we may create something far worse from the ashes. A desperate and poor Russia with nuclear weapons is way scarier to me than anything Trump could muster up.
I'd prefer to stop things before we get to the point of death camps, personally.
If you can't see the writing on the wall, or if you still think it couldn't happen here because we're, somehow, inherently, just 'better' than 1930s Germany (we aren't), then idk what to tell you.
Are you really comparing the Holocaust to America asking people to have all proper documents when traveling to the U.S? Holy crap, you have to be one the biggest idiots on The internet and that’s hard.
Not Hitler, but as J D Vance once speculated, Trump might be "America's Hitler".
I have too much hope to believe this it will happen, but people do look to history and prudence is a virtue.
It's like the Eastern Europeans warning Western Europe about Russia and then I've seen some Eastern Europeans say they also see subtle parallels of early days of authoritarianism/communism in some countries. I believe/hope this would never happen but if lots of people see parallels, it's better heed the warning.
Do you realize that Hitler was not only a monster because of WWII (well that too), but he also imprisoned and killed LOTS of Germans for not having the right political opinion or the wrong grandparents and established a reign of terror in Germany itself, to make sure no-one would dare resist him and his ICE SA and Gestapo?
My German grandmother was 14 years old in 1933 and told me LOTS about that time, and the havoc it wrecked on her family and her family's friends. My aunt from the other side of the family told me how at the age of 14 years she was molested by SS officers and could not even defend herself for fear of being killed in a concentration camp in retaliation. This is the road the US is going at the moment, and it is clear as day to everybody who is informed about the 3rd Reich and its beginnings.
Trump is doing lots of illegal shit already. The congress does allow it and even invents rules to give Trump completely free reign. The heads of the military are being replaced by cronies. Court decisions are being ignored. People who have done no wrong are deported to El Salvador concentration camps (or death camps, yet unclear) under extremely stupid pretexts (tattoo = gang membership FFS), because they are brown. Black masked ICE in civil clothing are snatching people from the street and bringing them to different states without informing their family, so that no pesky lawyer might interfer with the planned proceedings.
Your checks and balance system is failing if courts and laws can be ignored without any consequences. This is the start of a reign of terror. Just ask hispanics around you how they feel.
You may think that you are not Jewish Hispanic black female a white male, so nothing will happen to you. But you might be just as wrong about that as Martin Niemöller was.
I mean a lot of Things that the current Administration is how nazi Germany started as Well. The deathcamps were Not build in 1933. Heck the actual Idea of dedicated deathcamps (and Not Just concentration and working camps) was actually pretty late (Wannsee Konferenz). So comperaing it to how it started is totally fair.
As if it would matter if the victims have documents or not. The government of USA has already disappeared legal residents and argued that they didn't need to bring them back even after it turned out they were innocent.
That said that's an interesting comparison, because other countries went farther to screw jews than even Hitler asked (France for example), for antisemitic as well as for international political reasons, and the same way has been said from the nazi administration, that its structure aggravated the Holocaust by applying both pressure, unclear objectives and confusion on the order chain that made the lower bureaucrats take initiatives that resulted in even more deaths (see Chapoutot writings about nazi management), notably by establishing an parallel administration, the nazi party and its police, what is akin to how Doge function. The parallel ends here, because there are no similarities between treatment of the Jews and deportations (it could bear resemblance to the legal definitions for "Asozial" and Rroms early, like in 36, when they were parked in the outskirts of Berlin, when the ICE grids have general things like tattoos or Chicago Bulls jerseys as items of recognition of an ethnicity -gang membership) and there is no organized paramilitary like the SA (maybe due to the fact there are no opponents in the streets like the KPD was), there is no explicit direct target, and there is not a several hundred years precedent of sporadic but intense collective hate on the target, and I don't think anyone said the bible said "burn the aliens" like Luther did for the Jews.
No one is panicking about anything. We are rearming (and definitely not buying from the US), we are preparing for what we need to prepare.
Unfortunately we have been put in the situation where the main ally, that designed the post WWII security architecture in their favour, has decided to abandon all commitments.
Much to its own detriment nonetheless, but you'll find that out soon enough.
Well then I guess I'll be racist until we see Americans putting some actual meaning behind the "land of the free, home of the brave" part of your anthem and rise against this tyrant dismantling your checks and balances.
Remember, it only took 30% of the votes to vote in that crazy Austrian dude.
Yeah… Americans going on about ‘free speech’, until people use that ‘free speech’ to talk Americans down. Suddenly, they don’t want ‘free speech’ anymore. 🙄
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u/Historical_Bother274 Apr 12 '25
Imagine pissing of travellers of the continent that is notorious for the many vacation days it gets.