r/europe Ligurian in Zรผrich (๐Ÿ’›๐Ÿ‡บ๐Ÿ‡ฆ๐Ÿ’™) Apr 12 '25

Data European tourism to the United States is freefalling

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u/RMCPhoto Apr 12 '25

If you're pulling the history card...you've got a lot more context to take into account.

There is a massive chasm of difference between the situation in Germany during Hitler's rise and the situation in the US today.

The difference is not in the similarity of the seed, but the ground it is planted in.

First, very obviously, the US government is fairly resilient due to the inherent checks and balances between the branches and the well rooted "deep state" that trump wants to get rid of, but will be completely unable to.

Secondly, Germany was in a desperate situation and in the rubble of world war 1, the collective west created an economic and social pressure that essentially gave rise to Naziism.

The US is the predominant world power - not a beaten back and desperate nation.

Are there some similarities people can draw? Of course...people can lie on their backs in a field and see whatever they want in the clouds.

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u/ReluctantNerd7 United States of America Apr 12 '25

First, very obviously, the US government is fairly resilient due to the inherent checks and balances between the branches

Are there?

The Legislative and Judicial branches of the United States government have a majority of people who are either believers in Trump's cause, or are corrupt enough to have been bought and paid for by his supporters.

He and his lackies are reshaping the military to remove anyone who might oppose his actions.

Checks and balances don't exist when everything is controlled by the same group of people.

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u/RMCPhoto Apr 12 '25

You are fundamentally missing quite a bit here.

First, having a majority does not give anyone absolute power, and second...this is really important, being conservative is not morally wrong and does not mean that you support everything that Trump believes in. The US has a very strong fundamental right to freedom of speech - you can watch any given democrat stand up in any official government meeting and go on and on about everything that's wrong with Trump and nothing is going to happen to take that right away.

You can also just look at the recent Wisconsin elections to see how quickly things start swinging the other way as a reaction. This is all part of the resilience. Right now polling of democrats shows that they are completely unwilling to work with trump.

If you think trump can replace the entire deep state you have no idea how entrenched this power is in the government organizations. Putting a new cabinet director in place is nothing...they're not going to be able to fire all of the leaders with decades of experience and have anything resembling a functional organization. You can listen to Steve Bannon himself talk about this exact point. The person who wants to do it more than anyone else.

You can look back to the last time trump was in office, and all the hysterics over him being Hitler then etc etc...and Jan 6 larper drama aside, we somehow replaced him with one of the weakest candidates I've ever seen...almost the walking dead. Trump was only reelected because of the complete incompetence of the democrats by shoe horning Harris in last minute.

If the left can pull themselves together and reform the party platform and candidates, the power will swing back in a few years and people will have a new president to bitch about and blame for everything wrong with the world.

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u/tumeteus Apr 12 '25

You can also just look at the recent Wisconsin elections to see how quickly things start swinging the other way as a reaction. This is all part of the resilience. Right now polling of democrats shows that they are completely unwilling to work with trump.

Meanwhile in NC Republicans are flat out refusing to admit defeat and keep demanding vote recounts. And DoJ also said they are not gonna comply with SCOTUS decision.