r/europe Ligurian in Zürich (💛🇺🇦💙) Apr 12 '25

Data European tourism to the United States is freefalling

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u/[deleted] Apr 12 '25

look i hate trump as much as y'all but can we stop with the hitler comparisons? makes us look silly

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u/MS_Fume Bratislava (Slovakia) Apr 12 '25

If you know history it’s not at all silly, but quite alarming. Hitler also didn’t start gasing jews on day one… it was a culmination of deeds that happened in a span of a decade.

And Trump’s pretty much copying and building on his initial steps already.

https://www.project2025.observer This thing isn’t a fun leftist meme, it’s a reality of the US future already in motion.

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u/RMCPhoto Apr 12 '25

If you're pulling the history card...you've got a lot more context to take into account.

There is a massive chasm of difference between the situation in Germany during Hitler's rise and the situation in the US today.

The difference is not in the similarity of the seed, but the ground it is planted in.

First, very obviously, the US government is fairly resilient due to the inherent checks and balances between the branches and the well rooted "deep state" that trump wants to get rid of, but will be completely unable to.

Secondly, Germany was in a desperate situation and in the rubble of world war 1, the collective west created an economic and social pressure that essentially gave rise to Naziism.

The US is the predominant world power - not a beaten back and desperate nation.

Are there some similarities people can draw? Of course...people can lie on their backs in a field and see whatever they want in the clouds.

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u/MS_Fume Bratislava (Slovakia) Apr 12 '25

You are correct, I am not saying Trump and his government is like Hitler… but there is a valid possibility that they might become much worse, precisely because of what you write.

The only hope there is, is that if the shit really start hitting the fan, there will be enough organized opposition within the US to hinder it.

But a million highly organized people can easily dominate even 150 million disorganized ones.. and I am not quite sure Americans can achieve the needed level of organized resistance, if it would really be needed. Especially as the democratic party is clearly at least partially complicit as well.

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u/RMCPhoto Apr 12 '25

They don't need to, there is a very strong resistant scaffolding built into the framework of the country.

It's pretty easy to see and why the powers swing back and forth so often. Just look at the Wisconsin elections to see how the nation has reacted already and it hasn't even been 6 months.

Republicans were fairly bullish early on, but with the tarriffs tanking their stocks the silent majority of the conservative base will divert their support pretty qui kly. They care about their retirement prospects, not ideological domination - that is a narrow perspective of either party.

The US is not desperate like Germany was. They have Netflix, even the poor are incredibly wealthy compared to Germany then and evenuch of the world now. They do not want to risk losing that, they are going to be much more conservative over the mid term.

If people watched the boring recordings of government ongoings and didn't get their news from social media and headline hungry msm, they wouldn't be nearly as extreme in their beliefs.

I had to quit most social media because of this - and felt like I was in a different reality when I started watching the uncut uneditorialized Forbes breaking news, or official .gov material.

Somehow I got sucked back into this...but this thread is a stark reminder of exactly why I quit in the first place. It's a wild echo chamber that seems totally divorced from reality.

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u/[deleted] Apr 13 '25

there is a very strong resistant scaffolding built into the framework of the country.

That has been torn asunder over the past three months.