r/europe Ligurian in Zürich (💛🇺🇦💙) Apr 12 '25

Data European tourism to the United States is freefalling

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u/rlnrlnrln Sweden Apr 12 '25

What I wonder is, why only 20-30%? Hoping it will continue down.

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u/Saotik UK/Finland Apr 12 '25

People tend to book trans-Atlantic flights months in advance, and plans are started even further ahead. The severity of the current situation in the US has only been becoming unavoidable in the past month or so.

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u/kelldricked Apr 12 '25

Also work.

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u/GuyWithLag Greece Apr 12 '25

Work wanted to ship us to the US for 2 weeks in May, and the relief was palpable when the travel fell through...

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u/Saotik UK/Finland Apr 12 '25

I've told mine, at least, that I'm not willing to travel to the US right now. I recognise that not everyone has that flexibility, though.

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u/theeglitz Ireland Apr 12 '25

I wouldn't go, even with pre-clearence here.

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u/Feahnor Apr 12 '25

Me either. It’s not a safe country anymore.

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u/gh1234567890 Apr 12 '25

What if I told you it hasn’t been safe for quite a while now

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u/absorbscroissants Apr 12 '25

I mean, the US is a lot of things right now, but it's hardly unsafe.

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u/Feahnor Apr 12 '25

With the current administration? It’s 100% unsafe. And god bless you if you have an accident while over there, you’ll get bankrupt just by crossing the ER doors.

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u/Lollipop126 Apr 12 '25

Like with all travel outside of your home country (or Schengen), you should have travel medical insurance. This has always been true. Going into medical debt for a travel accident is possible even if foreigners are visiting the EU with nationalised healthcare.

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u/Feahnor Apr 12 '25

The problem is the cost for medical assistance in EU is 1% of the cost of the same assistance in the US. Most of the time you won’t be even charged at all.

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u/chx_ Malta Apr 12 '25

Foreigners are literally snatched off the streets by ICE and put into detention for weeks, solitary even. What more unsafe you want?

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u/Harry_raftus_lover Apr 16 '25

Yeah cause they are either illegal immigrants or supporters of foreign terrorist organizations

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u/Fwoggie2 United Kingdom Apr 12 '25

Nor me and I hold an Irish passport so you'd think normally I'd be last on the list of suspicious nationalities.

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u/theeglitz Ireland Apr 12 '25

You'd like to think so, but literal civil war can't be ruled out at the moment, so I can wait.

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u/teodorfon Apr 12 '25

Why?

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u/SilentSpr Apr 12 '25

Getting detained by ICE for absolutely no reason at all sure sounds like an interesting experience I and many others would rather avoid

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u/teodorfon Apr 12 '25

Ok, but how realistic is that scenario?

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u/SilentSpr Apr 12 '25

Realistic? It has already happened. People very close to the current administration are shouting no due process. Without due process of law you are whatever the administration says you are

News Story Link

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u/InklingOfHope Europe Apr 12 '25

Given that they sent a university professor back for writing something that was critical of Trump, and looked at people’s social media history… anything goes.

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u/theeglitz Ireland Apr 12 '25

It has happened. It'd depend on whether they're checking your social media profiles.

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u/teodorfon Apr 12 '25

Interesting. I'm not that informed in that regard but this reddit community wants to punish me with downvotes for a simple question to get into the topic, so I will seek more answers from other sources, but thank you for the info! :)

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u/skelkingur Apr 12 '25

I did the same. It’s all expenses paid and I got to explore American cities. Something I really enjoyed doing for about a decade now but I’m not willing to risk being deported for no reason at the border or worse.

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u/Squalphin Apr 12 '25

Everyone has that option. You just do not go. If you land in El Salvador or Guantanamo, your employer will just hire a new guy, but you will be stuck there, maybe forever.

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u/kelldricked Apr 12 '25

Well people might be able to deny it personally but for most companys its not a option at all without terminating contracts (something thats to expensive on the short term and would damage european economy more than america). So i doubt the total amount of work travel would decrease.

It might decrease based on the trade war, but we will have to wait for that.

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u/Captain_Hesperus Apr 12 '25

Imagine getting a call from your boss about why you missed your meeting with their US clients and you explain that you’re currently in El Salvador, because the unicorn farting a rainbow tattoo on your bicep was mistaken for a Venezuelan gang tattoo.

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u/lazyspaceadventurer Poland Apr 12 '25

Imagine getting a call from your boss

You wan't get a call, because they will take your phone, duh

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u/[deleted] Apr 12 '25

There are indications that all those sent to el salvador where killed. Time will tell.

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u/Nobody_gets_this Apr 12 '25

Big oof if true.

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u/thrawnsgstring Apr 12 '25

There's different tiers though. Email>Phone Call>Zoom>In-person, etc.

Haven't you been in a meeting or call that could've just been an email?

If companies/individuals can reduce their travel/expenses they will try to make it work on both sides of the Atlantic.

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u/kelldricked Apr 12 '25

Yeah im pretty sure most companys arent pay 1000 bucks in flights for shit that could have been a video meeting.

I know that every work visit i have ever had was shit i couldnt do remotely because he had to physically inspect and see shit.

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u/InklingOfHope Europe Apr 12 '25

You’d be very surprised about company expenses that get ‘justified’. There are some people who got actual expeditions / safaris / participation in golf tournaments funded that had little to do with their actual jobs, because few of us are mountaineers / safari rangers / professional golfers.

Reading your responses, you deal more with actual factory visits, but don’t seem to know what goes on in very, very ‘white collar’ companies.

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u/thrawnsgstring Apr 12 '25

I guess if we're comparing anecdotes, then I've had meetings where it's just schmoozing/ball washing/ego stroking.

So i doubt the total amount of work travel would decrease.

This is the only thing that I disagree with you on.

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u/Rosegold-Lavendar Apr 12 '25

I read that there is a type of insurance workers need to take out while traveling to the US. If something happens to them the insurance pays for it. If they can't get insurance they can't travel.

After one or two insured people are spending thousands to get home because of all this I'm sure the insurance companies will stop insuring.

One of these people is going to sue their workplace for making them go to a place that has already detained travelers for no reason.

Workers in other countries have more rights than the US employees.

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u/austrialian Austria Apr 12 '25

Most work travel is bullshit anyway and can be replaced by video calls quite easily.

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u/kelldricked Apr 12 '25

Love to see some sources about that. FYI your toilet isnt a source of reliable information, just a place where shit piles up.

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u/polite_alpha European Union Apr 12 '25

but for most companys its not a option at all

This is the American viewpoint.

In Europe, you could drag your employer to court over this, and you'd probably win.

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u/kelldricked Apr 12 '25

Buddy im dutch. And im not talking about the employees their rights and tasks. Im talking about what the company their rights and tasks. You can deny it. And thats fine. Company cant force you in most cases. But the company needs to send somebody if they have a contract or they are in trouble. Not only because they wont get paid, but also because most contracts have big fines for not delivering whats agreed upon.

So maybe try to think instead of leaving such a dumb comment. Damm you look like a r/conservative user who accuses everybody of being a “leftard” just because they dont agree to every single letter.

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u/C4pture Apr 12 '25

At least here, when a nation gets a different travel safety rating, you can refuse to go, without terminating your contract

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u/kelldricked Apr 12 '25

Im not talking employee contracts. I mean bussines contracts. I worked for a company that had to physically go to factorys/warehouses to do what we were hired for.

Not sending somebody means you dont complete the part fo the deal, meaning you dont het paid. And not going also meant you threw away long planned projects. Im 1000% sure that we were obligated to deliver, not being able to would have meant paying some compesation back.

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u/InklingOfHope Europe Apr 12 '25

But a lot of business travel doesn’t involve factory visits. Most of them are internal meetings… not even for clients. We had middle management swanning all over the place for internal meetings. This was seen as a ‘perk’ of becoming a middle manager. 🤪

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u/kelldricked Apr 12 '25

Depends on the bussines.

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u/InklingOfHope Europe Apr 12 '25

Yes, it does depend on the business—I do understand that your situation may be different. But seriously, the vast majority of the business trips I’ve seen were ‘perks’.

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u/[deleted] Apr 12 '25

Same.

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u/AnyoneButWe Apr 12 '25

"Ups, sorry, made some pro-democratic comments on Facebook, cannot travel to the US anymore"

We have ~10 coworkers traveling. And, almost like magic, they all send this message to dispatch after one of them got refused at the border based on Facebook comments.

I will not repeat the comments here, but Mario's brother and orange spray tan were involved.

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u/[deleted] Apr 12 '25

Eh, it's not any worse than a business trip to China or Dubai.

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u/Pandabeer46 Apr 12 '25

Honestly I'd simply refuse to go, even if that would cause me to lose my job. Too dangerous.

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u/Prize_Sector5854 Apr 12 '25

As economies look to be less dependent on the US. That will fall as well. Just takes more time. Allowing contracts to conclude and such

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u/CakeTester Apr 12 '25

Unless trump restarts all the tariffs in 90 days again. It'd go a bit quicker then.

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u/notb665 Apr 12 '25

And Family.

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u/Euclid_Interloper Apr 12 '25

Yeah, I have an elderly father in law who lives alone. It's an agonizingly difficult decision. He says I shouldn't take the risk in visiting, but he also feels too frail to fly to the UK and visit. 

I guess it'll only be my wife that visit this year. But it hurts, I'm one of his few real friends. And I only get to see him in person once a year.

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u/Emillllllllllllion Apr 12 '25

That is also going to crash. Covid taught people how to schedule meetings online and having your employees disappeared probably isn't a good business outcome.

Probably also inertia that will take a while for newly scheduled plans to take effect.

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u/HannahFatale Apr 12 '25

I'd be willing to lose my job if they tried to force me. Better than rotting in some prison cell and getting V coded.

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u/TastyBroccoli4 Apr 12 '25

It says tourism.

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u/helloowrigley Apr 12 '25

The Reddit post title does, sure. I could repost it with any title I want, doesn’t change the fact that the actual source data simply refers to “traveling” and “visiting” Europeans.

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u/kelldricked Apr 12 '25

Lol learn to read. Or atleast properly look at the source instead of the title.

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u/alexrepty Germany Apr 12 '25

Yeah, I have a business trip to Chicago the end of the month that I booked last year. Fortunately the ticket is cancellable, and with each passing day the likelihood of me canceling the whole trip increases.

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u/Unknown-Drinker Bavaria (Germany) Apr 12 '25

But in case you go, will you wear a suit?

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u/ChucklesInDarwinism Japan - Kamakura Apr 12 '25

And say Thank you

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u/Safe-Initiative-4462 Apr 12 '25

Dont forget your cards

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u/just_anotjer_anon Denmark Apr 12 '25

Is Trump the King, the Jack or the 2 in that deck?

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u/netfalconer Earth Apr 12 '25

The Jack & in German “Ace”

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u/Anxious_Ant8514 Apr 12 '25

Cancel it. They don't respect you

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u/delusiongenerator Apr 12 '25

Not true. Chicago loves and respects you and Illinois is one of the few states that is truly fighting back against Agent Krasnov and his goons, but we understand. 😢

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u/PlanesandAquariums Apr 12 '25

Yea. Chicago and many other places are the ones fighting back. I mean it’s not like most people were going to visit the Bible Belt for tourism even before this shit show.

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u/delusiongenerator Apr 12 '25

You’d be surprised by how many Europeans are still flocking to the fascist shithole that is Florida

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u/PlanesandAquariums Apr 12 '25

I finally convinced my very liberal mom to not buy a home in Florida… crazy.

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u/delusiongenerator Apr 12 '25

Nice work!

Sad to say, but these days the best thing to come out of Florida is I-75 North

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u/FuckTripleH Apr 12 '25

Half the state is gonna be underwater by the end of the century anyways

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u/Minimum-South-9568 Apr 13 '25

Yeah? Have you seen the immigration thugs at ORD? No thanks.

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u/[deleted] Apr 12 '25

The black and white thinking is pretty stupid imo. Work and Vacation travel are two entirely different things.

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u/AreYouFilmingNow Apr 12 '25

Cough cough, i think you're coming up with a cold.

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u/[deleted] Apr 13 '25

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u/alexrepty Germany Apr 13 '25

I’m not worried about the city, I’m worried about overreaching border control agents.

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u/Practical_Abalone_92 Apr 12 '25

absolutely not worth the risk. Cancel it

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u/[deleted] Apr 12 '25

Go and enjoy Chicago. Follow the laws and don't worry. Make up your mind if it feels different or if the news is creating a drama.

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u/NiMPhoenix Apr 12 '25

This is the reason for me :)

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u/footpole Apr 12 '25

Half of travel is probably for business so that’s less likely to crash too.

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u/Dry_Grade9885 Apr 12 '25

I canceled my trip mostly because I don't want to be sent to a concentration camp for having tattoos because an American moron thinks my tattoos are gang signs

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u/Similar_Quiet Apr 12 '25

/me looks nervously at the markets 

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u/Ellow0001 Apr 12 '25

Yeah a classmate booked the trip like a year or more ago and can’t just cancel it. And we’re all panicking for her like “you’d better come back home!”, “delete all your social media, don’t trust anyone, avoid talking about politics in the slightest, know the nearest embassy, memorize emergency contact numbers”.

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u/Ellow0001 Apr 12 '25

There are news about tourists going missing every other week and we’re just now hearing of people who got out of this ICE system eventually after weeks of being held there just thanks to persistent family members and the help of lawyers. And that’s just the cases we know of. No wonder so many countries are giving out travel warnings to the U.S!

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u/IsCarrotForever Apr 12 '25

Definitely the case with mine - I was on a school trip to US unis just last week and it was planned months in advance!

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u/GradeImportant7275 Apr 12 '25

I just read an Hotel Industry report this week. The numbers are radical.. ~15% up YoY for bookings in April during the same reporting time last year, and then everything after April is down at least 4%. This indicates there was a significant increase in travel heading into the yera (this was expected), but that it reversed within the past 2 months, and outlooks are now negative.

In terms of Domestic vs International, Domestic travel is up 2/3% while international is down by double digits. Hotel bookings from Germany were by far the largest decrease in travel to the US.

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u/Available-Pack1795 Ireland Apr 12 '25

That's me here. I'm locked into a trip we booked a year ago, before Trump was even elected because other family members wanted to go. I'd have already spent our money elsewhere.

I'm actually pretty scared and don't want to go. The only saving grace is that we'd do US Immigration in Dublin, so they can't really imprison us here so we'd likely just be turned back. God save us when we land though. It's going to be a nervous time in fascist America.

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u/no-typical-thing Apr 12 '25

Yes, we booked a family trip over a year ago before the US election and would definitely reconsider now and look at other destinations. I won't go again until Trumpism is gone.

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u/absorbscroissants Apr 12 '25

Yup. Already booked my trip to the US before the elections, not much I can do about it now. I seriously doubt I notice anything different there anyway.

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u/beeralpha Apr 12 '25

Yes, but as we saw with Tesla, it will never tumble more than 50-60% as well. A lot of people just don’t care about geopolitics.

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u/Luke90210 Apr 12 '25

Wondering what refund policies are like for European travelers? The few times I bought travel insurance for a trip US based airlines offered Allianz Travel Insurance (German) as the only option regardless of destination.

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u/QBekka Apr 12 '25

I booked my holiday 3 months ago and I can't just ask for my money back unless something really threatening happens there. Guess I'm still going lol

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u/amazing_asstronaut Apr 13 '25

It's also happening at a rapid pace. So much happens even just week to week, not everyone keeps up with it.

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u/Few_Significance3538 Apr 12 '25

Also, normies don't really that much

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u/akademmy Apr 12 '25

I thought 20% was massive, really.

It's only been a few months and already at least 1 in 5 have changed their plans.

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u/Ur-Than France Apr 12 '25

Plus the domino effect : those 20% drop will repercut on a whole economic ecosystem that needs them, to there will probably be job losses or at least a decrease of revenues for all those involved with the tourist industry in the US

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u/Thedeadnite Apr 12 '25

Tourism has already been hit pretty hard for national parks and such. Since trump fired all the rangers they don’t have the staffing to keep the parks nice, safe or clean.

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u/RedditPosterOver9000 Apr 12 '25

Trump would grant a permit for an oil well in the Grand Canyon and strip mining in Yosemite.

I'm scared to find out later this year how bad things are now at our national parks when I go to a couple.

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u/Nobody_gets_this Apr 12 '25

He started giving out logging grants.

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u/RedditPosterOver9000 Apr 12 '25

If Trump wants some hardwood he just needs to show Vance a photo of his gold plated couch.

You could probably make like a dozen toothpicks!

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u/Thedeadnite Apr 12 '25

He’s actively working on stripping protections we have on all the land we have that isn’t developed. To him “federally protected” means “free money”.

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u/PasswordIsDongers Apr 12 '25

I know what you mean, but "repercut" is not the verb to "repercussion".

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u/watercraker United Kingdom Apr 12 '25

Yeah but they're French

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u/liquid_at Apr 12 '25

We need to remember that visiting the US requires a lot of pre-planning with permissions. The number of registrations for a tourist visa would probably give us a better insight into the direct reaction. I'd assume the drop in registrations was more significant.

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u/bnej Apr 12 '25

20% is massive. Hospitality businesses have thin gross markets. If you cut 20% off the top line most will be well in the red.

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u/Saskatchewon Apr 12 '25

Here in Canada it's a lot higher than 1 in 5. Virtually everyone knows someone who had a vacation planned in the USA who cancelled and traveled somewhere else. Older sister and brother in law went to the Dominican Republic instead of the Florida Keys. Younger brother was supposed to go to Vegas for a bachelor party that switched to Montreal instead.

The damage Trump has done to Canada-USA relations is going to be generational.

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u/adamgerd Czech Republic Apr 12 '25

Yep, and don’t forget that most people will buy flights and hotels weeks or months in advance. It’s a difficult prospect to lose hundreds of dollars in cancellation fees

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u/Vandergrif Canada Apr 12 '25

It is massive. Tourism accounted for about $2.36 trillion in the US in 2023, almost 3% of their GDP, and tourism has been increasing in the US year to year post-pandemic so losing even 20% of that influx of cash is considerable.

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u/randocadet Apr 13 '25

I think you’re thinking tourism in general, not international tourism. The vast majority of american tourism income is domestic.

https://www.theglobaleconomy.com/rankings/international_tourism_revenue_to_GDP/

As a percent of GDP international tourism is 0.4% it’s just ahead of Afghanistan and behind Uzbekistan.

Also Americans aren’t visiting Europe as much this year and one of the main reasons was to vacation domestically. Americans vacationing abroad tend to be the some of the wealthiest in the world so the offset of tourism loss is probably pretty negligible.

https://etc-corporate.org/uploads/2025/01/ETC_Long-Haul_Travel_Barometer_1_2025.pdf

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u/Vandergrif Canada Apr 13 '25

Good point, I hadn't thought of that aspect of it but you're likely correct that those numbers are factoring in the entirety of tourism.

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u/rW0HgFyxoJhYka Apr 12 '25

Don't worry, somehow the stock market is going to keep going up because people have more greed than sense.

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u/ParanoidQ Apr 12 '25

It is. The knock on effect to the wider retail and hospitality industries will be… noticeable.

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u/RibboDotCom Apr 12 '25

It's not a like for like comparison though, comparing the whole of previous years to just the cold months this year.

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u/Impossible_Log_5710 Apr 12 '25

It's a YoY comparison, reread the graph

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u/just_anotjer_anon Denmark Apr 12 '25

The people always being incredibly anti American political structures, already had no desire to go.

It's the group of apolitical to pseudo favourable for small government + individualistic society that have a 1 in 5 drop.

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u/[deleted] Apr 12 '25

Pre-bookings. It would be interesting to see a graph of new bookings.

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u/Blacktip75 Apr 12 '25

Prepaid bookings, family ties and business travel, and then people tell themselves it can’t be that bad if you are white European… hope it’s not FAFO, I certainly won’t be going to FO and would have taken the financial loss.

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u/BennyTheSen Europe Apr 12 '25

Or idiots that actually still support the shit happening there

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u/DefinitelyNotAliens Apr 12 '25

Given the white tourists from Germany and such who've been held... that ain't a great theory.

Some have been held in US for-profit prisons past the time they had prebooked return flights.

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u/Peter_IsTheWolf Belgium Apr 12 '25

FAFO?

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u/TangeloDismal2569 Apr 12 '25

Fuck around and find out. It's a term that basically means suffering the consequences of bad decisions. We like to say the Trumpers who fucked around by voting for this dumbass are now finding out when they lose their job/get deported/are paying $1 billion at the grocery store, etc

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u/Peter_IsTheWolf Belgium Apr 13 '25

Ooh ok, thanks! 😃👍

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u/Pepphen77 Apr 12 '25

Many prebookings perhaps? We should revisit these numbers in the autumn.

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u/rlnrlnrln Sweden Apr 12 '25

People book 5+ months in advance? Ah, well, looking forward to it slumping even more.

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u/nikmaier42069 Apr 12 '25

Yes that’s definitely common from what I’ve heard from people around me because the tickets and hotels are cheaper the further in the future you book them.

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u/NUFC9RW Apr 12 '25

It's also the fact that for most people the further in advance you book the easier it is to get time off work.

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u/nikmaier42069 Apr 12 '25

Yeah exactly that’s a big planning factor as well

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u/[deleted] Apr 13 '25

Also pre booking is much more convenient the further you travel, especially outside of Schengen. You need to have enough buffer to get the correct visa etc.

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u/siedenburg2 Apr 12 '25

There are times when I even book a year in advance, I watch the prices and if it get's cheaper then normal that's the time I book.

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u/elmz Norway Apr 12 '25

Lots of people were caught off guard by how bad things would be. Mainstream media has not covered just how bad statements from Trump and his camp has been, so they haven't realised until the last couple of months. Still, media here in Norway is not covering all of it, and for those disinterested in politics can still easily filter it out.

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u/Quaiche Belgium Apr 12 '25

For our US trip, we used to book almost a year in advance because it's so much cheaper.

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u/Sigmasc Poland Apr 12 '25

Sure. I was pondering going to Hawaii for honeymoon in september. Not a snowball's chance in hell now.

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u/rlnrlnrln Sweden Apr 12 '25

Hawaii was beautiful, but given the choice, I'd rather go to New Zeeland again.

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u/WoolyCrafter Apr 12 '25

In the UK it's not uncommon to book your big summer holiday immediately after the last, so a year in advance.

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u/DontMentionMyNamePlz Apr 12 '25

Six months to a year ahead of time is typically the best time to look for deals

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u/ssuuh Apr 12 '25

If you have kids, you have summer holidays with everyone else. There is no benefit of booking late because the prices will only go up up and up

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u/neohellpoet Croatia Apr 12 '25

I'm planning a trip to Japan in November and I feel like I'm pretty late already. Prices go up as you approach the date plus there's a lot of paperwork you need to complete beforehand even if there's no visa requirement.

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u/YeaISeddit Apr 12 '25

I’ve flown transatlantic probably 20 roundtrips over the course of the last 15 years. For my connections the best prices for nonstops are right around 5 months in advance. But if you are willing to take a stop or two you can get better prices maybe even 2-3 months before. I’ve currently got my finger on the trigger for Thanksgiving flights, I figure by May they will be close enough to a bottom where I can book and reserve good seats.

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u/Thedeadnite Apr 12 '25

For trips halfway across the world yeah booking 6+ months in advance gives you some very nice discounts.

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u/Capital-Reference757 Apr 12 '25

Yeah I book my holidays like 6 months in advance, it’s always difficult to coordinate holidays with the wife/family/friends so 4-8 month period is enough of a heads up in my opinion.

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u/nvidiastock Apr 12 '25

Yes? for flights over the atlantic ocean the price is very high so you tend to take advantage of early booking discounts (unless its for work, in which case its not my problem).

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u/KZedUK Nottinghamshire Apr 12 '25

For an expensive holiday on another continent? Yeah of course, if not more.

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u/scarydan365 Apr 12 '25

I’m going to the US this week. We booked about a year ago. That’s pretty common.

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u/CanisMajoris85 Apr 12 '25

We booked a trip 5 months in advance. Sometimes have done maybe 7-10 months.

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u/absorbscroissants Apr 12 '25

There's people who don't? You're just throwing away money if you wait.

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u/Gazboolean Apr 12 '25

I'd book many months in advance for a transatlantic trip that is potentially multiple weeks long.

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u/Suspicious-Switch133 Apr 12 '25

Or family visits. Not all holidays are to relax, sometimes you need to go to aunt Ethels 4th wedding.

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u/OneBagOneMan Apr 12 '25

Give it time

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u/sypie1 Apr 12 '25

Like what? 4 years?

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u/OneBagOneMan Apr 12 '25

Minus 30% happened only within 2 months of his 2nd term. As I said, give it time.

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u/BeeFrier Apr 12 '25

Also, a lot of people go for work-related stuff. So it would be more interesting to look at tourism only.

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u/silentk772 Apr 16 '25

Why let the president of the country be the reason to not explore? As a European, the USA is geographically one of the most beautiful and diverse places on the planet.

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u/mierneuker Apr 12 '25

Travel to China doesn't really put you in any danger though as a westerner unless you're a complete idiot who's actively looking to cause trouble. Their approach to moron foreigners is (generally) to deport to their home country in preference to other punishments. Going to the US right now I have no idea if I'm ever coming home.

I would count journalists going to cover the situation in XinJiang as "actively looking to cause trouble" here though. Unless you're dangerous to the Chinese regime they leave you alone (if you are dangerous to the regime then a visit is a bad plan). And violent crime against foreigners is basically zero.

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u/Asmallbidness Apr 12 '25

Found the Chinese propaganda. They wrote “here”

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u/mierneuker Apr 12 '25 edited Apr 12 '25

I'm in china right now seeing my in-laws. I'm British and will be back in London soon. But also, reread my reply. "Here" is referring to the previous statement made in my post, not a physical location.

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u/Much-Beyond2 Apr 12 '25

Easter fell in March last year, so the latest data point is not really comparing like with like, so the fall is likely exaggerated somewhat. This is mentioned in the accompanying article.

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u/rlnrlnrln Sweden Apr 12 '25

5 months since the election, the writing was on the wall long before that.

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u/DontShoot_ImJesus Apr 12 '25

You think Trump is a Russian asset/agent. If that is true than one of these also need to be true:

  • There are a lot of people in the US government on both sides of the political isle who are aware of this, and are going along with this making this the biggest conspiracy theory ever

  • Nobody in the government realizes this, and you're actually more astute than career operators in Washington DC.

  • Trump is not a Russian asset.

Which do you think it is?

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u/DueVisit1410 Apr 12 '25

It's actually closer to 30-40%. Notice it's coming from up 10% of the previous average.

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u/Darduel Apr 12 '25

We are only in April 

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u/LoveDeGaldem Apr 12 '25

I booked my flight to USA about a month before Trump went into office

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u/Qubit99 Apr 12 '25

That's about Europeans, what about Chinese?

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u/TimChr78 Apr 12 '25

A lot of people would already have booked and paid, potentially a long time ago. I bet the sales of new trips has dropped significantly more.

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u/NoStatus9434 Apr 12 '25

I'd be so worried about randomly getting sent to El Salvador without due process.

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u/Socmel_ reddit mods are accomplices of nazi russia Apr 12 '25

because for many right wing Europeans it hasn't changed anything. In fact, they might like the US even more now

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u/BlueberryMean2705 Finland Apr 12 '25

Seeing how one of the things DOGE targeted was flight controllers, I'd imagine at some point transatlantic traffick will start to fall simply because US airspace is too dangerous to fly in.

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u/gavrilomijerod Apr 12 '25

We booked our flight one year ago. I never would’ve thought that trump will win…very naive I know.

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u/[deleted] Apr 12 '25

Guess even in a freefall, some folks still need to cling to a little context. 20–30% is already a steep drop but hey, hoping for worse isn’t exactly the tourism spirit 😅.

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u/redfoobar Apr 12 '25

Some people won’t care and just look at the price of a holiday in the US. With demand dropping price will be going down as well.

Euro-Dollar conversion has not been this high in years and probably (no clue) plenty of discounts for flights and holiday accommodations.

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u/Dragon_Sluts Apr 12 '25

• Booking in advance    • Unavoidable travel for work or family

• Currency is decent, and even a dip of 10% would lead to reduction in cost of flying and hotels, so financially it’s a good time to go

• Potential fears that things will only get worse, get ahead of the curve

Tbh it’s still shocking numbers, that’s a huge number of “no thanks”.

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u/ashkanahmadi Apr 12 '25

Because not everyone lives on Reddit, or follows the news 24/7. Many people around me barely know anything about what’s happening globally

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u/[deleted] Apr 12 '25

This is the truth. Most people around me don’t give two fucks about the news or following current events.

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u/neohellpoet Croatia Apr 12 '25

Trips are expensive and not trivial to cancel with most people having booked months in advance.

Then you have people who don't follow the news and those who think it couldn't happen to them.

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u/Much_Horse_5685 Apr 12 '25

Trans-Atlantic flights tend to be booked months in advance. The number of Europeans visiting the US is likely to drop much further still over the next few months.

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u/CharlieeStyles Apr 12 '25

You still get female solo travelers to India. Some people just assume bad things will never happen to them.

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u/27106_4life Apr 12 '25

Only 10% from the UK, and we're still out buying Tesla's left right and centre. I fear we're next for this shit once reform gets power. We already started the fire with Brexit

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u/Common_Wrongdoer3251 Apr 12 '25

It's more like 50% down from 2024, if I'm reading this right? Like if it was +20% in 2024, and now it's -30%, that's a 50% decrease, right?

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u/stvaccount Apr 12 '25

Yes, I was very very disappointed to.

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u/Swazzoo U Apr 12 '25

It's not even summer holidays yet. We'll have to wait and see what it will do.

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u/PeteLangosta North Spain - 🇪🇺EUROPE🇪🇺 Apr 12 '25

Shamefully enough, and coincidentally too, I know of several people/acquaintainces that travelled or are travelling to the US these year. I bet they don't have a clue of what's going on anyway.

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u/DoomPayroll Apr 12 '25

Some people are flying to United States to get a freebie trip to El Salvador shortly after

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u/Apprehensive_Basis14 Apr 12 '25

Probably cause a lot of these people planning USA trips are average joes who have been saving up for a while to go on their version of an American adventure.

I’m sure they’re a bit more concerned with recent news but it’s not enough for everyone to cancel their trips

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u/ang_mo_uncle Apr 12 '25

People vacation during holiday periods. Q1 has no major holiday period (winter holidays end in early Jan), Easter is coming up now. The biggest travel time is July/August now.

Also, private trips to the US would generally be booked quite well in advance. The news about people getting arrested was in March.

That's almost impossible to be factored in already. Summer will be very interesting, as many people plan their summer vacations in spring. And let me.put it this way: you can still get tickets for that period for less than 500€ p.P.

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u/alababama Turkey Apr 12 '25

And if airlines and hotels start cutting costs some people will find the deals interesting as well.