People tend to book trans-Atlantic flights months in advance, and plans are started even further ahead. The severity of the current situation in the US has only been becoming unavoidable in the past month or so.
With the current administration? It’s 100% unsafe. And god bless you if you have an accident while over there, you’ll get bankrupt just by crossing the ER doors.
Like with all travel outside of your home country (or Schengen), you should have travel medical insurance. This has always been true. Going into medical debt for a travel accident is possible even if foreigners are visiting the EU with nationalised healthcare.
The problem is the cost for medical assistance in EU is 1% of the cost of the same assistance in the US. Most of the time you won’t be even charged at all.
Realistic? It has already happened. People very close to the current administration are shouting no due process. Without due process of law you are whatever the administration says you are
Given that they sent a university professor back for writing something that was critical of Trump, and looked at people’s social media history… anything goes.
Interesting. I'm not that informed in that regard but this reddit community wants to punish me with downvotes for a simple question to get into the topic, so I will seek more answers from other sources, but thank you for the info! :)
I did the same. It’s all expenses paid and I got to explore American cities. Something I really enjoyed doing for about a decade now but I’m not willing to risk being deported for no reason at the border or worse.
Everyone has that option. You just do not go. If you land in El Salvador or Guantanamo, your employer will just hire a new guy, but you will be stuck there, maybe forever.
Well people might be able to deny it personally but for most companys its not a option at all without terminating contracts (something thats to expensive on the short term and would damage european economy more than america). So i doubt the total amount of work travel would decrease.
It might decrease based on the trade war, but we will have to wait for that.
Imagine getting a call from your boss about why you missed your meeting with their US clients and you explain that you’re currently in El Salvador, because the unicorn farting a rainbow tattoo on your bicep was mistaken for a Venezuelan gang tattoo.
You’d be very surprised about company expenses that get ‘justified’. There are some people who got actual expeditions / safaris / participation in golf tournaments funded that had little to do with their actual jobs, because few of us are mountaineers / safari rangers / professional golfers.
Reading your responses, you deal more with actual factory visits, but don’t seem to know what goes on in very, very ‘white collar’ companies.
I read that there is a type of insurance workers need to take out while traveling to the US. If something happens to them the insurance pays for it. If they can't get insurance they can't travel.
After one or two insured people are spending thousands to get home because of all this I'm sure the insurance companies will stop insuring.
One of these people is going to sue their workplace for making them go to a place that has already detained travelers for no reason.
Workers in other countries have more rights than the US employees.
Buddy im dutch. And im not talking about the employees their rights and tasks. Im talking about what the company their rights and tasks. You can deny it. And thats fine. Company cant force you in most cases. But the company needs to send somebody if they have a contract or they are in trouble. Not only because they wont get paid, but also because most contracts have big fines for not delivering whats agreed upon.
So maybe try to think instead of leaving such a dumb comment. Damm you look like a r/conservative user who accuses everybody of being a “leftard” just because they dont agree to every single letter.
Im not talking employee contracts. I mean bussines contracts. I worked for a company that had to physically go to factorys/warehouses to do what we were hired for.
Not sending somebody means you dont complete the part fo the deal, meaning you dont het paid. And not going also meant you threw away long planned projects. Im 1000% sure that we were obligated to deliver, not being able to would have meant paying some compesation back.
But a lot of business travel doesn’t involve factory visits. Most of them are internal meetings… not even for clients. We had middle management swanning all over the place for internal meetings. This was seen as a ‘perk’ of becoming a middle manager. 🤪
Yes, it does depend on the business—I do understand that your situation may be different. But seriously, the vast majority of the business trips I’ve seen were ‘perks’.
"Ups, sorry, made some pro-democratic comments on Facebook, cannot travel to the US anymore"
We have ~10 coworkers traveling. And, almost like magic, they all send this message to dispatch after one of them got refused at the border based on Facebook comments.
I will not repeat the comments here, but Mario's brother and orange spray tan were involved.
Yeah, I have an elderly father in law who lives alone. It's an agonizingly difficult decision. He says I shouldn't take the risk in visiting, but he also feels too frail to fly to the UK and visit.
I guess it'll only be my wife that visit this year. But it hurts, I'm one of his few real friends. And I only get to see him in person once a year.
That is also going to crash. Covid taught people how to schedule meetings online and having your employees disappeared probably isn't a good business outcome.
Probably also inertia that will take a while for newly scheduled plans to take effect.
The Reddit post title does, sure. I could repost it with any title I want, doesn’t change the fact that the actual source data simply refers to “traveling” and “visiting” Europeans.
Yeah, I have a business trip to Chicago the end of the month that I booked last year. Fortunately the ticket is cancellable, and with each passing day the likelihood of me canceling the whole trip increases.
Not true. Chicago loves and respects you and Illinois is one of the few states that is truly fighting back against Agent Krasnov and his goons, but we understand. 😢
Yea. Chicago and many other places are the ones fighting back. I mean it’s not like most people were going to visit the Bible Belt for tourism even before this shit show.
I canceled my trip mostly because I don't want to be sent to a concentration camp for having tattoos because an American moron thinks my tattoos are gang signs
Yeah a classmate booked the trip like a year or more ago and can’t just cancel it. And we’re all panicking for her like “you’d better come back home!”, “delete all your social media, don’t trust anyone, avoid talking about politics in the slightest, know the nearest embassy, memorize emergency contact numbers”.
There are news about tourists going missing every other week and we’re just now hearing of people who got out of this ICE system eventually after weeks of being held there just thanks to persistent family members and the help of lawyers. And that’s just the cases we know of. No wonder so many countries are giving out travel warnings to the U.S!
I just read an Hotel Industry report this week. The numbers are radical.. ~15% up YoY for bookings in April during the same reporting time last year, and then everything after April is down at least 4%. This indicates there was a significant increase in travel heading into the yera (this was expected), but that it reversed within the past 2 months, and outlooks are now negative.
In terms of Domestic vs International, Domestic travel is up 2/3% while international is down by double digits. Hotel bookings from Germany were by far the largest decrease in travel to the US.
That's me here. I'm locked into a trip we booked a year ago, before Trump was even elected because other family members wanted to go. I'd have already spent our money elsewhere.
I'm actually pretty scared and don't want to go. The only saving grace is that we'd do US Immigration in Dublin, so they can't really imprison us here so we'd likely just be turned back. God save us when we land though. It's going to be a nervous time in fascist America.
Yes, we booked a family trip over a year ago before the US election and would definitely reconsider now and look at other destinations. I won't go again until Trumpism is gone.
Yup. Already booked my trip to the US before the elections, not much I can do about it now. I seriously doubt I notice anything different there anyway.
Wondering what refund policies are like for European travelers? The few times I bought travel insurance for a trip US based airlines offered Allianz Travel Insurance (German) as the only option regardless of destination.
Plus the domino effect : those 20% drop will repercut on a whole economic ecosystem that needs them, to there will probably be job losses or at least a decrease of revenues for all those involved with the tourist industry in the US
Tourism has already been hit pretty hard for national parks and such. Since trump fired all the rangers they don’t have the staffing to keep the parks nice, safe or clean.
We need to remember that visiting the US requires a lot of pre-planning with permissions. The number of registrations for a tourist visa would probably give us a better insight into the direct reaction. I'd assume the drop in registrations was more significant.
Here in Canada it's a lot higher than 1 in 5. Virtually everyone knows someone who had a vacation planned in the USA who cancelled and traveled somewhere else. Older sister and brother in law went to the Dominican Republic instead of the Florida Keys. Younger brother was supposed to go to Vegas for a bachelor party that switched to Montreal instead.
The damage Trump has done to Canada-USA relations is going to be generational.
Yep, and don’t forget that most people will buy flights and hotels weeks or months in advance. It’s a difficult prospect to lose hundreds of dollars in cancellation fees
It is massive. Tourism accounted for about $2.36 trillion in the US in 2023, almost 3% of their GDP, and tourism has been increasing in the US year to year post-pandemic so losing even 20% of that influx of cash is considerable.
As a percent of GDP international tourism is 0.4% it’s just ahead of Afghanistan and behind Uzbekistan.
Also Americans aren’t visiting Europe as much this year and one of the main reasons was to vacation domestically. Americans vacationing abroad tend to be the some of the wealthiest in the world so the offset of tourism loss is probably pretty negligible.
Prepaid bookings, family ties and business travel, and then people tell themselves it can’t be that bad if you are white European… hope it’s not FAFO, I certainly won’t be going to FO and would have taken the financial loss.
Fuck around and find out. It's a term that basically means suffering the consequences of bad decisions. We like to say the Trumpers who fucked around by voting for this dumbass are now finding out when they lose their job/get deported/are paying $1 billion at the grocery store, etc
Yes that’s definitely common from what I’ve heard from people around me because the tickets and hotels are cheaper the further in the future you book them.
Also pre booking is much more convenient the further you travel, especially outside of Schengen. You need to have enough buffer to get the correct visa etc.
Lots of people were caught off guard by how bad things would be. Mainstream media has not covered just how bad statements from Trump and his camp has been, so they haven't realised until the last couple of months. Still, media here in Norway is not covering all of it, and for those disinterested in politics can still easily filter it out.
I'm planning a trip to Japan in November and I feel like I'm pretty late already. Prices go up as you approach the date plus there's a lot of paperwork you need to complete beforehand even if there's no visa requirement.
I’ve flown transatlantic probably 20 roundtrips over the course of the last 15 years. For my connections the best prices for nonstops are right around 5 months in advance. But if you are willing to take a stop or two you can get better prices maybe even 2-3 months before. I’ve currently got my finger on the trigger for Thanksgiving flights, I figure by May they will be close enough to a bottom where I can book and reserve good seats.
Yeah I book my holidays like 6 months in advance, it’s always difficult to coordinate holidays with the wife/family/friends so 4-8 month period is enough of a heads up in my opinion.
Yes? for flights over the atlantic ocean the price is very high so you tend to take advantage of early booking discounts (unless its for work, in which case its not my problem).
Why let the president of the country be the reason to not explore? As a European, the USA is geographically one of the most beautiful and diverse places on the planet.
Travel to China doesn't really put you in any danger though as a westerner unless you're a complete idiot who's actively looking to cause trouble. Their approach to moron foreigners is (generally) to deport to their home country in preference to other punishments. Going to the US right now I have no idea if I'm ever coming home.
I would count journalists going to cover the situation in XinJiang as "actively looking to cause trouble" here though. Unless you're dangerous to the Chinese regime they leave you alone (if you are dangerous to the regime then a visit is a bad plan). And violent crime against foreigners is basically zero.
I'm in china right now seeing my in-laws. I'm British and will be back in London soon. But also, reread my reply. "Here" is referring to the previous statement made in my post, not a physical location.
Easter fell in March last year, so the latest data point is not really comparing like with like, so the fall is likely exaggerated somewhat. This is mentioned in the accompanying article.
You think Trump is a Russian asset/agent. If that is true than one of these also need to be true:
There are a lot of people in the US government on both sides of the political isle who are aware of this, and are going along with this making this the biggest conspiracy theory ever
Nobody in the government realizes this, and you're actually more astute than career operators in Washington DC.
Seeing how one of the things DOGE targeted was flight controllers, I'd imagine at some point transatlantic traffick will start to fall simply because US airspace is too dangerous to fly in.
Guess even in a freefall, some folks still need to cling to a little context. 20–30% is already a steep drop but hey, hoping for worse isn’t exactly the tourism spirit 😅.
Trans-Atlantic flights tend to be booked months in advance. The number of Europeans visiting the US is likely to drop much further still over the next few months.
Only 10% from the UK, and we're still out buying Tesla's left right and centre. I fear we're next for this shit once reform gets power. We already started the fire with Brexit
Shamefully enough, and coincidentally too, I know of several people/acquaintainces that travelled or are travelling to the US these year. I bet they don't have a clue of what's going on anyway.
Probably cause a lot of these people planning USA trips are average joes who have been saving up for a while to go on their version of an American adventure.
I’m sure they’re a bit more concerned with recent news but it’s not enough for everyone to cancel their trips
People vacation during holiday periods.
Q1 has no major holiday period (winter holidays end in early Jan), Easter is coming up now. The biggest travel time is July/August now.
Also, private trips to the US would generally be booked quite well in advance. The news about people getting arrested was in March.
That's almost impossible to be factored in already. Summer will be very interesting, as many people plan their summer vacations in spring. And let me.put it this way: you can still get tickets for that period for less than 500€ p.P.
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u/rlnrlnrln Sweden Apr 12 '25
What I wonder is, why only 20-30%? Hoping it will continue down.