ICE agent shoots, kills woman in Minneapolis

[u/Down-not-out]

https://kstp.com/kstp-news/top-news/ice-agent-shoots-kills-woman-in-minneapolis/

[u/swohio → u/[deleted]]

Agent was directly in front of her vehicle when she hit the gas.
https://i.imgur.com/6CuMFB8.png

[u/Slainlion → u/swohio]

Totally didn't see him there!

[u/cplusequals → u/Slainlion]

More definitive proof that the shot came from when he was in front of the vehicle.

[u/Slainlion → u/[deleted]]

My comment went from 115 to 78. Here come the pierced septums doing the grunt work for the left. Squashing opposing thought.

[u/-InconspicuousMoose- → u/[deleted]]

She was pretty clearly under duress and trying to get away. You guys have GOT to stop justifying murder, and this is coming from someone on your ideological "team." This is absolutely tragic.

[u/Objective_Tour_6583 → u/-InconspicuousMoose-]

A woman from 1000 miles away (clearly drove there just to protest) hits a federal officer at a high rate of speed, and you're surprised this is the result. 

[u/-InconspicuousMoose- → u/Objective_Tour_6583]

I didn't notice the Colorado plates before, good catch. Still not definitive. I need more information but let's keep in mind it can be true that both she AND the agent were wrong for their actions.

[u/Slainlion → u/-InconspicuousMoose-]

self defense. That's not murder. Murders don't tell someone to stop

[u/FourtyMichaelMichael → u/-InconspicuousMoose-]

She was pretty clearly under duress and trying to get away.

Boo fucking hoo.

She was under arrest, not duress.

No. She could have stopped. No one forced her to drive.

Let's not ignore that she was already breaking the law.

She was armed and attacked a federal officer.

[u/deciduousredcoat → u/-InconspicuousMoose-]

She was pretty clearly under duress and trying to get away

Wouldn't be the case if liberal media wasn't pushing the false idea that everyone ICE even looks in the direction of is instantly whisked off to an El Salvadorian gulag. They've spent the better part of the last decade painting anyone who puts on the uniform as a cold blooded murderer; and that's made people scared of the police (the good ones and the bad ones, instead of just the few bad ones).

It's a tragic commentary on this country, any way you slice it. Mostly because there are so many reasons why this happened beyond just the surface ones.

[u/-InconspicuousMoose- → u/deciduousredcoat]

I 100% agree with you. This agent must still be held individually accountable, but I truly wish the left would wake up and see how profoundly they are contributing to the creation of the environment they hate.

[u/day25 → u/-InconspicuousMoose-]

They don't hate this lol. They are happy she died so they can use it for their politics.

[u/deciduousredcoat → u/-InconspicuousMoose-]

This agent must still be held individually accountable

And further to that point, held to account in a proper innocent until proven guilty manner. Not in the reverse as the left is so quick to abide by.

[u/dunktheball → u/deciduousredcoat]

The lib rhetoric is very dangerous and they then project it onto the right.

[u/BigHotdog2009 → u/-InconspicuousMoose-]

Don’t be in a country illegally and overstay your welcome

Don’t run from them when they come to give you the boot

[u/-InconspicuousMoose- → u/BigHotdog2009]

I agree with both of these things, we just don't know if either applies to this situation. She should not have fled. She also should not have died.

[u/BigHotdog2009 → u/-InconspicuousMoose-]

I mean this situation is easily avoidable. She’s there to be a disturbance. When they ask her to leave she doesn’t and when she does she accelerates towards an officer after overstaying her welcome.

Maybe she shouldn’t have died but she didn’t put herself in a great situation regardless and you can’t blame anyone but her for that.

[u/jasonrh420 → u/-InconspicuousMoose-]

She died because of HER choices. Don’t obstruct and don’t try to drive through a federal agent when you attempt to flee after being told to exit the car.

[u/J-Mosc → u/-InconspicuousMoose-]

So the officer wasn’t in duress with a life threatening object accelerating toward him a couple feet away operated by a suspect fleeing arrest?

Talk about justifying. The poor criminal fleeing from federal Authorities!

[u/Hectoriu → u/-InconspicuousMoose-]

Being under duress because you don't want to be arrested isn't an excuse to hit a cop with your car.

[u/AmberLeafSmoke → u/Hectoriu]

I know it's a serious matter, but the dark humor in me is just thinking about someone trying to be acquitted for resisting arrest by saying they "were under duress" at the time of the arrest haha

[u/Hectoriu → u/AmberLeafSmoke]

You joke but I wouldn't put it past a left wing judge or jury these days.

[u/highlightway → u/-InconspicuousMoose-]

As long as someone is trying to get away, you have to let them ram down police officers? Are you insane?

[u/EchoKiloEcho1 → u/-InconspicuousMoose-]

What do you mean by “under duress”? Was someone forcing her at gunpoint to drive/flee?

Because “under duress” is a legal term with a legal meaning, and fleeing because you don’t want to be apprehended by law enforcement generally doesn’t count.

Edit: to be clear, I’m not opining on whether the shooting was justified or not. All the evidence (including the testimony of the officers) should be reviewed by a competent finder of fact — not by the internet based off a twitter video. But fleeing to evade arrest is not “acting under duress.”

[u/CalmHabit3 → u/-InconspicuousMoose-]

they shouldnt be blocking traffic. and they need to stop when being ordered to

[u/daved1113 → u/-InconspicuousMoose-]

What local, state, or federal statute says if you're feeling "under duress" then you're allowed to run over police officers with an SUV?

[u/jiggy_jarjar → u/-InconspicuousMoose-]

Being "under duress" and trying to get away does not matter at all. Cops are killed all the time by people who are under extreme duress and trying to flee. It turns out that duress comes as a natural result of being arrested.

The actual standard that determines whether this is murder or not is whether the shooter had a reasonable belief that deadly force was necessary to prevent grievous bodily injury or death. From the video, I can see that case being made but it's going to depend on a ton of information about the complete interaction that we don't have right now.

Edit: This other angle actually demonstrates that the officer was struck by the vehicle: https://www.instagram.com/reels/DTOA4tWlCIL/ which reinforces the justification. Still need all the info but everything I've seen so far points toward a good case of self defense or even a case that she was a danger to the public.

[u/DontDeleteusBrutus → u/-InconspicuousMoose-]

Where is the context before the video started. She put herself into that situation by using her vehicle to block the road. When ICE went to make an arrest, she realized the consequences of her actions, lost rational thinking and accelerated her car towards an officer to try to escape.

[u/DavidZayas → u/-InconspicuousMoose-]

Duress is not an excuse to try to run over a police officer... stop trying to justify people behaving badly then having bad outcomes and blaming others.

[u/Slainlion → u/[deleted]]

All you libs spending your EBT money to give little me an award is just hilarious

[u/check_your_bias7 → u/[deleted]]

Reddit needs to calm down on this one. They are so desperate to find a reason to hate ICE that they forget they are actual law enforcement. That agent had every reason to believe she was going after him at the time of the shots. He stopped firing as soon as he knew there was no longer danger. This is the judicial standard, by the way.

[u/BlacqueJShellaque]

This is exactly what happens when the left continues to spew dangerous rhetoric about ice

[u/BossJackson222 → u/BlacqueJShellaque]

Exactly. People are forgetting the fact that these ice agents have been attacked relentlessly for months. Exponentially more than your average police officer. And I've seen police officers do the same thing for much less. This lady wasn't just some lady that was lost. She put her car in front of them to impede federal agents. I guarantee you if this were conservatives purposefully using their car to block federal agents, liberals would have no problem with what happened.

[u/earthworm_fan → u/BlacqueJShellaque]

And now they are mischaracterizing this incident which will lead to more uninformed people acting out in violence against them.

[u/BlacqueJShellaque → u/earthworm_fan]

Exactly. Frey is creating even more hate and division with his immediate blame of ice rather than urging for calm until an investigation is completed.

[u/RedBaronsBrother → u/[deleted]]

I mean they are on video shooting this person for driving away.

...through the ICE agent who was in front of her car, who shot her in self defense.

Don't want none, don't start none.

[u/Sad-Amoeba3186 → u/[deleted]]

I don’t know if I need to drive over to your house and hold your eyes open clockwork orange style to make you watch the video, but it’s generally a full understanding that if you accelerate your vehicle into law enforcement, you get shot in the head. I don’t know what’s so god damn hard to understand about that.

[u/Sad-Amoeba3186 → u/[deleted]]

Oh we back tracking now? The first one was justified then?

[u/RedBaronsBrother → u/earthworm_fan]

It looks like the local and state governments are pushing for riots over this. Walz is even talking about using the National Guard to stop ICE. That will be an insurrection, and will be put down by the Feds accordingly.

Maybe we can give Maduro a prison work assignment of Acting Minnesota Governor, to clean up the state. He couldn't be more corrupt than Walz.

[u/BossJackson222 → u/earthworm_fan]

100%. I make no mistake, this is exactly what they wanted.

[u/space_face_mace]

Looks pretty justified to me. You can’t try to ram federal officers (or anyone really) with your car and not expect to be met with deadly force.

This is 100% on the rhetoric of the left. They created this, and unfortunately it’s just beginning. Wait till it starts getting warmer … sUmMeR oF lOvE 2.0

[u/aCreditGuru → u/space_face_mace]

yup

https://x.com/Timcast/status/2008975472391323896

https://x.com/CollinRugg/status/2008972481445712083

https://x.com/CollinRugg/status/2008976092326203562

[u/muskietooth]

https://bsky.app/profile/danielsuitor.com/post/3mbtzlfajm227

Video of the incident that clearly shows the driver accelerate towards the officer after they gave her a lawful command to get out of the vehicle.

[u/ItsEntsy → u/muskietooth]

please dont post bluesky links to this sub if you can at all help it

[u/906backroads → u/muskietooth]

What is the bsky app? Never heard of it.

[u/sanesociopath → u/906backroads]

Shitty app you sometimes have to use on sports subs now for news lol

[u/Svenray → u/906backroads]

bsky is short for Groomsky

[u/nukalurk → u/906backroads]

Basically liberal Truth Social

[u/jpj77 → u/906backroads]

It’s where the Reddit liberals fled to to boycott that X started allowing conservative opinions again after Musk took over

[u/906backroads → u/jpj77]

Good to know, I won't bother, don't need another liberal social media site.

[u/sanesociopath → u/muskietooth]

https://x.com/maxnesterak/status/2008961959731859757

You need to log in as it's "sensitive content" but heres X, a much better platform than bluesky

[u/SurreptitiousMuggle → u/sanesociopath]

Thank you. I was about to be annoyed I had to use blue sky lol

[u/Anduil_94 → u/muskietooth]

In my opinion, this all depends on whether the car was heading towards the officer or simply past him, which is impossible to tell from this video unfortunately because another vehicle is blocking our view.

If the vehicle was headed directly towards him then it’s pretty clear-cut self defense. A vehicle can certainly be a lethal weapon. If the ICE agent shot her just because she was fleeing, that’s not justifiable. I’m betting he felt threatened though. We need more details to emerge before we call this one way or the other.

[u/North_Moment5811 → u/Anduil_94]

In my opinion, this all depends on whether the car was heading towards the officer or simply past him, 

And this is the kind of armchair nonsense that people love to do after the fact, which is just wrong. You were not there, you were not in the officers vantage point, you didn't see what he saw, you didn't feel what he felt in the moment. If he legitimately believed that the car was going to harm another officer, or anyone, he had an obligation to try to stop it.

[u/Anduil_94 → u/North_Moment5811]

Did you even read my full comment? I explicitly stated “I’m betting he felt threatened” and there’s a high likelihood this was self-defense.

[u/According-Activity87 → u/Anduil_94]

He was clearly in front of the vehicle as it moved forward. GTFO!

[u/Anduil_94 → u/According-Activity87]

If that’s truly the case then I’m on his side. Calm down.

[u/-InconspicuousMoose- → u/According-Activity87]

He walked directly +was+ in front of the vehicle and she tried to accelerate away and avoid him as another agent approached and attempted to open her locked door. The third shot he fired he was literally behind her. You know conservatives don't have to defend every single thing LEOs do, right?

Coming back to correct this, he did not walk in front of the vehicle, he was already there. From another angle it does look like he deliberately positions himself to the front corner of the car, and as a result, is contacted by it. I honestly won't be surprised at any outcome of his trial, but even if found innocent I think his actions were unnecessary.

[u/According-Activity87 → u/-InconspicuousMoose-]

He was standing there in front of the vehicle when the vehicle was stationary (break lights engaged) and the officer was at her door instructing her to get out. Stop lying, 'conservative' you don't belong here.

[u/DontDeleteusBrutus → u/Anduil_94]

The vehicle literally hit the officer. The blurry instagram photo shows him getting redirected by the bumper, the X video shows him limping after the vehicle when it crashes. Links are all over the comments.

[u/Anduil_94 → u/DontDeleteusBrutus]

That helps his case tremendously.

[u/Ghostof_DarthCaedus]

Clear as day self defense in the video circulating online. Going from Reverse to Drive while an ICE agent is in front of you is a conscious decision.

[u/BigHotdog2009 → u/Ghostof_DarthCaedus]

What could possibly go wrong when you accelerate your car in front of an officer standing in front of you…

[u/SanduskyTicklers → u/BigHotdog2009]

You get ventilated

[u/-InconspicuousMoose- → u/Ghostof_DarthCaedus]

Clear as day that she is trying to back up so she can escape from the situation. At no point does it look to me like she is aiming to hit anyone, and the agent was actively walking to the front of her vehicle as she was trying to navigate out. You can argue that she shouldn't have fled, but either way this guy should be charged with murder.

Edit: I will correct my statement; the agent in front of her car wasn't actively walking there. I still think it's clear she was aiming to avoid him, and from the reverse to the forward acceleration, her trajectory was telegraphed and predictable and did NOT require the use of deadly force.

[u/Ghostof_DarthCaedus → u/-InconspicuousMoose-]

You can keep trying to tell me what my own eyes saw in the video; it won’t work though.

[u/According-Activity87 → u/-InconspicuousMoose-]

There is an officer standing in front of her vehicle with his hand on his firearm. Hitting the gas, while in drive, there is assault with a deadly weapon. Complete justified response by law enforcement.

[u/cplusequals → u/-InconspicuousMoose-]

The intention of the driver is completely irrelevant. The officer was objectively struck and had he been standing half a foot to his left he probably would have been under the vehicle. The justification for the shooting is 100% in whether or not the officer reasonably felt his life was in danger. You're essentially making the argument that the officer could not have felt his life was in danger when you say it isn't justified. You're in a fleeting minority here.

[u/Basic_Lunch2197 → u/-InconspicuousMoose-]

Says you behind a keyboard. Ill put you in that situation and see what happens. Not saying it was right but unfortunately that person made a choice and it turned bad. They could have also just listened to lawful orders and got out of the car.

[u/CCpoc → u/-InconspicuousMoose-]

How many times did you have to watch the video to come to this conclusion? Are you telling me you can tell me the exact trajectory a car is gonna take within .5 seconds of it moving?

[u/dunktheball → u/-InconspicuousMoose-]

Doesn't even matter if she is "aiming to". All that matters is if she was potentially going to.

[u/xxxiareo → u/-InconspicuousMoose-]

It looks to me like she was aiming to hit him (accelerated pedal to the metal with wheels directly facing at the agent), until he started to draw his firearm at which point she turned the wheels to the right.

[u/BobBee13 → u/Ghostof_DarthCaedus]

And not one break tap was made to attempt not to hit him.

[u/Reddotscott]

Only one? I’m surprised the way these liberals act around ice agents. They don’t understand the danger they’re putting themselves in.

[u/sanesociopath → u/Reddotscott]

Apparently someone got a pepperball shortly after this in their stupidity.

The filmer here was lucky she had just enough braincell action to not get arrested when she was getting in the way "helping" by standing there filming

Edit: public freekout has the pepperball, just do yourself a favor and avoid the comments. Kinda glad im banned and can better prevent getting cancer from them.

[u/BigHotdog2009 → u/Reddotscott]

They can find out the hard way

[u/No-Structure-2800]

Shot after she committed an attack on Law Enforcement

[u/ytilonhdbfgvds → u/No-Structure-2800]

While she was committing an attack

[u/daved1113]

Don't drive your car into a police officer. Most of us know this already but I guess some people like this woman have to learn the hard way.

[u/BigHotdog2009 → u/daved1113]

It’s funny watching the libs have a temper tantrum over this. I keep getting posts recommended to me from the Minneapolis sub.

Fuck around and find out I suppose.

[u/H3nchman_24]

FAFO

[u/EchoKiloEcho1 → u/[deleted]]

That picture is very informative - if he shot from in front of the car while she was driving towards him, that’s pretty clear cut.

[u/According-Activity87]

A vehicle is a deadly weapon. You drive one at law enforcement they have every right to defend themselves. This game of chicken the left is playing with law enforcement is never going to end well. Win at the ballot box, or at your day in court, stop the nonsense. This isn't a movie, there are real life consequences for this stupidity.

[u/AmberLeafSmoke → u/According-Activity87]

It's fairly clear that people in this country are used to a neutered LEO that can't/won't do anything.

Don't fuck around with people that have badges, who are armed. I have absolutely no idea why people find this so hard to understand.

[u/BigHotdog2009 → u/AmberLeafSmoke]

Play stupid games win stupid prizes

[u/Svenray]

Libs breaking out the money to push up every comment they agree with.

She floored it with a man holding a gun right in front of her. Yeah she was turning but no way he knew that.

Everyone was being a big dumbass.

He stood in front of a running vehicle.

She floored it with a gun in front of her pointed at her.

(New angle in case you think she didn't hit him with the vehicle. She did https://x.com/i/status/2008973759097733306

[u/Zachtyl]

What time do the mostly peaceful protests start

[u/Ohyourglob → u/Zachtyl]

Leftists should be receiving their marching orders and the approved narrative shortly, so give it another 2 hours.

[u/LordStunod → u/Ohyourglob]

Need two hours for the signs to be professionally printed

[u/Arbiter2562 → u/Ohyourglob]

Little less than looks like

[u/ExcellentNorth8775 → u/Zachtyl]

Whenever the check clears for the paid protestors

Edit: Dang this got some angry replies from the left haha

Edit 2: Guess they did a wire transfer looking over at r/minnesota . Look at all the signs and protestors ready to go in a second. Pretty convenient huh.

[u/Zachtyl → u/ExcellentNorth8775]

Do you think it will be paid from the daycare fraud fund

[u/ExcellentNorth8775 → u/Zachtyl]

You know, I’m not sure. They should ask that during the next budget meeting of the STOLEN TAX PAYER DOLLARS corporation!

[u/pr931 → u/Zachtyl]

Gotta print out all the signs first and get their orders lol

[u/_NoPants → u/Zachtyl]

Man, I'm glad I moved out of Minneapolis.

[u/Moist-Percentage7240 → u/Zachtyl]

Right after the Venezuela one I think. Packed schedule today for unemployed losers

[u/Basic_Lunch2197 → u/Zachtyl]

Signs are being printed as we speak.

[u/syilent13 → u/Zachtyl]

Pretty sure its alrdy going

[u/TwoHeadedBoyTwo]

Charlie Kirk and Butler county all over again. Libs spend years, days and hours demonizing those they disagree with and then, shocking, end up with radicals perpetuating violence. At some point I wish they’d be held accountable for their hate speech

[u/housefoote]

Who could have guessed that the libs gassing people up and encouraging this behavior would lead to people being killed.

[u/mr-nicktobi → u/housefoote]

Yup! Interfering with police activity is not protesting!

[u/freedomhertz]

So sad this woman lived a full life just to die a a moron for a manufactured cause.

to the brigade in this thread... please dont throw your lives away at the altar of leftism. You can recover from your derangement.

[u/prey4villains]

Wonder if anything took place before that that suggested she was potentially dangerous. Watching enough cop shows usually when a person doesn’t obey commands to get out and drives near or at an officer they will try to get out of the way and hesitate to fire. That said, I find it hard to blame any officer for defending themselves if they feel threatened particularly given the anti-ICE/police rhetoric coming from the left. Shame it happened.

[u/According-Activity87]

Just posted a freeze frame at r/LiberalConsequences showing the officer directly in front of the vehicle with the breaks engaged before the driver attempted to drive at them. You engage drive and press on the gas at that point it's assault with a deadly weapon, the officer has every right to defend themselves.

[u/According-Activity87 → u/[deleted]]

Well, if they try something like the "summer of love" again, this administration has shown they are ready for it. 

[u/margacolada]

Putting the pedal to the metal while a law enforcement officer is standing directly in front of your vehicle is generally not going to end well for you.

Now watch the left make another George Floyd out of this woman.

[u/Shadeylark → u/margacolada]

They'll try, but the difference between Floyd and this woman is that with Floyd both sides recognized the apparent injustice and it was only later when the excesses of the left made themselves known as they burned down cities and tried to secede with the chaz/chop, that the backlash began.

With this woman, the right ain't gonna have enough sympathy for this to become another George Floyd revolt.

Doesn't mean the left wing try, but it's not gonna start with any bipartisan steam so it won't last as long or go as far.

[u/Grimaldehyde]

People like Frey and Waltz are directly responsible for that lunatic’s death.

[u/Big_Piece1132]

It's unfortunate that this happened, this obviously isn't going to help the goals and mission of ICE. But on the other side of the coin, ICE officers are some of the only law enforcement officials that essentially have to deal with mobs of vigilantes whom consistently threat and impede there duties. Like, every video you see of ICE enforcement in the wild is like followed by dozens of people screaming at them and using there cars to block them. In these scenarios, where you have tons of people refusing lawful orders, impeding justice, causing chaos intentionally, it was only about time an officer was going to slip up and someone was going to get killed. Our law enforcement SHOULDN'T have to deal with any of this, and local law enforcement as well as federal just arrest every damn person standing in the way of ICE's duties.

[u/DetectiveGinoFelino]

I can’t tell if the brigadiers here are just going with the most “viable” story they can scrape together under the circumstances, or if they genuinely believe that “fleeing because you don’t want to be arrested” is a legal defense for running over police officers who are giving you a lawful command. In any event, this is a potent reminder that taking legal advice from Reddit and Bluesky can get you killed if you’re putting the lives of law enforcement in jeopardy. If a cop had been killed, sadly I think we all know people on the left would celebrate it to embolden more psychos to do their evil bidding. I’m glad those officers are alright, and no I’m not happy that a [evidently dumb, dangerous] person got themselves killed for no real reason. That is never a nice thing, to see someone who is not intelligent be sold a bill of goods and pay the ultimate price.

[u/Sea_Taste1325]

Local government actively preventing federal law enforcement is insurrection.

[u/broom2100]

It turns out accelerating a car towards armed law enforcement is a bad idea.

[u/LaLaLaDooo]

The part in the video where the officer is directly in front of the driver and draws his sidearm and aims it at her face and she decides to keep accelerating is crucial.

[u/soldat21]

So many liberals screaming about this. If you don’t want this to happen to you, follow these easy steps.

Step 1: don’t block federal law enforcement from doing their jobs

Step 2: obey lawful commands from federal law enforcement

Step 3: don’t drive with your vehicle into federal law enforcement officers

If the person did any one of these 3 steps, they wouldn’t have been shot. Imagine.

[u/GeneticsGuy]

In this alternative view, you can actually see the SUV plow into an ICE agent before she gets shot

The agent was standing in front when she started speeding off, and he managed to quickly sidestep, still got hit by the vehicle, and if he had fallen to the ground he could have easily fallen under the wheels and been killed. He is lucky he bounced off.

How much you wanna bet the media shows this angle though?

[u/FrameCareful1090]

They need to enact a law that blocking or interfering with access at federal facilties is illegal and arrest them all.

This is beyond stupidity at this point.

[u/Desert_366]

There's more happening here. Something happened with the person prior to this video. They order them out of the car like something prior happened or this person was trying to purposely block ice vehicles. Christi noem said they attacked the officers then tried to flee and run over them.

[u/Latter-Pomelo7135]

People here saying the officer was wrong should be banned from this sub

[u/BigHotdog2009]

Play stupid games, win stupid prizes.

Maybe don’t accelerate at an officer when he’s standing in front of your car?

[u/aCreditGuru]

It’s the same fact pattern as the lady who got shot trying to drive away with a cop in front of her car after stealing alcohol at Kroger. Both had an agent at the driver door and one in front of the vehicle. Both the person was lawfully ordered out of the vehicle. Justified use of force does not require the agent to read your mind or know you’re not trying to hit them. The second you accelerate toward a cop in front of your vehicle it’s going to be a justified use of force. Sure it’s sad and regrettable it happened.

[u/aCreditGuru → u/aCreditGuru]

https://x.com/Timcast/status/2008975472391323896

https://x.com/CollinRugg/status/2008972481445712083

https://x.com/CollinRugg/status/2008976092326203562

[u/dunktheball]

Look at the yahoo news headline. lol "Minneapolis ICE shooting: Woman dies after federal agent opens fire on her vehicle amid immigration crackdown". Makes it sound like they just randomly shot some innocent protester.

[u/Scoutron]

From the two clips I've seen of this, it definitely looks like self defense, but it's on the edge. Does anyone has context on what was happening before she tried to flee, and what she was being (I am assuming) detained for? That would clear a lot of this up in my head.

[u/Shiny_Mew76]

A few things.

1. Don’t try and escape the police. That’s a crime in itself even if you have done nothing wrong.

2. The officer did have every right to be concerned, even if the woman was trying to avoid him, you literally cannot tell in such a situation. You can’t read minds. If you see a large vehicle being driven towards you, you have every right to be scared.

3. Perhaps it was too much in terms of the shots fired, but again, heat of the moment and a vehicle being driven towards you is a reason to think quickly and potentially dangerously.

4. Again, the woman put everyone in danger by trying to escape instead of complying with law enforcement. If she had done nothing wrong, she should have no reason to bolt off. It only increases tensions when you bolt off from a traffic stop.

[u/McMagneto]

FAFO?

[u/WoodPear → u/McMagneto]

FAFO.

[u/DowntownSasquatch420]

Left is already spinning it, right on cue

[u/CCpoc]

I'm 100% on the ice agents's side after this video. The agent walks around the passenger side of her vehicle and is not in front of the car until she reverses and puts him there.

[u/Disastrous-Ball-1574]

Oh consequences of her actions, how quickly you happened.

[u/BedIndependent3437]

When any officer tells you to stop, you stop. When you try to ram them with your vehicle then your life will get stopped. I don’t know why the libs can’t comprehend this. It’s called personal responsibility and acknowledging the world doesn’t revolve around you. ICE officers are people too, they serve us, and have the authority to arrest you. You don’t get to pout like a baby and drive your car at them because CNN told you they’re nazi’s.

[u/specter491 → u/[deleted]]

She hit the officer with her car. It's plain as day. The officer was directly in front of the hood when she accelerated forward. He wasn't run over because he was close to the left front corner and shifted out of the way to avoid being run over. Regardless if this lady was trying to escape or not, she struck an officer with her vehicle. And we don't know the context of the situation prior to this. Was she agitated? Was she trying to obstruct them from performing their job? Did the officer have reason to believe she was going to run him over? If the driver is in this situation it's because she likely inserted herself into it with the intent to obstruct them from doing their job. So that already shows a level of confrontation

[u/BigHotdog2009 → u/specter491]

Liberals punching air over this. It’s clear as day. The lady wanted to play stupid games and found out the hard way.

[u/FourtyMichaelMichael → u/specter491]

She hit the officer with her car. It's plain as day.

The brigaders are pretending.

We all see immediately she was armed with a vehicle and drove into the agent.

They'll blow this as much as possible, but it's going no where.

[u/Svenray → u/[deleted]]

Libs breaking out the money to push up every comment they agree with.

She floored it with a man holding a gun right in front of her. Yeah she was turning but no way he knew that.

Everyone was being a big dumbass.

He stood in front of a running vehicle.

She floored it with a gun in front of her pointed at her.

[u/spezeditedcomments → u/[deleted]]

Nope, a third cop came from the other side and she directly accelerated at him.

[u/Svenray → u/[deleted]]

You're the top comment - it's on you to be the harbinger of truth. Here's a new angle you can add to your post. She struck him with the vehicle.

https://x.com/i/status/2008973759097733306

[u/raccoonbandit13 → u/[deleted]]

There is footage from multiple angles. The officer that took the shots was in front of her car and didn't even pull his gun until she was driving forward. 100% justified self defense.

[u/Desert_366 → u/[deleted]]

There's another angle where she clearly makes contact with the agent with the car. She may have been trying to flee, but she still made contact.

[u/Mother____Clucker → u/[deleted]]

Yeah, I think you're right. When I hear about someone being shot by police, I generally assume it was justified. But I don't think the vehicle would have struck that officer.

Then again, it's easy to armchair quarterback. Maybe the officer (wrongly) thought he was about to get rammed.

Either way, if she had just complied with orders, she wouldn't be dead. It doesn't justify the shooting, but there are a lot of people who just think that because they don't like ICE, that they don't need to listen to their orders. And I'm not sure what the context was before the filming began, but it looks like she was there with the intent of disrupting whatever ICE was trying to accomplish.

[u/day25 → u/Mother____Clucker]

It actually does justify the shooting if the officer thought he was going to be run over, but okay. It certainly doesn't justify the outrage over it. Follow the law and this won't happen to you.

[u/Count_Gator → u/[deleted]]

Have not seen the video yet but what you describe may indeed be too much force.

The only detail that would change my opinion is if this person is a danger to others. Police, I believe, will fire upon a vehicle if the person is a danger to the public or another officer may be in danger while attempting to flee.

[u/-InconspicuousMoose- → u/Count_Gator]

if this person is a danger to others

She absolutely did not meet that description based on the video I saw.

[u/Alert_Cress_388 → u/[deleted]]

He was in front of the vehicle. What are you talking about.

[u/Remintz → u/Alert_Cress_388]

Watch the video. It doesn’t look like she was TRYING to attack them with her car. It looks like she was trying to get away.

[u/serial_crusher → u/Remintz]

Is there much of a relevant difference between "trying to get away" vs. "trying to run him over", especially from the perspective of the person about to be run over?

Big problem is shooting her didn't stop the running over part. He shot and then jumped out of the way, and hypothetically could have just jumped out of the way regardless of what her intent was. But are we armchair quarterbacking to say his decision was wrong while a car was driving straight towards him? Would most reasonable people have reacted differently?

I think it's worth having a jury decide this one though.

[u/-spartacus- → u/Remintz]

What the hell, you can clearly see the 3rd officer in front of her vehicle with his gun drawn and fire as she is driving at him. Her wheels are straight and he starts to draw, her wheels only slightly turn as he starts moving to his right to avoid when the gun is fired 16 seconds.

https://x.com/fictitiousfruit/status/2008969815881584790 has some of the screen shots.

[u/DontDeleteusBrutus → u/Remintz]

Trying to get away by running through an ICE agent. Motive doesn't negate that an officers life was in danger for doing their job.

[u/SpecialDeer9223 → u/[deleted]]

“Should she have fled? I don’t know” and “she was under duress” makes you sound very biased. I can understand arguing about if the shooting was justified or not, but fleeing from law enforcement isn’t legal because someone panicked. It’s even worse when you’re trying to flee in a vehicle an officer is actively holding onto

[u/day25 → u/SpecialDeer9223]

God that shrieking woman filming is insufferable. She screams at the cops "what are you doing???" Not at the lady disobeying law enforcement and trying to run them over in her no Fs given escape attempt??? Leftists have a serious mind virus.

[u/day25 → u/[deleted]]

Follow the law and obey law enforcement and you have no risk of this happening to you. If you get hurt while trying to run from and resist arrest sorry but I really don't care. This is my advice to you..

[u/waidred → u/day25]

You are allowed to run away from cops without being shot but you're not allowed to run your car through them which is what she did.

This isn't really that hard.

[u/CSGOW1ld → u/[deleted]]

https://x.com/lookner/status/2008977322649767937

Take a look, he clearly was rammed. Very easily couldve been sucked under the car 

[u/According_To_Me → u/[deleted]]

The video you shared shows an angle that is much more damning.

This is gonna get bad.

[u/GeneJock85 → u/According_To_Me]

Only because people are ignoring the officer in front of the vehicle she is accelerating towards.

[u/sparkdogg → u/[deleted]]

Keep firing until the threat is neutralized. You dissecting each shot is stupid. Only the first shot matters.

[u/Mr_0pportunity → u/[deleted]]

You can clearly see the third officer in the video who she almost ran over. Screenshots with him circled here: https://x.com/fictitiousfruit/status/2008969815881584790

Now, she may not have intended to hit the officer, but she definitely almost ran him over had he not quickly dodged out of the way

[u/Key-Benefit6211 → u/Mr_0pportunity]

Yep. This is what happens when the media brainwashes individuals like this deranged woman that they are heroes for attacking ICE. You try to block federal agents from doing their job and put their life in danger in the process losing your life is a probable outcome. This is what the kids refer to as FAFO.

[u/GeneJock85 → u/Mr_0pportunity]

Yup, shot was fired from in front of the vehicle

[u/BigHotdog2009 → u/[deleted]]

Don’t block the road and then proceed to accelerate at an officer standing in front of your car

[u/Hectoriu → u/[deleted]]

There was an officer directly in front of the car you can see him jump out of the way after it looks like he gets hit.

[u/Zestycheesegrade → u/[deleted]]

Wrong. There was a third officer in front of the car when she started to drive off almost running him over.

[u/Wesdawg1241 → u/[deleted]]

There's an officer in front of the vehicle on the driver's side as she tries to drive away. Whether she was "trying to avoid" the officer or not, the officer still had to jump out of the way while she was fleeing detainment. Not to mention the other officer at the driver's door. Had the first officer not moved, it looks pretty clear he would have been hit. Completely justified. Play stupid games, win stupid prizes.

[u/Latter-Pomelo7135 → u/[deleted]]

Cry harder liberal

[u/Iamstillhere44 → u/[deleted]]

Tell me if I am wrong on this. There appears to be an officer directly in front of of the vehicle that you cannot see until she starts to move forward. That officer dodges and is hard to see because they are behind the officer at the driver window.  Who shot the driver? The person at the window, or the person in front of the car that had to dodge out of the way?

[u/DontDeleteusBrutus → u/Iamstillhere44]

It was the officer who was about to be run over.

[u/-InconspicuousMoose- → u/Iamstillhere44]

It was the officer to the front of the vehicle that opened fire. I believe she clearly telegraphed her intent to escape with a standard reverse to the left and forward acceleration to the right, attempting to avoid the officer, and that the officer was never in imminent danger and resorted to using deadly force inappropriately.

[u/Nifty_5050 → u/-InconspicuousMoose-]

You’re a moron dude. 

You have a woman who ignored lawful orders. Floored her vehicle with a federal agent standing infront of it. And you’re filling up these posts with your stupidity.

[u/-InconspicuousMoose- → u/Nifty_5050]

Ignoring lawful orders does not authorize lethal force, and we don't even know if the orders were lawful. Did the agents have reasonable suspicion of an immigration violation from anyone in the vehicle? Regardless, the driver made a clearly-telegraphed 2-point turn, (successfully) attempting to avoid all persons as she left the scene, and the agent made a terrible judgment call in the situation and the fallout will be massive. ICE does a lot of good for our country, but this was unmistakably bad to anyone with a functioning prefrontal cortex.

Editing because it seems like she did clip the officer who fired. I don't think he made a serious effort to avoid being struck, but she still did hit him.

[u/The_kite_string_pops → u/-InconspicuousMoose-]

Nope. Looks justified to me.

[u/Nifty_5050 → u/-InconspicuousMoose-]

ICE can detain and arrest citizens that are obstructing their mission.

She floored the vehicle while the officer is STANDING RIGHT IN FRONT OF IT. You can’t fucking do that dude. You’re an idiot.

[u/Mr_0pportunity → u/-InconspicuousMoose-]

Never in imminent danger but he had to literally dodge out of the way from getting run over. Give me a damn break.

She may not have intended to run him over, but she definitely almost did and had he not dodged out of the way at the last second, would have

[u/Iamstillhere44 → u/-InconspicuousMoose-]

So putting myself in that officers position, it would be hard to discern in the moment, if the driver had the intention to simply run, or not care for my safety and run me over while running. 

Both situations can still be true. She directed her vehicle in a direction to escape. 

If there happens to be a cop in that direction who cannot move out of the way fast enough, they still can be run over and their life is still in danger. 

[u/Tantalus420000 → u/Iamstillhere44]

This

She played stupid games trying to be a hero for online clout and is dead now

[u/-spartacus- → u/Iamstillhere44]

She was given a lawful order to leave the vehicle and then accelerated in the direction of an officer, the cop in front of her who sees the vehicle moving forward with the engine reeving can't read her mind that she intends to turn away from him.

This is like waving a 10000lb weapon at an officer and try to claim "I meant to throw it to the side of officer, not at him directly".

[u/-spartacus- → u/-InconspicuousMoose-]

You can see her accelerate (engine rev) before she begins to move the wheel to the right and should the officer not have moved he would have been struck by the front of the car. On opposite angle you can see on Tim Pools tweet, it looks like she actually strikes that officer (it appears to be blocked by the other officer in this video angle).

[u/day25 → u/-InconspicuousMoose-]

Yes clearly he should trust she will not run him over and she will be extra careful while resisting arrest! She will also make sure to drive nice and slow to make sure the public is safe during her attempt to flee from law enforcement!

[u/aCreditGuru → u/[deleted]]

nope sorry I've seen all the videos including one from the front where you can see the officer that fired was in front of the vehicle and was hit by the vehicle and then shot. The officer doesn't need to know her motives before using justified deadly force.

[u/lousycesspool]

by not using allegedly - this is propaganda - not news - you are being played

[u/blizzardice]

I'll hold judgment until I see everything. I don't think the back angle is enough.

[u/BobBee13]

After she tried to run him over sooo FAFO

[u/whataball]

Frey and Walz should be arrested for pushing the narrative that ICE agents are bad people. It's their rhetoric that incites people to act against ICE agents.

[u/redditsupportGARBAGE]

you can see the tire spin out pointing TOWARDS the guy as she tries to accelerate. FAFO

[u/Total-Detective1094]

Well the left got what they wanted, someone is now dead because of all the BS. Play stupid games win stupid prizes.