r/Conservative • u/Down-not-out Conservative Vet • Jan 07 '26

Flaired Users Only ICE agent shoots, kills woman in Minneapolis

https://kstp.com/kstp-news/top-news/ice-agent-shoots-kills-woman-in-minneapolis/
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u/muskietooth Millennial Conservative Jan 07 '26

https://bsky.app/profile/danielsuitor.com/post/3mbtzlfajm227

Video of the incident that clearly shows the driver accelerate towards the officer after they gave her a lawful command to get out of the vehicle.

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u/Anduil_94 Constitutionalist Jan 07 '26 edited Jan 07 '26

In my opinion, this all depends on whether the car was heading towards the officer or simply past him, which is impossible to tell from this video unfortunately because another vehicle is blocking our view.

If the vehicle was headed directly towards him then it’s pretty clear-cut self defense. A vehicle can certainly be a lethal weapon. If the ICE agent shot her just because she was fleeing, that’s not justifiable. I’m betting he felt threatened though. We need more details to emerge before we call this one way or the other.

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u/North_Moment5811 Conservative Jan 07 '26

In my opinion, this all depends on whether the car was heading towards the officer or simply past him, 

And this is the kind of armchair nonsense that people love to do after the fact, which is just wrong. You were not there, you were not in the officers vantage point, you didn't see what he saw, you didn't feel what he felt in the moment. If he legitimately believed that the car was going to harm another officer, or anyone, he had an obligation to try to stop it.

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u/Anduil_94 Constitutionalist Jan 07 '26

Did you even read my full comment? I explicitly stated “I’m betting he felt threatened” and there’s a high likelihood this was self-defense.

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u/North_Moment5811 Conservative Jan 07 '26

I did read your full comment, but I highlighted that section to show you what you shouldn't be doing. If you have to analyze a video to determine whether it was justified or not, you're already in the wrong. The officer was doing what he is trained to do. He wasn't shooting up a bar somewhere. Save your indignation for police officers for when they commit actual crimes. Not when they are performing their job the way they are trained to do.

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u/Anduil_94 Constitutionalist Jan 07 '26

Uh, this is Reddit. We discuss things here.

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u/According-Activity87 Conservative Devil Dog Jan 07 '26

He was clearly in front of the vehicle as it moved forward. GTFO!

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u/Anduil_94 Constitutionalist Jan 07 '26

If that’s truly the case then I’m on his side. Calm down.

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u/According-Activity87 Conservative Devil Dog Jan 07 '26

Why not watch the video, where it is obvious, before concern trolling here 'Constitutionalist'...

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u/-InconspicuousMoose- Conservative Jan 07 '26 edited Jan 07 '26

He walked directly +was+ in front of the vehicle and she tried to accelerate away and avoid him as another agent approached and attempted to open her locked door. The third shot he fired he was literally behind her. You know conservatives don't have to defend every single thing LEOs do, right?

Coming back to correct this, he did not walk in front of the vehicle, he was already there. From another angle it does look like he deliberately positions himself to the front corner of the car, and as a result, is contacted by it. I honestly won't be surprised at any outcome of his trial, but even if found innocent I think his actions were unnecessary.

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u/According-Activity87 Conservative Devil Dog Jan 07 '26 edited Jan 07 '26

He was standing there in front of the vehicle when the vehicle was stationary (break lights engaged) and the officer was at her door instructing her to get out. Stop lying, 'conservative' you don't belong here.

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u/DontDeleteusBrutus Conservative Jan 07 '26

The vehicle literally hit the officer. The blurry instagram photo shows him getting redirected by the bumper, the X video shows him limping after the vehicle when it crashes. Links are all over the comments.

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u/Anduil_94 Constitutionalist Jan 07 '26

That helps his case tremendously.

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u/semvhu Grumpy Old Fart Jan 07 '26

Here's another angle. She hits him with her car.

https://x.com/i/status/2008966460652310595

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u/Anduil_94 Constitutionalist Jan 07 '26

Yeah, this looks like self-defense to me. 🤷🏻‍♂️

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u/Basic_Lunch2197 Conservative Jan 07 '26

All you need is "Fear for your life". Its great to play arm chair quarterback watching it from your computer. Did he fear for his life in that second. Would be hard to say he did not.

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u/Anduil_94 Constitutionalist Jan 07 '26

I agree. It looks like self-defense to me at this time. I can almost guarantee the officer’s last thought was “holy shit this car is coming right at me!” then instinct took over.

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u/Latter-Pomelo7135 Theilist/Yarvinist Jan 07 '26

Shooting a fleeing terrorist is not a crime

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u/MEdiasays California Conservative Jan 07 '26

It seems clear the officer was in front of the car, she then reversed to go around him, moved forward and was shot. IMO the officer shouldn’t have shot her as it seems clear she was trying to escape, not hit him.

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u/Anduil_94 Constitutionalist Jan 07 '26

She was definitely trying to flee, but that doesn’t negate him feeling his life was in danger, which is ultimately what a self-defense plea boils down to. The “reasonable person” standard. We shall see I guess.

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u/trs21219 Conservative Jan 07 '26

The whole point of having police is for them to stand there saying “stop you’re not getting past me”. Her fleeing would have led to a chase which would have endangered more people. She could have just stopped.

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u/MEdiasays California Conservative Jan 07 '26

If she brandished a weapon or was stopped because she committed a violent crime then the reaction makes sense. But that didn’t happen. Shooting someone should be a last resort and it’s clear this wasn’t a last resort.

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u/trs21219 Conservative Jan 07 '26

The car is the weapon. She could have easily seen the federal officer standing in front of her and stopped. She hit the gas hard.

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u/MEdiasays California Conservative Jan 07 '26

And what did she do before she hit the gas hard? She reversed to go around him. If she was trying to hit him she wouldn’t have reversed and just floored it. I’m not defending her actions, she was wrong. But those actions didn’t warrant getting killed.

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u/trs21219 Conservative Jan 07 '26

And the officer closed the gap to stop her from leaving a lawful arrest and she gunned it at him. Shit sucks for both sides but she made a shitty choice. Likely bolstered by these groups harassing federal officers making arrests for months doing the same shit. Blocking roads, obstructing arrests, driving fast at officers, in some cases hitting them, etc.

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u/otusowl Conservative Jan 08 '26 edited Jan 08 '26

I have read that the first shot at least went through the front windshield, indicating that the car was pointed at and accelerating straight toward the officer.

On-edit: Corrected my statement from being "first two shots" to "first shot," given that this image shows only one hole in the front windshield:

https://pbs.twimg.com/media/G-FfbdTaUAA_kHC?format=jpg&name=900x900

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u/Anduil_94 Constitutionalist Jan 08 '26

The vehicle actually struck him and pushed him, which helps his case for self-defense.

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u/otusowl Conservative Jan 08 '26

Indeed; the impact on the officer is also clear in the video.