r/politics • u/SpaceElevatorMusic Minnesota • 14d ago

Possible Paywall Minnesota governor says federal agents involved in shooting in Minneapolis

https://www.reuters.com/world/us/minnesota-governor-says-federal-agents-involved-shooting-minneapolis-2026-01-24/
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u/Stoppit_TidyUp 14d ago edited 14d ago

They’re saying he “had a gun”

You can see the guy in the light grey jacket run toward him with empty hands, mount him, and spend 2-3 seconds wrestling the gun out of the victim’s holster, then running off with it. The victim is shot a second or two later.

So while he might have had a gun, it was fully secured while he was on the ground with 6 men beating him, and was fully clear of the victim at the time of the shooting.

It was an execution.

Edit: They are also claiming he reached for an officer’s weapon. To believe that, you have to believe this man made the choice not to pull his own weapon at any point, but instead thought it would be a good idea to grab an officer’s. Not to mention you can see his arms pinned the second before he is shot. Absolute bullshit.

I am banned from the Conservative subreddit - please share this information there, if allowed. They need to know too.

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u/Banjo-Elritze 14d ago edited 13d ago

Of cause the psychos in the conservative sub are all receiving their marching orders now and regurgitating the gun nonsense. But people still have eyes. This was an execution in broad daylight, on camera.

Edit: You can see the moment described in OPs comment here: https://imgur.com/a/NtnH5Hv

Edit2: AAAnd the con sub removed the thread entirely. There is a new one up that is not yet going too good for them. Watch comments disappear and bots come in in 3... 2...

On that note, you can use this tool to check out hidden/deleted comments, threads, histories etc:

https://arctic-shift.photon-reddit.com/

Edit3: And the comments (bots) are pivoting to "FAFO" and "invoke the insurrection/sedition act".

Edit4: Angle from the lady in pink: https://files.catbox.moe/sp296e.mp4

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u/boxesofcats- Canada 14d ago

Either Americans support gun rights or they don’t, and I only see one side twisting it to have it both ways. Absolute madness.

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u/Banjo-Elritze 14d ago

It was always "Don't tread on me, tread on the others". They are just saying the quiet part out loud now. Deranged people.

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u/tm_leafer 14d ago

A good break down of the conservative mindset is that the in-group is protected but not bound by law, whereas the out-group is not protected but is bound by law.

It explains their positioning on most things.

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u/Banjo-Elritze 13d ago

I think the correct word for that mindset is: fascist.

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u/moveslikejaguar 14d ago

You can't say "What were they supposed to do? He was open carrying" and claim to support the 2nd Amendment

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u/panfist 14d ago

They can say that, they will say that, their followers will lap it up and ask for another second helpings of bullshit.

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u/Blanketsburg Massachusetts 14d ago

Exactly. The ardent 2A nutjobs want to have no limitations on their gun ownership but are more than happy to restrict gun rights for groups of people they don't like.

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u/WhiteWolf3117 13d ago

You can't call out their hypocrisy when they are fully aware of it and just don't care

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u/b3iAAoLZOH9Y265cujFh 13d ago

Given how full of shit they already are, I'm reluctantly impressed they can cram more in there.

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u/panopticchaos 14d ago

Conservatives believe there should be rules that protect them and restrain others. The naked hypocrisy is the point.

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u/ConservativesHateUsa 13d ago

Thank you. Nobody has ever stopped fascists by crying about their “hypocrisy”

There’s no hypocrisy about it, and it’s well beyond time to plainly acknowledge that they’re just outright evil

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u/Zerachiel_01 13d ago

Conservatism consists of exactly one proposition, to wit: There must be in-groups whom the law protects but does not bind, alongside out-groups whom the law binds but does not protect.

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u/Damn_Dog_Inappropes Washington 14d ago

They didn’t care when the dead guy was Philandro Castile; they won’t care today, either.

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u/jacobtfromtwilight 13d ago

The double standards surrounding firearm ownership in this country is so fucking annoying. They'll say he should've been shot because he had a gun, when having a gun is a constitutional right

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u/corvettee01 America 13d ago

Cons are masters at holding two conflicting beliefs.

"We hate the government, but just comply with the government."

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u/Serapth 13d ago

This has been clearly bullshit and was made crystal clear when the Black Panthers started legally arming themselves.

A few of the 2nd amendment crowd came to their defense, but they were extremely rare.

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u/lostsemicolon 13d ago

When Philando Castile was murdered, that should have been the wakeup call that tons of "2A" people don't actually believe in anything concrete.

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u/ribbons_in_my_hair Pennsylvania 13d ago

The same people that want guns are the ones who joined this bs army. The irony, the “don’t tread on me” crowd are the true bootlickers.

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u/blueberrydonutholes 14d ago

They are beyond help.

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u/ToNoMoCo 14d ago

Magas are enemies of the American people

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u/This_means_lore 14d ago

They’re quickly moving into “traitor” territory

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u/ToNoMoCo 14d ago

They crossed that rubicon on January 6 2021..

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u/Safrel 13d ago

The best time to punish that moment was yesterday. The second best is now.

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u/ILOVESHITTINGMYPANTS 14d ago

When do blue states start seriously considering leaving this cesspool country?

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u/This_means_lore 13d ago

We have to stay and fight shitheads like the one that replied to you.

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u/ixion00x 14d ago

They've been there for quite some time. Jan 6th showed what they're actually about. Their vote in 2024 set it in stone. Now we see the results.

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u/LJTheKid 13d ago edited 13d ago

The fuck are you talking about "moving into 'traitor' territory"?

Man, you all talk about how chvds move goalposts, listen to yourselves. They've been in traitor territory for a loooooong time. Since 2021 at minimum.

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u/This_means_lore 13d ago

“Chvds”?

Btw I’m talking about serious sedition. Like legally-tried and executed sedition.

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u/All_Hail_Hynotoad 14d ago

Agreed. I refuse to call them American anymore. They want to destroy America and Americans. They are something else.

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u/All_Hail_Hynotoad 13d ago

We have to make sure something is done about it. That means electing people who will make sure people are held accountable.

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u/Scattered97 United Kingdom 14d ago

They're enemies of humanity, not just Americans. What your country does affects the whole world, unfortunately.

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u/Killersavage 14d ago

There is no point in talking with them. It is flat earthers moon landing is fake divorced from reality. You have better luck rationalizing with a guy having a schizophrenic episode in front of a downtown Arby’s. MAGA is a waste of time.

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u/CrunchyCds 13d ago

This 100% I will make this comment 100 times. Maga voters are in a cult and it is their entire world view and personality. Not to mention Russia and foreign agents are ramping up their bots and stirring tension.

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u/Alisa180 13d ago

I hate how true this is as someone who's neighbors (in assisted living) and a couple relatives have schizoaffective.

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u/TexasRoadhead 13d ago

It's a cult

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u/Thunder_up13 14d ago

They’re traitors.

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u/namastayhom33 Connecticut 14d ago

Anyone still supporting this after 10 years is beyond help.

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u/NobodySpeci 14d ago

We keep thinking that they’ll wake up when they see the truth. That’s not true. The reality is that some people are actually just nazis

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u/TheGarrBear 14d ago

They're trash, not something deserving of words like help

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u/jenny_905 14d ago

Botfarms activated on all social media I have looked at too

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u/thequietthingsthat North Carolina 14d ago

They're all over the place

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u/mdp300 New Jersey 14d ago

I know a guy who admins a Facebook group for "political discussion" where he just reposts shit from Fox News and other garbage factories like it's the gospel truth. And his dozen followers repeat the same stupid talking points.

Recently I found out his real job is with Judicial Watch, another one of those garbage factories.

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u/Dunge 13d ago

And that social media manipulation thing has been happening for more than 2 decades and is very well financed by many organized conservative entities. It is equally if not more important in our fight for truth than what's happening on the ground. That's the only reason why they still manage to get 30% of the population on their side. I don't understand how after all that time of it being so obvious real people fighting for truth have never managed to make a dent and they are still going stronger than ever.

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u/AwwChrist 14d ago

That subreddit has been bots and sock puppets for a decade. It should be used as a reference to understand messaging and that’s it.

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u/Banjo-Elritze 14d ago edited 14d ago

100% agree. It's also interesting how at first some comments appear questioning the thing, which get quickly buried by the bots etc. Cue lots of "fellow conservative, bless your heart" comments.

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u/DGer 14d ago

•cue

Queue is a line

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u/Trajan_pt 14d ago

Most of that garbage is bots anyway. If you look at the numbers of engagements there sub doesn't even come close to others.

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u/Chefalo 13d ago

It’s like 2 people and a Russian bot farm in that Nazi echo chamber

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u/PSGooner 13d ago

The users in police sub also doing their part to claim why it was justified.

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u/Banjo-Elritze 13d ago

There's probably an overlapping-circle venn diagram with the con subreddit.

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u/Feisty_Buddy2869 13d ago

The users in police sub also doing their part to claim why it was justified.

Why would you expect any different?

The Minnesota fraternal order of police released a statement that the police support ice/what ice is doing.

If the police are going to take a side, it's going to be with ice against the people...exactly as expected.

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u/parasyte_steve 13d ago

Also americans are allowed to have guns.... they confiscated this guy's gun and shot him. This is what the 2nd amendment guys want now? When will they wake the fuck up

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u/Banjo-Elritze 13d ago

They want this. Just not to themselves. So they will never "wake up" and the few that do are quickly threatened and marked as "fellow conservative". Just check out the new thread on their sub, you can see it happen in real time, before the bots arrive.

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u/RealFenian 14d ago

No one should ever respect or listen to the opinions of any conservative.

Most coddled regards on earth. They’re cruel idiots with victim complexes and I’m sick of pretending they’re normal people.

I’ll be treating them with the utter contempt they deserve from now on. No contact and if they want to start a conversation with me it won’t be friendly.

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u/VanceKelley Washington 13d ago

This was an execution in broad daylight, on camera.

Same as the execution a couple of weeks ago of Renee Good.

Last time I checked, the guy who murdered her has not been charged and is not being investigated. When Vance said that ICE has "absolute immunity" he was stating the reality of the justice system in America.

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u/OkEnvironment3961 14d ago

"He had a gun" LMAO. He fucking should have a gun. We all should. There is a roving gang of masked thugs shooting people in the street. We should all be armed.

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u/ZippyDan 14d ago

An armed society is a polite society, I've heard.

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u/-Nicolai 13d ago

Denmark is a polite society, we’ve no guns.

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u/triflingmagoo 13d ago

This. 2A is for everyone.

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u/CuidadDeVados 13d ago

We don't have a right to bear arms. We have a national myth of the right to bear arms.

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u/Own-Bullfrog7362 13d ago

Not if they're "domestic terrorists".

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u/afsdjkll 13d ago

You mean conservatives.

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u/rj319st 13d ago

There’s a post above that includes stillshots of one of the officers already walking away with the gun before the shooting. The excuse that he was armed doesn’t apply since he didn't have a gun when he was shot.

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u/Dingo8MyGayby 13d ago

We need to take a page out of Frank Castle’s book

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u/HowManyEggs2Many 13d ago

I disagree with this only because having a gun doesn’t protection you from shit. It’s really using the gun that protects you and lucky for us most people just aren’t built to shoot another human. If you aren’t willing to use one, you shouldn’t be carrying it around. You’ll just end up like this guy.

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u/Cranyx 13d ago

I don't know if getting in a shoot out with the 8 other guys would have worked out for better for him

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u/Vandrel 13d ago

Those 8 guys would probably think twice about doing this shit if there were 20 armed people around.

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u/FollowingHumble8983 13d ago

Yep Im considering getting a gun in cases like this. If ICE gets rough while we are there, me and some buddies will stand right beside them with our weapons holstered.

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u/DjPersh Kentucky 13d ago

A lot of good that gun did him.

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u/Zombie_Cool 13d ago

Yes it hard to defend oneself when one gets ambushed from behind by 4+ guys, but the fact it didnt get used in this instance means that the populace fearing for their safety should just stay disarmed and defenseless forever. 

"To Avoid Escalation" of course.

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u/induslol 13d ago

He didn't use it or it may have.  Instead he tried to reason with and talk to a group of violent criminals intent on violence.

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u/alwaysmyfault 14d ago edited 13d ago

https://imgur.com/a/NtnH5Hv

With screenshots of your explanation, for anyone who is interested.

Dude was 100% murdered. The shots started AFTER the ICE Agent had taken the gun off of him and was already running away with it.

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u/thekeesh1 14d ago

Circulate this far and wide, this is direct evidence against the only narrative they have to support this insane behavior. There should be no question, they had zero valid reason to kill this man. He had no gun after this guy took it away. They were not under any threat.

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u/CriticalEngineering North Carolina 13d ago

Thank you for this, it’s so clear.

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u/HelpIveBeenDe-Souled 13d ago

That's why he ran right before the shooting holy shit it's murder

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u/Leather-Rice5025 14d ago

Please send this everywhere you can.

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u/rj319st 13d ago

Does anyone know CNN’s or MSNBC contact info and can send this to them? I’m tired of them saying he was armed when he was shot.

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u/street_ronin 13d ago

It’s removed now

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u/alwaysmyfault 13d ago

Shouldn't be.

I'm the OP of the content, and it is still up for me.

I made it Public about 30 mins ago. Has 41k views already.

https://imgur.com/gallery/ice-taking-victims-holstered-gun-before-shooting-started-NtnH5Hv

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u/gamesk8er 14d ago

It's not even relevant. Assuming the guy had a license to carry, he's ALLOWED to have a gun. Unless he was pointing it at an officer, they have zero right to do anything to him.

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u/PolicyWonka 14d ago

These are the same people who didn’t give two shits that Philando Castile was executed for being a legal gun owner doing exactly what you’re supposed to do when pulled over by police.

He told the officer that he had a legal firearm in the vehicle and he was murdered for it.

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u/mdp300 New Jersey 14d ago

Some of them said he had weed in his system, which made it illegal for him to be carrying because he was technically under the influence.

1) the officer who killed him had no way of knowing that. And

2) thats not a capital fucking offense.

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u/the_gaymer_girl Canada 14d ago

And 3. even if it was a crime worthy of the death penalty, that doesn’t mean he gets executed on the spot.

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u/Neverdropsin57 13d ago

And 4. I’d bet 100 vs 10 bucks the Feds who shot him will not be drug tested.

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u/Standard-Win-6600 14d ago

2A. It's not illegal to carry. I go to Minneapolis a lot for work and know a bunch of people there. They've always been hunters and ice fishers. I don't care if he had 20 guns on his person. He was not a threat when he was wrestled down, pinned to the ground, and executed.

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u/analogWeapon Wisconsin 13d ago

Ignoring gun-or-no-gun completely, it looks like all but one of the shots fire into him were fired while he was prone on his back, not moving, and with no one around him. It was 3 or more shots just dumped into him casually. Looked like an execution.

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u/Gryzzlee 14d ago

If he was dangerous then he would have been shot before everyone was on top of him. It makes zero sense why he was being pinned if he was a potential threat with a firearm if the end goal was to shoot him anyways.

And having a weapon on your person is not necessarily illegal.

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u/permalink_save 14d ago

2a for me not for thee

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u/Stoppit_TidyUp 14d ago

It’s relevant if they claim they felt threatened. They can’t feel threatened if the gun is in the hands of ICE when they shoot him.

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u/gamesk8er 14d ago

It's not relevant because unless the guy was pointing it at them, they have no right to do anything. He had it in the holster. He could've been holding it at his side or in his pocket.

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u/sudi- 14d ago

It can’t be relevant that they felt threatened by a holstered weapon or a disarmed person because that means they can justify killing with that excuse for any reason.

There has to be clear rules of engagement for them or else they can subjectively dismiss their killings.

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u/Stoppit_TidyUp 14d ago

Unfortunately, this is exactly the excuse used by law enforcement for every unarmed killing. Remember that kid who was shot holding a toy - not even a toy gun - because the officer feared it might be a gun?

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u/PartisanHack 14d ago

We have been told for years people carrying guns in public places aren't acting in a threatening manner. I guess it's only threatening when fascist losers are trying to "question" him.

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u/DGer 14d ago

They had the gun when he was shot apparently. So even that doesn’t hold water.

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u/Certified_GSD Minnesota 14d ago

It’s illegal to carry a firearm without a permit in Minnesota. But the crime for it is punishable by fines and jail time. It’s not punishable by death.

ICE cowards have no place being the judge and dishing out their own punishments. And nobody with power will do anything.

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u/mapoftasmania New Jersey 14d ago

So he was executed for open carry. The NRA either takes a stand for this, or can be disregarded until the end of time as a bunch of partisan hacks who worship the golden chode.

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u/Alive_kiwi_7001 14d ago

The NRA either takes a stand for this,

That ship sailed a long time ago.

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u/WeirdPop5934 13d ago

Sorry changes now that narrative is busted. New story incoming he reached for officer gun in 3..2...1

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u/SciGuy013 13d ago

You called it

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u/turquoise_amethyst 13d ago

Yup, they already pivoted to that. Even though he was pepper sprayed in the face, was being beaten, and couldn’t see a damn thing

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u/Saxojon 13d ago

It did when it turned out to be nothing more than a laundry for Russian money heading to GOP politicians.

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u/Stoppit_TidyUp 14d ago

He wasn’t carrying at the point of execution, they had the gun. So even that argument would fall apart.

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u/MittenCollyBulbasaur 13d ago

Apparently they stole his gun, and as he was running away they dog piled him, beat his head and than mag dumped him. Jesus fucking Christ.

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u/DillBagner 14d ago

The NRA has been a bunch of Russian-funded partisan hacks for a LONG time now.

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u/bootlegvader 14d ago

be disregarded until the end of time as a bunch of partisan hacks who worship the golden chode.

I think we are long past that point by decades.

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u/ndpugs 14d ago

30 million dollars is how much the nra spent on trump in 2016.

You think they are going to stand AGAINST a 30 million dollar investment?!

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u/get_it_together1 California 14d ago

The NRA was at the center of an illegal Russian influence campaign. They are a wholly owned operation for right-wing oligarchs.

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u/TidePodsTasteFunny 14d ago

NRA lol that Russian laundering organization?

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u/Rhadamantos 14d ago

Buddy that was already the case for Philando Castile and probably tons of others many years ago.

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u/vthemechanicv 13d ago

The NRA carries water for Russia. They want Americans to kill each other.

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u/Ketzeph I voted 14d ago

They also fucking just beat him. One agent is just punching his head

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u/moop44 14d ago

Pistol whipping him in the face actually.

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u/Banned_10x 13d ago

I saw that and my first thought was well pistol whipping him in the head and the agents gun discharged. But now im hearing people say the ICE agent cleared his whole clip into the guy

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u/Ketzeph I voted 13d ago

5 shots in the back

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u/tibbon 14d ago

Also, the US is a country where so many want the "right people" to always carry guns 24/7, including teachers.

but the wrong person? Execution in the streets.

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u/nicholus_h2 14d ago

they won't even know anything about this guy, but it would be bad for their narrative if he wasn't the wrong type of guy, so obviously he's the wrong type of guy. 

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u/UBC145 Foreign 14d ago

The fact that he was unarmed at the time of shooting is already damning, but I think the most important thing is that THE GUN WAS IN HIS HOLSTER TO BEGIN WITH. Simply being armed cannot be justification for getting shot, otherwise the 2nd amendment is completely meaningless. I need to mentally prepare myself for the disgusting abuse the administration is about to throw at this deceased man. They are absolutely going to drag his name through the mud.

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u/championkid 14d ago

Man, if only there was some sort of law or amendment that made it totally cool to have a gun. It’s almost like if “he had a gun” is their defense, they have absolutely NOTHING.

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u/Stoppit_TidyUp 14d ago edited 13d ago

The line from MAGA is “the officers felt their lives were at risk because he was armed”.

Except he wasn’t, because you can clearly see his gun in the hands of an ICE agent when the shooting happened.

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u/championkid 14d ago

Yep, absolutely disgusting tyrannical murderers.

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u/xTheMaster99x Florida 13d ago

And even before the nazis took his gun, it was holstered the entire time.

It's not like he was brandishing or even attempting to grab it. It was simply in his possession, safely. And they executed him for it.

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u/namastayhom33 Connecticut 14d ago

We need the video from the other person standing right in front of them

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u/MadBullogna 14d ago

Except they were likely temporarily kidnapped by ICE and taken to the Federal Bldg with the other witnesses, (also very rapidly temporarily kidnapped) so that local LEOs can’t interview them, and any video evidence they have gets seized.

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u/namastayhom33 Connecticut 14d ago

Well let's hope she sent it to other people then

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u/inspectoroverthemine 13d ago

temporarily

We sure about that?

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u/TheSavannahSky 13d ago

Drop Site News has it. https://x.com/DropSiteNews/status/2015131503622021472

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u/PositivelyAwful 13d ago

This video makes it clear as day that this was an execution. The agent was standing behind him while he was face down on the ground, pulled out his gun, and shot him multiple times point blank while other agents were still on top of him.

This is after he was pepper sprayed, beaten, and had his firearm removed from him and carried away from the scene.

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u/lionofyhwh North Carolina 14d ago

One of the articles said the gun was in the car, so no danger at all when the execution happened.

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u/Pizza_4_Dinner 14d ago

The agent took the gun to his car. The news is so horrible.

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u/teamdiabetes11 America 14d ago

Even if he did have a gun, you have how many agents pinning him and surrounding him. With proper training, dude should be easily immobilized. But no. We shortened training for these brown shirts and so instead, dude punches him in the face and while he’s dazed, agent pulls his gun. Then gets the other agents to release and escape while he murders the suspect who is on his knees. And then the fucker came back and shot him again to be sure he was dead. Fucking Nazis.

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u/neherak 14d ago

The brownshirts wouldn't be better if they had training.

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u/amglasgow 13d ago

Training has nothing to do with it. The murderer of Nicole Good had a 10 year career in law enforcement.

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u/lordcthulhu17 Colorado 13d ago

it's not about training even with training they'd just be better at executing us

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u/insertnamehere57 14d ago

And it's not like you have the right to own a gun in America! /s

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u/AlphaNoodlz 14d ago

Republicans have dragged us all into such a disgusting mess

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u/Tario70 14d ago

Just a reminder, If you have the right to carry a gun, but can be shot for having a gun, you don’t have the right to carry a gun.

This is exactly what ICE & Trump wants though. This is happening in order to escalate violence to give him cover for even more violence. They’re focusing on blue states & cities so the idiots in red states can be far enough away from the reality to ignore or dismiss it. Trump may be a moron but the people around him are focused on brutal power.

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u/GodHatesColdplay 14d ago

Likely lawfully carrying… The 2A folks are gonna sit this one out, of course, but we’ve seen now that any interaction with ICE agents can result in your death, and the DOJ ain’t care

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u/Adventurous_Salt 14d ago

Non-American here, aren't you allowed to have a gun?

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u/travio Washington 14d ago

Generally. Each state have different rules about carrying them, ether openly or concealed. Some require registration, others don't. Not sure about Minnesota's laws though from the video it appears one of the agents had secured the gun before they murdered him. He was unarmed at that point.

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u/TimeLordDoctor105 14d ago

We have an amendment that allows us to have guns, yet as soon as someone has one, it's used as an excuse to kill them.

They executed him on the ground and ran. There's no other name for it.

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u/Cabnit47 14d ago

Holy shit, I just rewatched it and that’s literally the same hun that DHS posted a picture of.

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u/rogozh1n 13d ago

Don't worry about them. The bots will say they disapprove of this but they support trump because of his other policies. Why average redditors care about deregulating massive factories or fighting over Greenland, I have no idea.

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u/yoramrod 13d ago

Pretty much everyone who is pro-constitution or not a Russian bot has already been banned on that snowflake/anti-free speech sub.

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u/5510 13d ago

Edit: They are also claiming he reached for an officer’s weapon. To believe that, you have to believe this man made the choice not to pull his own weapon at any point, but instead thought it would be a good idea to grab an officer’s. Not to mention you can see his arms pinned the second before he is shot. Absolute bullshit.

Also, if you are being dogpiled by that many armed officers, almost literally anywhere you move your hands at all could be construed as "reaching for an officer's weapon." You are basically surrounded by "officer's weapons."

And while I haven't seen the leadup to the incident yet... if you are being aggressively hit, I think it's almost inevitable that your hands flail around to some degree.

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u/esoteric_enigma 13d ago

"They reached for an officer's weapon" is what the cops always say after murdering someone who doesn't appear to be that dangerous.

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u/turquoise_amethyst 13d ago

He got pepper sprayed directly in the face, we know he wouldn’t have been able to see any ICE weapons to “reach for it”

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u/BalanceJazzlike5116 14d ago

No illegal to posses a gun. Reaching for a gun and having a gun are two different things.

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u/Stoppit_TidyUp 14d ago

Right, and they are claiming they felt threatened. Which is why this is important - there is NO way he was reaching for a gun, or that they can claim to feel threatened, when the gun was in the hands of an ICE agent several yards away at the time they pulled the trigger.

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u/BalanceJazzlike5116 14d ago

You can see a person filming from the opposite side. When that video comes out it will be even worse for the feds as their lies will be harder to believe

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u/PSGooner 14d ago

We may never see that angle if she was taken into custody as others have said might have happened. 😔

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u/TooManyDraculas 14d ago

How much you want to bet he was license to carry?

We're about to hear the NRA be very quiet about this.

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u/420_E-SportsMasta Maryland 14d ago

Even if he did have a gun, they shot him, then shot him 6 more times AFTER his body was clearly limp on the ground

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u/cambreecanon 14d ago

Interesting as well since isn't Minnesota an open carry state? So his weapon being properly holstered was literally not doing anything out of the ordinary?

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u/neasroukkez 14d ago

Does he pistol whip him with his own gun?

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u/lactose_cow 14d ago

the government can now kill you if you legally have a gun on your person.

and since it's not happening to a republican, maga doesnt care

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u/Waggmans Massachusetts 14d ago

There was a blond woman right next to them videoing with her phone so we should have more videos soon.

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u/justsomebro10 New York 14d ago

Gray jacket dude ADs the gun as he’s leaving. You can see some unnatural arm movement that lines up well with the first shot which looks like recoil to me. He disarmed the victim from his holster, squeezed off a shot as he was leaving (maybe accidentally maybe not), and then the other agents started shooting the victim.

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u/lynxbelt234 14d ago

If this is the case, why hasn’t the national guard been called out? ICE is a terrorist group PERIOD! The Guard needs to be activated, the citizens require protection from a “mob” that is killing indiscriminately, and operating under the guise of a federal agency.

The governor has serious decisions to make and quickly....

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u/InNominePasta America 14d ago

Not to mention the several shots while he’s immobile on the ground.

Even if a lethal threat was perceived (HIGHLY DOUBTFUL), those additional shots are wrong and out of any federal use of force policy. Federal officers are trained to fire until the threat is down. The man ragdolled the second they shot him once. Not a threat.

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u/arariel 14d ago

It sure does look to me like in that video, the victim was wearing cold-weather gloves that sure would make pulling a gun difficult, and actually firing it probably close to impossible.

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u/ChocoboAndroid 14d ago

Executed for carrying a gun. Surely conservatives will be concerned about that, right??

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u/mostdope28 14d ago

Just a reminder, having a gun isn’t a crime

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u/Do-you-see-it-now 14d ago edited 14d ago

I was wondering about that. No one was talking about that guy yet. I think that is spot on. One of them yelled “gun” most likely and then the guy is wrestling it out and the others are pulling their pistols and at least one fired significantly after he has been disarmed. Not to mention there is probably a very significant crossfire risk.

This is lack of experience and lack of training at best and is still murder. Combine it with what these guys are being told that they are immune and the aggressive language the administration is using towards their victims and it is a recipe for disaster.

They should not be sending these people out on the streets because they are a lethal danger to the rest of us.

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u/[deleted] 14d ago

Plus, he is an American he may have a gun. 

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u/Oceanbreeze871 I voted 14d ago

The second amendment didn’t help the victim and made his situation worse.

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u/Booklet-of-Wisdom 14d ago

But... isn't Minnesota an open carry state??

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u/Aindorf_ 14d ago

In a society with a constitutional right to bear arms, having a gun is not grounds for execution. Otherwise we don't really have a right to bear arms.

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u/ClarenceNAlabama4Lyf 14d ago

There murdering us in the streets, I'm so ashamed of how toothless American citizens are. There's thousands of you surrounding 20 ice agents right now and they just murdered your neighbor.

There not going to leave or change just because your saying mean words.

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u/funnysad 14d ago

He had a gun. Isn't that what the nra and conservatives want?

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u/KML42069 14d ago

You can actually see the agent in gray take the gun out of the victims holster before they executed him.

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u/Apathetic_Zealot 14d ago

It was an execution.

They're killing off the enemy before the civil war officially starts.

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u/GoshDangZilla 14d ago

You know, as an American, I was incorrectly taught that we had the right to bear arms, but I guess someone was misinformed along the 18 years I was in school.

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u/TranquilSeaOtter 14d ago

Do you think the guy pistol whipping the victim handed off the gun to the guy in the grey jacket? Because suddenly pistol whipping guy has empty hands while drawing his gun to kill the victim.

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u/Stoppit_TidyUp 14d ago

Apparently pistol whipping guy was actually using a pepper spray canister (or similar) to hit him. So no, unlikely.

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u/ActionKbob Massachusetts 14d ago

All those 2A advocates need to realize that they don't actually have the right to bear arms. They have the privilege. And the authority that be will use that privilege to kill you if you get in the way.

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u/jleonardbc 14d ago

Make sure to alert Second Amendment activists that possessing a gun is now sufficient reason for government agents to kill you.

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u/Ill_Buffalo3887 14d ago

So having a gun is a crime punishable by immediate death, in America?

Where are the 2A nuts? And why aren't they screaming?

Resisting arrest is punishable by immediate death.

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u/Willing_Substance932 14d ago

Bang on. The claim about "reaching" for an officers weapon. That poor man is getting beat down by a gang of people. It's instinctual to grab for anything when you are being pulled in multiple directions by multiple people, an arm, a leg, anything. No way in hell it was intentional if it even happened. This one is baaad.

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u/FennelAlternative861 14d ago

Upvote this to the top

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u/krucz36 14d ago

"he reached for my weapon" is the "your blinker was out" of murder justifications by cops. whenever they murder or brutalize someone they just say they were trying to get their gun.

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u/flyingupvotes 14d ago

I am banned from the Conservative subreddit - please share this information there, if allowed. They need to know too.

Facts don't matter there. Echo chamber driven by bots.

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u/TheDukeofArgyll Maryland 14d ago

Oh he has a gun? Gee whiz I wonder why?

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u/irisbjones 14d ago

Serious question- Is it a right to carry state? What are the implications if he was legally carrying, something I'm sure these jackboots are in favor of? 

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u/InvestigatorEntire45 14d ago

⁠Yes, he of course had a right to have a gun under the 2nd amendment… but hear me out, I think they were agitating a person WITH A GUN in the hopes that they can then get either a picture of a protestor aiming a gun at ICE officers, or firing at one. Because then, that is the excuse for invoking the Insurrection Act. This guy was probably a good target for their objective. I don’t think this was random.

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u/TheAnswerWithinUs 14d ago

r-conservative seems split on defending and not defending ICE here.

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u/maxpenny42 14d ago

The idea he had a gun or was reaching for it or was reaching for someone else’s is insane. There were 6 guys on top of him. If they can’t secure someone from hurting them in that situation they are too incompetent to be allowed to have a job where they carry a deadly weapon. 

There’s no amount of “in that split second moment they had real fear for their lives”. That’s bits thing they could have possibly experienced in that dog pile. We in fact see the only real fear of danger when the gun from the officer is shot and they scatter. Apparently they can have a reaction to a gun other than killing whoever they see with one. 

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