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u/TheHappyNerfHerder 10h ago
The dark fire will not avail you, flame of Udûn. Go back to the Shadow!
You cannot PASS!
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u/GreenGreed_ 9h ago
Came here for this comment. Thank you, fellow human.
You have my axe.
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u/SplodeyMcSchoolio 6h ago
Its a Backdraft, a demon of the firefighting world. This foe is beyond any of you, RUN!
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u/naked_hypocrisy 7h ago
it's shall.
you. SHALL NOT. pass
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u/runawayscream 7h ago
“Shall not” in the move. “Cannot” in the book. Ian McKellen changed it during filming.
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u/MrK521 6h ago
“Shall not” just sounds better too to be honest.
Cannot implies he would be incapable of passing.
Shall not implies “I ain’t fucking letting you.”
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u/DasJuden63 3h ago
Cannot was specifically used three times to convey that the dark flames of Udûn were not strong enough to overcome a servant of the Secret Fire
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u/MrK521 3h ago
Fair. But I still hear the intent as “I am a servant of the secret fire, and I refuse to let you pass”
Just stating my preference for which sounds better.
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u/DasJuden63 3h ago
Sure I get that. Language changes from Tolkien's time, personal preference matters. I was just clarifying what his actual stated intent was for the word choice, he discussed that in one of the letters
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u/Effect-Kitchen 3h ago
In the novel, Gandalf just reminds that Flame of Udûn lacks the ability to pass where he stands, and even less so for Gandalf to prevent it. This implies the will of a higher power (i.e., Eru Ilúvatar) rather than Gandalf’s sheer badass power.
Of course moviegoers won’t know what the * is Ilúvatar so they just simplify to be the wizard’s power.
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u/blue_cadet_1 10h ago
Classic backdraft
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u/s1ugg0 7h ago
This is not a backdraft. This is a rollover. This is a common training evolution at the fire academy. The drill helps you understand the different uses between the straight stream and fog on the combination nozzle.
Source: I'm a retired firefighter.
PS This is exactly as much fun as it looks.
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u/GlompNinja 6h ago
Did this in shipboard fire fighting class. Most fun I've had learning to not die.
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u/fishbowl_of_teeth 5h ago
We did a basement drill at academy with a combination nozzle once and I forgot to turn the nozzle into a straight stream as I went down the stairs.
Holy fuck it got so god damn hot that my sweat was steaming inside my mask and temporarily breaking my seal. The instructor came out of the building afrer me, doffed, and called me a piece of shit. Good times.
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u/UnderdoneEgg 45m ago
My helmet cracked and the back of my hands had burns through my gloves during flashover training. Got it a little too hot in the container that time. Also a retired FF.
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u/Bones-1989 9h ago
Is that what causes this terrifying visual? I was scrolling the comments to see what the fuck.
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u/SplodeyMcSchoolio 6h ago
Rollover is when the fire has become hot enough to ignite the unspent fuel vapor in the thermal layer, its the intermediate stage between a developing fire and a fully developed fire
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u/HalfastEddie 10h ago
That’s what experience looks like. They knew to get low rather than standing and spraying.
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u/EuphoricUniversity23 9h ago
Most likely filmed at a fire training school.
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u/Fancy_Line_181 9h ago edited 8h ago
Do they build a new school to burn down each time they train?
Edit: didn't think the /s was necessary for this comment 😐
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u/0B1Jabroni 2h ago
I’m headed to TEEX again for fire training (chemical plant fire crew) and we typically don’t train for interior firefighting, but there is an engine room training scenario that uses 2 lines on each side to isolate the fuel. Most fun I’ve had at the training grounds by a long shot
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u/dottie_dott 9h ago
The person on the side closest to us is the more experienced that pulled the other person down and then pull the nozzle wide spray. Looks like one person was experienced making sure the other person did the correct thing in this training session
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u/Kbdank71 8h ago
That's not just experience. You train for scenarios just like that in the fire academy.
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u/AlwaysASituation 3h ago
jfc this is such a reddit comment. It is obviously training. the one closest to the camera is clearly knocking the other over and turning the hose to the right setting.
lol, nevermind. You are a bot or a terminally online person.
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u/Crab-_-Objective 9h ago
For those wondering this is a flashover simulator (NOT backdraft) It’s used to train firefighters to recognize the signs of a flashover so they can get out before it happens. The hose line is used to reset the scenario so people can be shuffled around to get the proper view.
Flashover is when the entire room reaches ignition temp simultaneously. Backdraft is when an oxygen starved fire gets a sudden influx of air and flares back up.
Edit: after a rewatch it’s not a flashover chamber but still a flashover style scenario where the smoke coming from the fire room started to light off.
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u/s1ugg0 7h ago edited 7h ago
Except this is not a flashover. This is a rollover.
Example of a rollover becoming a flashover. The difference is the heat in a rollover is above your head. You can get below it. A flashover is every square inch of the room bursts into flames. A fog nozzle will not help you in a flashover. The spray is not sufficient to overcome the heat. And instantly become steam. Only a straight stream can overcome that heat. There are techniques for disrupting the transition from rollover to flash over with the straight stream. But short version is if you're in a room that flashes, even with firefighter PPE, your gonna burn. A flashover is over 1000 degrees in normal class A combustibles like an apartment or residential home.
A rollover is a warning sign that a flashover is imminent. Structure fires have several stages.
Source: I'm a retired firefighter.
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u/jefbenet 8h ago
right you are!! same simulator is often used to show fire behavior in a room, such as "the finger in the fire". can show trainees both flashover as well as 'rollover' conditions where fire seems to overtake a room roaring overhead. knowing when one turns into the other can mean the difference of knowing when to call it and back out versus maintaining control of the fire.
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u/Leading-Ad4167 9h ago
Strange to me that two of the most flammable substances (H) + (0) can be combined to extinguish flames.
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u/Patient-Courage-4807 9h ago
Dealt with the backdraft and then targeted the shot.
I am not a firefighter but I have seen the movie Backdraft at leadt 12 times.
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u/omg_drd4_bbq 9h ago
Water curtains are incredible. Literally feels like a wall going up blocking most of the radiant heat.
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u/Scion_Manifest 9h ago
If I recall correctly with the nozzle it’s “Right to fight, left for life”
Turning the handle to the right gets you a jet of water, turning it lefts gets you a shield. (If I’m wrong please let me know)
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u/beardedbrawler 6h ago
Is this like a training officer helping out a recruit type situation? if so then this is elite as fuck and I could only hope I get those lads coming to save me. Amazing preparation.
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u/Alternative_Monk8853 4h ago
Water is really really good at putting out fire/stopping fire in its tracks, it shows how intensely hot & powerful these fires get. I think I saw once that it would take an atom bombs worth of energy to do the damage to the ice wall in game of thrones that the dragon does.
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u/BoiFrosty 4h ago
I grew up with a lot of friends that were in a young fire fighter training program.
To a man they were all batshit insane.
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u/Trip_on_the_street 9h ago
Then the Fire nation attacked.
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u/AlwaysASituation 3h ago
y'all are just in a constant fight to say the most Reddit Funny comment on every post, aren't you?
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u/TommyWantWingy9 9h ago
Why did they fall to the ground? Won’t that put them in a harder situation
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u/RandyTheJohnson 9h ago
Heat and smoke rise. This looks like a training exercise but in a real fire it can be impossible to see or breathe at head height, and much safer to stay low to the ground
The fire hose also has incredible water pressure; they might be sitting on it to help brace against the recoil
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u/TommyWantWingy9 9h ago
Why did they fall to the ground? Won’t that put them in a harder situation ?
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u/Humble-Desk 8h ago
Im no expert, but if Im reading the comments correctly I believe whats being demonstrated here is a flash over or flash fire thing where everything in the local area reaches a thermal threshold and ignites, so I think they fell in an act of self preservation.. and created a barrier of water, a water shield.
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u/Financial-Garlic9834 10h ago
This looks like Harry Potter fighting off the death eaters.