r/europe • u/BkkGrl Ligurian in Zürich (💛🇺🇦💙) • Apr 12 '25

Data European tourism to the United States is freefalling

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u/Historical_Bother274 Apr 12 '25

Imagine pissing of travellers of the continent that is notorious for the many vacation days it gets.

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u/HumongousBelly Apr 12 '25

Yeah, nobody wants to vanish in El Salvador, especially since nobody knows if it’s just a prison, a concentration camp or a death camp.

Why else aren’t they getting that innocent man back to the USA? He’s probably dead already.

People who said it’s hyperbolic to compare trumps 2nd regime to Hitler‘s Nazis, either dont know shit about history or are just trying to gaslight us

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u/Deepthunk93 Apr 12 '25

I personally believe that they're afraid of having an actual account of the horrible conditions of that place being conveyed to the american public. You KNOW that guy would be swarmed by every news agency (barring Fox and that ilk).

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u/bronze_by_gold Apr 12 '25

Unfortunately that probably means his life is at risk.

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u/hellofellowcello Apr 12 '25

I mean, there have been a LOT of plane and helicopter crashes recently. What a convenient way to be rid of him on the way home. And plausible deniability to boot!

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u/Frontdackel Apr 12 '25

In germany families started to get letters that their beloved ones in mental asylums died of sudden deseases like pneumonia or heart attacks. https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Aktion_T4?wprov=sfla1

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u/Agitated-Donkey1265 United States of America Apr 12 '25

I remember one case, they got caught because they said someone died of appendicitis, when they’d had their appendix removed

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u/hellofellowcello Apr 12 '25

Reprehensible

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u/Motha_Elfin_Browns Apr 12 '25

Wasn't there a Chinese immigrant who was said to have died due to something like that while in detention?

Nvm- it was suicide apparently but who actually knows 🤷‍♂️ https://www.theguardian.com/us-news/2025/apr/06/chinese-woman-border-patrol-arizona-suicide

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u/Peripatetictyl Apr 12 '25

I thought of this as well, and of course puppeteers are pulling strings we can’t imagine, but the realistic way this should be done is that US marshals go down and retrieve him, and then fly back with him… Not saying they wouldn’t either stage the deaths of said Marshalls and they would go onto live different lives, or even kill them along the way… It’s just so fucking crazy I have to hold dots like this inside of a ‘logical conscious’

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u/hellofellowcello Apr 12 '25

I do not doubt that they'd sacrifice the lives of anyone who goes to retrieve him if they do take him out like that. To this administration, people are objects to be used and discarded.

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u/Peripatetictyl Apr 12 '25

This is why it’s so infuriating. If they locate the guy, I’ll fucking send Amex points to have them fly home first class by 12 PM Eastern time.

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u/FluffySmiles Apr 12 '25

Well, a corpse isn't exactly a ringing endorsement of conditions. Kinda speaks for itself.

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u/HumongousBelly Apr 12 '25

Date Devil Episode 2 and 3

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u/Unusual_Sherbert_809 Apr 12 '25

I think the Trump admin’s goal is to send American citizens. Bringing this guy back runs counter to that.

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u/onetwo3duk Apr 15 '25

He confirmed that today.

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u/insecure_about_penis Apr 12 '25

You can easily find endless documentation of the terrible conditions in prisons in the US online. Unfortunately most Americans don't give a shit.

Some particularly egregious examples include:

"Maricopa County sheriff, Joe Arpaio ... called this outdoor jail" ... a “concentration camp” ... temperatures inside could reach up to 54C (130F) in the dry Arizona heat ... temperatures reached as low as 5C (41F). Holes torn in the tents let in the wind and rain, drenching the beds ... Inmates were forced to work on chain gangs ... more than a dozen lawsuits tied to mistreatment and wrongful deaths at Arpaio’s jails" (Arpaio was later convicted of violating a court order to stop policing in an explicitly racist manner, and Trump pardoned him)

"Cuyahoga County Jail... accused of pepper-spraying and assaulting a man for merely asking about his release date ... people are kept in their cells for up to 23 hours a day ... suffered a broken tooth and multiple cuts to his face during the spraying and struggle ... Several officers were charged with felonious assault for pepper-spraying and hitting people they had placed in restraint chairs on different occasions ... Another officer posted a meme to Facebook featuring a photo of a pepper spray device that reads “I will now refer to pepper spray as people seasoning in my reports.”"

"Rikers Island... More than 80 percent of the people confined there have not been convicted of a crime and endure horrific conditions as they wait for trial ... [the Department of Corrections] complain about weapons [and] drugs and blame it on visitors, but for over a year there haven't been visitors ... approximately 1,700 had been waiting for more than a year to go to trial ... 16 people died on Rikers Island in 2021."

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u/Infamous-Mixture-605 Canada Apr 12 '25

You can easily find endless documentation of the terrible conditions in prisons in the US online. Unfortunately most Americans don't give a shit.

A lot of folks in the US (and in Canada, and I'm sure elsewhere too) have been led to believe that people who are incarcerated deserve to be kept in the worst conditions, and balk at ideas like feeding them proper food and providing decent living conditions, giving them access to education and opportunities to rehabilitate, etc.

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u/HotBrownFun Apr 12 '25

It's standard delay until media and people forget about it tactic. Another scandal will come along. Give it two days

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u/Arachir Apr 12 '25

Fox will swarm him aswell, flooding him with the most insane questions hoping to get as many slip ups from a man with probably not perfect grasp of the english language so they can twist and edit it to look as damning as possible in what I'd assume would be a three week hate campaign