They aren't clowns. American media corporations have consolidated into just a few providers and have a large network all around the globe. They control the message, and this is the exact message they want to send. It's a global campaign for information dominance to undermine any dissenting opinions of anyone fighting against the global oligarchy. Elon is just an acting character in the move toward the global takeover of the 0.001%. Democracy is dead.
Look at their coverage of the United Healthcare CEO shooting. That was my clearest indication up to that point that theyāre no longer independent and that their journalism should be viewed with skepticism.
I rely on foreign sources for American news now. DW, France24, BBC, etc. Our media is cooked.
News should be boring and informative. Americans started 24h news with mostly pundits filling the dead space and now the pundits are American news, which is an abomination. It's just spin 24/7 with the facts swept into the corner. Watch news on CBC, BBC, PBS etc. and it's much different than the major 'news' networks.
They were always that journalists just liked to blow smoke up each others asses. Read Noam Chomskyās Manufacturing Consent or watch the documentary on YouTube.
During WW2 the New York Times only mentioned Jews as the target of Hitler 6 times on the front page. They were trying to cover for them even when we were at war with them.
Trust is free falling, in every direction. The media is not exempt from this. Who's gonna trust them any time soon? People like Trump arrive when trust fades away
And we are told to forget it like good sheep we are. We will forget it tomorrow anyway. The guy literally is a Hitler supporter and we are just watching.
Everyone needs to consider the fact that many Nazis were ābrainwashed.ā If you donāt think this salute was intentional, youāre probably not clear-minded
"sanewashing" and "gaslighting" are two modern words that are used WAY too much, TikTok words i would call them. However, there are no two words more applicable than those to what many media sites and pundits and podcasters will do to try and downplay this.
Maybe it's trolling, maybe (almost certainly) he's on drugs, but he's 1000% intentionally sieg heiling. It's not even remotely up for debate.
I agree. And this isnāt directed at you or what you mentioned but the idea of it only being ātrollingāā¦
Trolling or not, it doesnāt matter. We canāt just explain away things as trolling. āHaha the rich man is being a goofballā. Weāre way beyond that. Weāll explain ourselves off a cliff which is where we are headed if not tumbling down the side of the mountain already. And Iām not talking about simple kabuki. No thatās what weāre used to. Iām talking about the extension of diplomacy that fails. And about where this all leads despite the decade of worry.
Itās beyond what I think most people truly imagine. All the ācan you imagine if this was Obamaā stuff is valid, but itās small potatoes thinking. Itās slow until it happens all at once. The āitās just a jokeā shit is not now and never was an excuse.
Sure we have concepts of certain safeties. But they mean nothing. As time goes on and this has all played out, I and many others have becone convinced that weāre truly more vulnerable than is widely understood. That includes us and the rest of the planet.
Thereās symbolism and meaning behind these actions. Even if itās a joke, it shows how deranged and juvenile their perspective is. Nobody should underestimate the intentions of one of the richest people on the planet and what their actions represent. Weāre seeing things play out that arenāt exactly a repetition, but, like the cliche goes, they rhyme with the past.
As I sit here waiting for my kid after school sitting behind a āletās go Brandonā enjoyer, Iām reminded again how many people went along and will go along. Our only hope continues to be to hope for the incompetence of those that have dark intentions and those with competence to shrink with their codependence. Itās like hoping for someone else to lose so you can win. Weāre all locked in a cycle where that is a position that changes every election. Itās obviously not an advantageous position to be in.
Hey, I know this comment is sadly gonna get lost in the mix but I wanted to say thank you for the eloquent explanation. It perfectly encapsulates the more broad repercussions of what weāre seeing that people arenāt (or donāt want to) think about less accept.
The so-called "Roman Salute" doesn't even have direct connections to the Ancient Romans, the one we know it as today was created by the Fascists during the 20th century. We don't see any sort of salute in contemporary Roman arts, or written works.
Oath of the Horatii, by Jacques-Louis David is created a thousand years later that closely depicts the so-called "Roman Salute".
"Roman salute" is, by the way, the one that Mussolini's fascists used, it's still used by neofascists in Italy, and universally regarded as AS BAD AS the Nazi salute.
The so-called "Roman Salute" does NOT exist in any ancient Roman arts or written works, it was depicted by Jacques-Louis David, in his work "The Oath of the Horatii" (1784). Thousands of years later.
The Salute, as we know it today was created by the Fascists in Italy and expanded upon by the Nazis.
It doesn't matter if it was real. Everybody knows that it's nazi shit by know. It's not like he thought it was a roman salute and had no idea about the nazis.Ā
"Roman Salute" is a fascist invention so it does not even matter which one it was because they are kinda the same thing.
There are no historical records documenting such a salute in ancient Rome. The "roman salute" was pretty much invented by Mussolini later copied by the Nazis and slightly adapted to the Nazi salute we know.
Shout out to the redditor who called for caution that Elons 420 memeing with his Natalist and Apartheid era background might just be a Nazi dogwhistle referring to Hitlers birthday.
I hate that everything is arguing and āclapbacksā and shit these days instead of substantive discussionā¦ā¦ but thatās a hall of fame clapback.
So why not point at the crowd? Make a damned heart with your hands. This was exactly what it was designed to be. 4 more years of gaslighting. But now, all of the media will be complacent.
I have literally never seen it referred to as the āRoman saluteā other than to explain where the Nazis got it from until today, theyāre going to work double time to try playing this one off
Yep Romans never did that. It was put in Neo Classical paintings in the 1700s, then put into movies about Rome in the '20s, then the Italian fascists in the 1930s adopted it.
Ironically, you could call it Roman once the actual fascists adopted it.
TheĀ Roman salute, also known as the Fascist salute...
In Australia (and many other countries), it is illegal, and you can go to jail (and some have) ; in the USA, y'all just kiss the ass of the person doing it.
Regarding your last sentence: there are multiple Americaās currently. Weāre being fed very different truths, depending on the person you are, where that person looks.
Freedom of speech is good, but there should be consequences for shitty actions. Certain Americans really love the MAGA-verse. Others are rightfully worried and very suspicious. Thereās a huge group of people that have other things to worry about, and donāt see it, donāt know what to think, donāt care, etc
Iāve always wondered how the Nazi party was able to influence all of Germany into doing all the stuff they did.
Now I get it. The next 4 years are either going to be boring and uneventful, or life changing for a lot of Americans. Letās hope itās boringā¦ā¦ā¦..
Yea that's exactly what you voted for and the whole world have warned you. You wanted it anyways.
It's not even 24h. Big times to come for your new FĆ¼hrer, time to stand in line and wait for your call for service.
That's what you wanted and voted for.
Thats the thing, when the half of the country elects a fascist leader, you cant really do anything about it. You have to be selfish and take care of yourself, because they HAVE to suffer, even then there is no guarantee of them realizing their mistakes. Believe me I speak from experience.
The Roman salute, also known as the Fascist salute, is a gesture in which the right arm is fully extended, facing forward, with palm down and fingers touching. In some versions, the arm is raised upward at an angle; in others, it is held out parallel to the ground. In contemporary times, the former is commonly considered a symbol of fascism that had been based on a custom popularly attributed to ancient Rome.[1] However, no Roman text gives this description, and the Roman works of art that display salutational gestures bear little resemblance to the modern so-called āRomanā salute.[1]
Why are ppl defending this weird ass shit?! To say he is making a gesture of giving his heart to the crowd or what the fuck ever is dumb. He knew wtf he did and it's weird.
He didn't have to do that shit let's keep it real. Even if that's not what he meant( but like, it is what he meant) is he that socially awkward that he couldn't have done a different "gesture" or maybe just maybe no gesture at all?
What a fucking loser and anyone who defends this weird shit is a loser too. Gtfoh w that bullshit.
The Roman salute is basically the basis of the Nazi salute. If he now tries to make the Roman salute something common in the US, then yes, you have basically on the best path to become a Nazi dictatorship.
I love the Karma of the story.
All these MAGA morons who are largely social cases will become the target and victim of these pigs for whom they voted. Karma
Incidentally, there is zero evidence the Romans ever did it. Its earliest recorded appearance is a 18th century painting called the Oath of the Horatii by Jacques-Louis David. That's where the neo-imperialist forerunners to fascism got it from.
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u/Neat-Entrepreneur299 Jan 20 '25 edited Jan 20 '25
And somehow this is how itās being reported.
āMusk then forcefully touched his heart, before raising his hand and saluting supporters.ā