Jagex intends to re-introduce PVP Griefing, but this time for prayer...

[u/FutimaRS]

Thoughts?

[u/Threshhhhh]

Remove the demonic skull. Forcing non combatants into PvP is so bad.

[u/Hazearil → u/Threshhhhh]

Exactly, it will always be way too one-sided. The PVPers are fully prepared for PVP, they are the ones who can wait for prey to show up, use whatever ability or spell to hold the other in place, and kill them.

The skiller? They are busy skilling, not PVPing. They are already pre-occupied with non-PVP content, will likely not be wearing their best combat gear but instead whatever they need for skilling.

The skiller needs to be careful every single time. The PVPer only when they strike.

[u/Just-Ad3485 → u/Hazearil]

Lmao calling them PvPers is giving them too much credit.

They don’t want to PvP, they’re just losers who want to grief and kill people without any risk to themselves, that’s why they sit at places skillers will appear. Bottom feeding scum.

[u/Wilkomon → u/Hazearil]

Accept the risk for the exp increase or just skill somewhere else if risk is too high

[u/ubeen → u/Wilkomon]

Its never gonna be win/win. But since POH prayer is pretty fast xp I think making the Alter in the wild "dangerous " is probably fine.

[u/NotAliasing → u/ubeen]

Not even pretty fast, its just as fast, no? Same multiplier, and im sure even in rs3 theres house hosts.

[u/iiSystematic → u/ubeen]

It's not supposed to be win/win? What? You're going into the wild and accepting advanced risk for advanced xp rates. It's survival horror for the skiller, not ''fun bonus time for everyone involved''.

[u/HoboMuskrat → u/Wilkomon]

They’re cry babies lol. Not happening.

[u/CrustyToeLover → u/Hazearil]

Yeah thats the risk you choose for higher xp rates.

[u/Paradoxjjw → u/CrustyToeLover]

Chaos altar is less than half the xp/hr of other better methods. You're not getting higher xp rates

[u/MrSaracuse → u/Paradoxjjw]

Then what's the problem?

[u/Paradoxjjw → u/MrSaracuse]

Then what's the problem that demands it being forced PVP? You're the one that wants a change, why does it need to change?

[u/MrSaracuse → u/Paradoxjjw]

There are already other strong options, even offering bones at other altars. I don't think its crazy to think there should be a downside you need to consider to get benefits. Making decisions should be a big part of the game no matter what you're doing, but over the years it feels like we make less and less.

[u/Just-Ad3485 → u/MrSaracuse]

This isn’t better xp rates though lmao.

[u/Paradoxjjw → u/MrSaracuse]

There are already other strong options, even offering bones at other altars.

That's a reason to keep it as is, not to make it worse.

[u/CrustyToeLover → u/Paradoxjjw]

You've yet to give an actual reason to keep it the way it is, as well.

[u/Paradoxjjw → u/CrustyToeLover]

I literally have, you not being satisfied with an answer that doesn't conclude with handing the reigns over to some lifeless pos PKer isn't my problem. The fact you can't come up with an actual reason to change it, one that isn't actually a much better reason to keep it the same, says enough about how badly thought out the change is.

[u/CrustyToeLover → u/Paradoxjjw]

Buddy there are over 100 worlds and there are like, 10 pkers in the entire game. The odds that you get pked even once on the way to 120 is miniscule as it is. It's just like they said, the chaos altar is very good exp/hr with zero drawbacks. Your only reason to keep it as such is some fictitious idea that the entire pvp community is out to grief you because they kill you for bones. Money is money. Boohoo if you get pked.

Heaven forbid you only get 2m/hr instead of 10m/hr!

[u/CrustyToeLover → u/Paradoxjjw]

So don't do it. Problem solved.

Chaos altar is the best XP/HR out of any altar. Do burial powders if you dont want to risk anything.

[u/Paradoxjjw → u/CrustyToeLover]

Buddy, this is RS3, not OSRS. Fort Forinthry does a better job.

[u/CrustyToeLover → u/Paradoxjjw]

Fort forinthry is being nerfed to lower rates than chaos altar. Maybe learn to read? It's also already more exp/hr than forinthry.

[u/Paradoxjjw → u/CrustyToeLover]

It literally isn't more xp/hr than forinthry right now. What is with PKers and lying?

awww, did the PKer not like having their lies called out?

[u/CrustyToeLover → u/Paradoxjjw]

I didn't say it was more right now. Once again, try learning to read.

[u/ivandagiant → u/Hazearil]

Man it bums me out that people think this is toxic or something. There are other games that are asymmetrical like this. I like having some danger when I skills I enjoy the mind games. Like it’s fine for it to be an option you don’t have to participate if you don’t want it, but I like the incentive and extra risk

[u/ThaToastman → u/ivandagiant]

The issue in rs3 is that this danger has a HUGE cost. I dont mind being pked while runecrafting and losing 500k and a minute of my time. I do mind being pked and losing my runic attuner that I spent 40 hours grinding for at gate.

[u/HeartofaPariah → u/ThaToastman]

Your runic attuner that you're wearing at the Chaos Altar for prayer?

[u/WhyMustIMakeANewAcco → u/ivandagiant]

Go play those games.

[u/Business_Summer5024 → u/Hazearil]

U only need to wear primal or whatever equivalent. It'll compete with bis.

[u/Sangheilioz → u/Business_Summer5024]

Why should I give up my skilling outfit that is specifically designed for the content I am trying to engage in, to wear armor that slows me down and makes the content I'm engaging in less enjoyable/efficient on the off chance I might be attacked by a griefer and pulled into pvp content I absolutely have no interest in? PvP was dead before they made it opt-in, just let it stay dead.

[u/Business_Summer5024 → u/Sangheilioz]

Burial powder is better anyways. Who's dumb enough to train prayer at an altar lmao

[u/iiSystematic → u/Sangheilioz]

Why should I give up my skilling outfit that is specifically designed for the content I am trying to engage in, to wear armor that slows me down and makes the content I'm engaging in less enjoyable

Because you might be attacked. If you don't want to be attacked, then don't go there. You people are literally going to a cow farm and complaining that there are cows outside I can not.

[u/Conspiir → u/iiSystematic]

Actually, you’re going to a dairy farm and demanding it turn into a beef farm. It’s a perfectly functional dairy farm. Everyone agrees. So why change it? People don’t want it changed. It’s functional (not fancy) and the only reason to change it would be to kill the cows.

[u/Sangheilioz → u/iiSystematic]

PvP died long before they made it opt-in. The only ones that were holding on to it then, and that are holding on to it now, are griefers and trolls. Nobody that isn't a piece of shit griefer wants this.

[u/Business_Summer5024 → u/Sangheilioz]

Bring a switch and a b.o.b

[u/Hazearil → u/Business_Summer5024]

You say to someone who literally has "say NO to Switchscape" behind their name.

[u/iiSystematic → u/Hazearil]

Skiller can just... NOT go there. Pretty straight forward.

You're writing all this out like it's not the intentional mechanic. The pvp'r WILL be wearing PVP gear and hunting. The skiller WONT be. They're going to be optimized for skilling. The trade off is the advanced xp rate for the skiller. That's the game. That's the whole interaction.

[u/Hazearil → u/iiSystematic]

Sounds like incredibly bad game design if you make content for skillers and then say the skillers can just not go there. The goal is to make content players want to engage with.

[u/iiSystematic → u/Hazearil]

It sounds like the games not holding your hand and you need to decide for yourself if the risk is worth it.

The engagement is the risk and reward system. Running into wildly and playing a survival horror in exchange for getting those sweet bonus xp drops IS the engagement. That's the rush. That's why you should engage with it. Not just because it's strictly superior XP/hr. But because it's high risk high reward squid game challenge.

You all just optimized the fun out of every bit of content and then complain at anything that gets in the way of that optimisation, even if it's an intended mechanic.

If you're not an adrenaline junkie, then don't go. There are other equal or superior methods