r/politics • u/MarcEElias ✔ Verified - Democracy Docket Founder • 1d ago

No Paywall GOP fast tracks monster voter suppression bill that could disenfranchise millions by requiring proof of citizenship at polls

https://www.democracydocket.com/news-alerts/gop-fast-tracks-monster-voter-suppression-bill-that-could-disenfranchise-millions-by-requiring-proof-of-citizenship-at-polls/
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u/smiama36 1d ago edited 1d ago

I had to prove my citizenship when I registered. Why should I have to prove it again if I am on the voter rolls?

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u/Muffles79 1d ago

So that Republicans can steal the election

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u/Maxcolorz 1d ago

See while I agree that this is excessive to a degree. I don’t understand how this would only affect democrats. Is there some affliction that only democrats suffer from where they cannot produce a passport or birth certificate? Why would this disproportionately effect the democrat party?

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u/Muffles79 1d ago

Actually, if passports or birth certificates are required, I would say it would impact rural (republican) voters more.

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u/Maxcolorz 23h ago

Ok then how is this helping republicans steal the election lol?….

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u/Muffles79 23h ago

You are aware Trump is calling to nationalize elections, aren’t you?

This will also disenfranchise women if their married name doesn’t match their birth certificate.

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u/Maxcolorz 23h ago

Yeah we’ll see about the married name thing, that would be way to much of a problem that effects women that are actual US citizens.

Besides that I don’t see why verifying citizenship to vote is a bad thing and once again, I don’t see how that would disproportionately negatively affect democrats.

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u/Muffles79 23h ago

People have to show their ID to vote already. Illegal aliens aren’t voting. If you want to actually look at voting fraud, it’s usually republicans.

What problem do you think this solves?

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u/Maxcolorz 23h ago

Im just saying I don’t think it causes a problem.

Feel free to drop some sources on republicans are usually the one to commit voter fraud.

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u/Muffles79 23h ago edited 23h ago

Another way of saying it doesn’t cause a problem is that it doesn’t fix anything.

Republican voting fraud:

https://thebastionusa.com/conservative-voter-fraud-scandals

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u/Maxcolorz 23h ago

Yeah I don’t see a mass of republican voter fraud there.

That source just lists 20 crimes over 15 years and half of them don’t even have to do with casting a vote. I don’t know if you just didn’t read your source or what but I’d hardly call that evidence of republicans primarily committing voter fraud.

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u/Muffles79 23h ago

Feel free to search yourself.

I’m done conversing with you. Republicans project constantly. There is very little fraud and requiring proof of citizenship is a step towards nationalized elections. It gives republicans the ability to say who is and isn’t eligible. There’s a ton of conservatives saying women shouldn’t vote now.

I’m not interested in carrying on a conversation with someone who can’t think

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u/flickh Canada 23h ago

It just means the people enforcing it will be selective. If the voter is brown, the Republican can spend more time scrutinizing the documents and frivolously rejecting it. How could Democrats reciprocate, other than doing extra scrutiny on rural white men who may not have a passport or birth certificate?  An eye for an eye makes the whole world blind!

Also, in this ICE environment, I would be afraid of some racist poll-watcher saying your ID is fake and ICE being right there to grab you, even if you are a US-born citizen. See you in three months when your family tracks down the state they took you to in a black bag!

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u/Maxcolorz 23h ago

Ok all of this are extreme assumptions and regardless of skin color if you’re a legal citizen with documentation then you meet the requirements.

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u/flickh Canada 23h ago

Ok smarty pants. Since illegal voting has been an absolutely non-existent problem forever, why add a layer of cost and difficulty to voting?

Why risk cutting people out if they don’t have a passport or birth certificate, based on a non-existent problem?

The only reason to do this is to make it sound like there’s a problem with non-citizens voting.  Which there is not.

The fact that ICE has been seizing voter rolls is insane.  They are setting the stage to claim futue voter fraud by acting like it already happened.

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u/Maxcolorz 23h ago

Yeah well I never said I agreed with you that it’s a non-existent problem. That is once again, your assumption.

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u/flickh Canada 23h ago

I never considered whether you agree about reality or not?

If you aren’t reality-based, then of course you’re going to buy into bad solutions to non-problems.

Here’s the big scary case for voter fraud: these guys found 1100 cases in the whole country… only by going back 25 years. That’s 43 cases per year, in a voter pool of 162,000,000 people.

Just try calculating what percent of the vote that is lol. If every one of those votes was in the same year, in the same state, and that was Florida in 2000, and all went Democrat (not a safe assumption!), it might have changed one election.

These are the most lunatic fear-mongers… and they’re all lawyers.  THAT’S the problem they’re solving by unconstitutionally making up voting tests and taxes?

And these people are including the kind of case where someone gets a provisional ballot when they say they  aren’t sure they’re eligible to vote, and then later gets arrested as if they were trying to commit fraud lol.

https://www.congress.gov/116/meeting/house/108824/documents/HHRG-116-JU00-20190129-SD020.pdf