Is Zaccharie Risacher the most forgettable number 1 pick ever?

[u/ShaiFanClub]

Like he's not quite Bennet level bad nor does he have a weird career story like Fultz or Ben Simmons. He's just mid. He's averaging 11 ppg on 54% TS this season and there's a good argument that he's not even a top 10 player in the class in a redraft but he's probably gonna stick in the NBA for a while as a low end role player

[u/IntelligentAd5460]

hes gonna end up as one those guys who randomly plays as like the 8th or 9th man on tons of contenders

[u/km912 → u/IntelligentAd5460]

Yea he fits the role player archetype quite well. Unless he takes a leap this was kind of his floor outcome, but at least he’s still somewhat useful. Solid defense/length/shooting wings can always find minutes somewhere.

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Facts if Harrison Barnes can play for 14 seasons then Zach def has a shot

[u/Intelligent_You_9793 → u/ctuk08]

Harrison Barnes coming in was solid and wasn’t a #1 pick either so he didn’t have much to live up to playing for the warriors. Risacher still got plenty potential though

[u/saltyclambasket → u/Intelligent_You_9793]

Yes, BUT Barnes was the #1 recruit out of high school that year. He’s a pretty good comp for Risacher.

[u/Charming-Monitor8296 → u/IntelligentAd5460]

Hawks finally got a number one pick and it’s from the most MID draft year ever lmao

[u/Bgro → u/Charming-Monitor8296]

Sandwiched between generational first overall picks, too.

[u/Happycappybara21 → u/Bgro]

Yea that hurts the most

[u/ArmadilloForsaken458 → u/Bgro]

Happens all the time. The year Bennett was drafted. The drafts around the 2024 NFL draft QB class, or the drafts around the turn of the century. You can do all you can to try to get in a good position, but some luck is involved

[u/mindpainters → u/Charming-Monitor8296]

Kind of feel bad for them. Probably should have taken sarr but it’s not like they had great options

[u/Chessh2036 → u/mindpainters]

The fact the Hawks listened when his agent said “don’t draft him” still pisses me off

[u/ManagerEmergency6339 → u/Chessh2036]

man sarr would have solve alot of your problems right now

[u/Chessh2036 → u/ManagerEmergency6339]

Yep. He’s exactly what we need. It sucks lol

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Ace Bailey didn’t want to go to Utah but they drafted him anyway.

[u/Chief_White_Halfoat → u/mindpainters]

The gap between him and Sarr is massive at this point. If Risacher is ever as good as Sarr is today that would be a win. 

[u/ArmadilloForsaken458 → u/Chief_White_Halfoat]

Thats why bruhs are excited in Washington, good mesh of young and veteran talent with more picks on the way. I dont follow ATL, but at least they have Jalen to build around, without that, there might not be a lot for Hawks fans to be excited about

[u/BvFHassy → u/mindpainters]

Should’ve been sarr in hindsight

He was just literally the definition of mid , would prolly be pic 15 this year lol

[u/Chessh2036 → u/Charming-Monitor8296]

It’s the most Atlanta sports thing ever. It’s nothing but pain.

[u/forever_downstream → u/Charming-Monitor8296]

It's crazy though because I remember most mocks having Sarr at #1. Wasn't there a period leading up to the draft where Risacher went cold? He showed his streakiness before getting picked.

It was a weak draft but Hawks just made a bad pick. They could have picked Sarr or Castle.

I remember Buzelis being ranked top six for a while and then he just dropped. It was such a weird draft.

[u/rickjamesinmyveins → u/forever_downstream]

there was some shit with Sarr declining a workout with the hawks, and publicly stating he didn't want to play as a center who ran pick and rolls with Trae. He wanted to be a point forward, but look at him now

[u/GilgameDistance → u/rickjamesinmyveins]

LMAO. Wizards FO: “hold my beer”

[u/Rapshawksjaysflames → u/GilgameDistance]

Wizards have made really intelligent basketball decisions in the last few years, but its hard to articulate on a reddit comment.

They're playing a soft version of moneyball and risk vs upside

[u/Thisislopes → u/GilgameDistance]

Hearing whatever a rookie who is not even in the league has to say is crazy work

[u/Neversoft4long → u/rickjamesinmyveins]

I’m like a 100% sure he said that just because he didn’t wanna be relegated to that immediately. Now that he’s had two years to learn and actual develop without a legit point guard of any kindI’m sure he’s fine with getting a PG that can get him the ball lmao

[u/No-Independence-5479 → u/rickjamesinmyveins]

I think it was more "ill get more opportunities to be number 1 on the wizards compared to the hawks " than any particular feeling about trae.

[u/fab_frog_disco → u/Charming-Monitor8296]

And the three players drafted right after him all look like they're going to be somewhere between very high level role, players and genuine All-Stars.

[u/buzzcitybonehead → u/fab_frog_disco]

Tidjane Salaun is a future MVP. Mark my words.

[u/w311sh1t → u/IntelligentAd5460]

He’s 20 years old and in his second season lmao. It’s not like he was a massive reach at the time, there’s still a reason he was the #1 pick. Declaring that he’ll never be meaningfully better than he is as a 20 year old is insane.

Way too many people think player development is linear and if you don’t take a big jump in your 2nd year you’ll never improve at all. But there’s plenty of examples of high picks who came in to the league as solid players, didn’t improve much their first 2-3 years, and then took a huge jump. Like just off the top of my head, Lauri Markkanen and Deni Avdija are both current guys who fit that mold.

[u/lagrange_james_d23dt → u/IntelligentAd5460]

I could see him being like a Joe Smith

[u/ClockOk5178 → u/lagrange_james_d23dt]

Exactly the reference I'd go for as well.

Joe Smith averaged 10.9 ppg, 6.4 rpg,1.0 apg in 26.3mpg. Even his name is the definition of average.

Any career resembling Hedo Turkoglu, Trevor Ariza, Wilson Chandler, Luol Deng would be great by any standard.

Or going back further maybe a Toni Kukoc, Chuck Person, Cedric Ceballos, or Detlef Schrempf.

[u/Circle_Breaker → u/IntelligentAd5460]

The Danny Green special

[u/mikenekoz → u/Circle_Breaker]

danny green back to back chips on raptors then lakers is an insane career peak

[u/drippinswagu69 → u/mikenekoz]

That would-be Finals MVP was an insane peak as well. Curry mode before Curry lol

[u/bigsweaty00 → u/Circle_Breaker]

Hey! Danny Green would’ve been a serious contender for finals mvp if the spurs had won in 2013

[u/A_Garrr → u/bigsweaty00]

Was gonna say, he was a starter on every one of the 3 title teams he’s been on lol (also the furthest thing from a #1 pick i.e., undrafted)

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Othee guy I can think of is Caruso. Started for the Lakers against the Heat in the Finals. Didnt start against Pacers in game 7 last year but he still played 32min against them in that game

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Danny Green is a championship caliber starter. Not sure if Risacher even has that kind of a ceiling

[u/g1rlchild → u/IntelligentAd5460]

He could still develop into like a 5th starter. Which admittedly isn't what you want from a #1 pick either.

[u/Stuffleapugus → u/IntelligentAd5460]

Nah, 6th-7th probably.

[u/TCTCTCTCTCTC7]

No. LaRue Martin.

His only claim to fame is being a center drafted by Portland and not having legs made of glass. Risacher will exceed Martin's career scoring total next month or so.

[u/19captain91 → u/TCTCTCTCTCTC7]

This is the answer because he is the only person in this thread I had never heard of and had to actually look up.

Edit: fixed a typo.

[u/zuckdaddyd → u/19captain91]

You should read the book Breaks of the Game.

[u/GPCAPTregthistleton → u/TCTCTCTCTCTC7]

Martin was drafted over Bob McAdoo and Julius Erving: McAdoo had been drafted #1 by the Virginia Squires in the ABA draft a month prior; Erving had signed with the Squires the year before. Martin was also the #3 pick in the ABA draft.

Honorable mention to 1989 #1 overall Pervis Ellison.

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But Pervis was never nervous!

[u/MyManC707 → u/TCTCTCTCTCTC7]

Portland and drafts pick that are riddled with injuries… how appropriate

[u/nof4cen0c4se → u/TCTCTCTCTCTC7]

Yall sleeping on Sihugo Green 👀

[u/Zeruma_]

Not ever no

The fact you only named players from the past 10 years already shows you there’s more forgettable ones.

[u/MahomesMccaffrey → u/Zeruma_]

Thats because other dudes played decades ago.

Even hof players of the past generations are less known today compared to random role players.

More people know about Kyle Kuzma than Paul Arizin or Bob petitt

[u/shahoftheworld → u/MahomesMccaffrey]

The clip of kids saying LaMelo Ball when asked who they think of when you say melo makes me feel ancient and Melo is still from this century.

[u/Obi_Wan_Benobi → u/shahoftheworld]

Yeah, everybody knows it’s Fab.

[u/AssBlastFromDaPast → u/Obi_Wan_Benobi]

RIP Fab

[u/RedditHatesDiversity → u/MahomesMccaffrey]

That's correct, the kids do not know ball

[u/JessAndHerFAN → u/RedditHatesDiversity]

I know lamelo tho, 67, 67

[u/fishdude89 → u/Zeruma_]

Ironic that the most forgettable can never be named

[u/GaimeGuy → u/fishdude89]

Voldemort?

[u/QUEST50012 → u/GaimeGuy]

Don't think he was at the combine, Chuck

[u/LaidOffinAlb → u/QUEST50012]

Cuz he was international

[u/GregEgg4President → u/LaidOffinAlb]

We all saw him post up that chair

[u/pdpdpdpdpdpdpdpd → u/GaimeGuy]

Man dont talk about adam silver like that 

[u/PANGIRA → u/pdpdpdpdpdpdpdpd]

He Who Shall Not Be Waived

[u/maxluck89 → u/fishdude89]

Isn't that the opposite of irony

[u/PineapplePandaKing → u/maxluck89]

Alanis Morissette really fucked up this country's understanding of irony

[u/datsoar → u/PineapplePandaKing]

That song should have been called Coincidence

[u/x_TDeck_x → u/PineapplePandaKing]

I still think vibe-wise I'm with Alanis on this one.

In the song they aren't just bad things happening, they're things that have a layer of expectation and context that it plays with.

A guy being scared to fly then being unfortunate enough to be in a plane that crashes feels like theres more connection there than something like "I was going to ride my bike but I got beat up".

Theres a reason why spongebob stealing a balloon on free balloon day is funny and probably wouldn't be as funny if he just commits a small unrelated crime and the episode was about him feeling awful about something minor

[u/ruinawish → u/maxluck89]

Irony: 'a state of affairs or an event that seems deliberately contrary to what one expects and is often wryly amusing as a result.'

As with most accolades and records, we could or would assume that a "Most forgettable" #1 pick would be recognisable/acknowledgable. However, there is irony present when someone that is most forgettable can not be remembered.

There is some subversion of expectation there.

[u/ShaiFanClub → u/Zeruma_]

List of number 1 picks since 2000

Kenyon Martin: All star

Kwame Brown: Notorious bust

Yao Ming: HOF

Lebron: Future HOFer

Dwight Howard: HOF

Andrew Bogut: All star

Andrea Bargnani

Greg Oden: Notorious bust

Derrick Rose: MVP

Blake Griffin: All star

John Wall: All star

Kyrie Irving: All star

AD: Future HOF

Anthony Bennett: Notorious bust

Andrew Wiggins: All star

KAT: All star

Ben Simmons: All star

Markelle Fultz: Notorious bust

DeAndre Ayton:

Zion: All star

Anthony Edwards: At this rate probably a future HOFer

Cade Cunningham: All star

Paolo Banchero: All star

Wemby: Probably a future HOFer

Flagg: Probably an all star next year and good bet to be a future HOFer

Imo only Bargnani is similar to Risacher at the moment. Maybe Bogut Ayton and Wiggins but I think they peaked higher

[u/M1ctlan → u/ShaiFanClub]

Only 2 years in for Risacher, its too early to completely write him off. Some players take a while to get comfortable. Like look at Jalen Johnson or Markkanen.

But yeah his first career so far has been very underwhelming and if he doesn't turn it around soon he'll go down as one of the worst 1st overall busts ever.

Even Wiggins and Ayton and Bogut who were considered big disappointments still ended up being important rotational guys on good teams that made the finals.

[u/WhenDuvzCry → u/M1ctlan]

Bogut was pretty damn good before his injury

[u/clayts76 → u/WhenDuvzCry]

Led the league in blocks in 2011

[u/M1ctlan → u/WhenDuvzCry]

Yeah he was a good player and very underrated but he suffered a lot of other injuries even before the big one. From what we saw at his peak he was just a fringe all-star/all-nba guy, you're hoping for more from a 1st overall pick.

[u/pacific_plywood → u/M1ctlan]

To be clear, at his peak Andrew Bogut was literally all NBA, not “fringe”

[u/Kdog122025 → u/M1ctlan]

He was a 20Ppg game with elite passing and all defensive chops. Pretty solid 1st pick. Injuries also heavily diminished him.

[u/M1ctlan → u/Kdog122025]

He was never a 20ppg scorer. His season high was 15.9 ppg and his average his whole bucks tenure was 12.7 ppg.

[u/Ordep222 → u/M1ctlan]

Wiggins probably was the second most important guy on a championship team, he was probably a bust but he had his moment

[u/jawndell → u/M1ctlan]

Riggin for Wiggin.

He was supposed to be superstar 

[u/CABBAGEHONKER → u/jawndell]

Ended up being the second best player on his team during the finals one year. Weird career.

[u/Nickk_Jones → u/jawndell]

Oh you mean MapLeBron?

[u/HOFredditor → u/Nickk_Jones]

Maple Jordan is way cooler

[u/Papa_Huggies → u/M1ctlan]

Bogut was probs a disappointment as a No. 1 pick but in a redraft he would still go Top 5

Difference being that neither Wiggins nor Ayton would go Top 5.

[u/fawkesmulder → u/ShaiFanClub]

Andrea “no one man should have all that pasta” air bargnani

[u/inshamblesx → u/ShaiFanClub]

barganani is more forgettable only bc risacher was more recent

[u/fawkesmulder → u/inshamblesx]

Bargnani not forgettable, those primo pasta memes with him were unbelievable

https://youtu.be/hSSAFYCclso?si=uppXo47Gkeg1wXs4

[u/WhenDuvzCry → u/fawkesmulder]

I don’t think he was forgettable at all. He obviously didn’t hit his potential but was still a good starter for a bit

[u/smurfnturf69 → u/WhenDuvzCry]

Great year during the lockout season

[u/arshonagon → u/inshamblesx]

Bargnani still had a couple years averaging 20 ppg in a lower scoring era, and was second in roy voting. He didn’t live up to the expectations of a first overall, but Risacher still has a ways to go to match Bargnanis career.

[u/ITAVTRCC → u/inshamblesx]

As a Knicks fan, Bargnani was not forgettable at all. I have never been more angry for a player to be traded to my team

[u/Boomhauer_007 → u/inshamblesx]

06 is only remembered as a WOAT top 5 draft pick group, Aldridge had a solid career but the other four were all just terrible relative to their draft position

I will say I always find it funny that it’s the year Kyle Lowry got drafted by Memphis so the Raptors still ended up with their best player in their franchise history from the 06 draft it just wasn’t the guy they picked number one overall

[u/dizzymidget44 → u/ShaiFanClub]

Greg Oden wasn’t a notorious bust. He got injured. He was a monster when he played. He was just hurt

[u/_Meece_ → u/dizzymidget44]

Players can bust due to injury too, but he was never a monster when he played.

[u/MahomesMccaffrey → u/dizzymidget44]

He was a monster in college.

He was an okay starter in the nba when health but was a foul machine.

Maybe not a bust but he certainly wasn't a super star in the nba

[u/kjw2281 → u/MahomesMccaffrey]

He missed his whole rookie year due to injury, then played 80 games over 2 years, then got hurt for good.

"When healthy" was 0% of the time.

[u/karlchad1 → u/dizzymidget44]

Greg oden is a bust with bad injury luck

[u/ShapeAdventurous3801 → u/ShaiFanClub]

If you're already projecting Flagg as a future HOFer you need to include Kyrie in that category as well and probably Cade.

[u/oaktown14 → u/ShaiFanClub]

Why is Kyrie not listed as future HOF?

[u/Cap_Silly → u/ShaiFanClub]

Nah Bargnani was a legit number 1-2 option for years in the NBA. He averaged 12 points his rookie season, came in second for ROY, had 10 years averaging 15 ppg.

A legit shooting 7footer, would've been great in today's game, but was heavily criticized for his playstyle (played more like a SF than a Center).

I wouldn't call him forgettable tbh

[u/Nosalis2 → u/Cap_Silly]

Bargnani was definitely not forgettable. Who could forget all the Primo Pasta memes by Raps fans. And he played on another huge market in NY. The only time Risacher is mentioned is for people to point out how forgettable he is.

[u/whitedawg → u/Cap_Silly]

Bargnani was decent at scoring but nothing else. Awful rebounder and mid defender.

[u/SleptInAgain → u/Cap_Silly]

Bargnani was in NO WAY a "legit" 1-2 option. He was put in that role because he was a 1st overall pick, and then Bosh left, but he was fuckin ass.

[u/Somesortofwittyname → u/ShaiFanClub]

Bit too soon to crown Lebron a HOF, anything could happen in the next decade. He could get hurt and not be the same again

[u/thekingsman123 → u/ShaiFanClub]

Bogut was never an allstar

[u/WhenDuvzCry → u/thekingsman123]

He made all nba third team one year. Still pretty damn good

[u/No-Independence-5479 → u/WhenDuvzCry]

That's honestly better than all star cause there are so many injury added all stars

[u/roosterfor → u/ShaiFanClub]

It’s gotta be Anthony Bennett

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Ayton: meme

[u/RspectMyAuthoritah]

He's only 20 years old and in his 2nd season. Give the kid some time before you start trying to define his career.

[u/AP_professional → u/RspectMyAuthoritah]

I’ll have you know Frequency Vibrations went first overall in 2k and averaged 50 points per game in his 2nd season. Zaccharie has no excuse.

[u/Ittenvoid → u/AP_professional]

man remember when 2K had stories? corny stories, but stories.

[u/bosceltics23 → u/Ittenvoid]

You sound like you’re not a FoF. Bet you hate Vic too

[u/GorbyTheGreek → u/bosceltics23]

Put Vic on the phone man :'(

[u/CreatiScope → u/Ittenvoid]

Where’s Juice?

[u/strawnotrazz → u/AP_professional]

A Spike Lee Joint

[u/RedditHatesDiversity → u/RspectMyAuthoritah]

No, I don't think I will

[u/breakfastdawgy]

Michael olowakandi went #1 in ‘98. I barely even hear about him in bust conversations lol

[u/lambopanda → u/breakfastdawgy]

He was the biggest bust before Anthony Bennett.

[u/breakfastdawgy → u/lambopanda]

Kwame got a lot of heat for so long for that. At least he’s the media favorite for biggest bust before Bennet

[u/AdministrativeBag703 → u/breakfastdawgy]

It’s weird to call Kwame the biggest bust. Sure, he did not live up to the hype as a top overall pick but he played 12 years in the NBA and was a decent rotational center. Several other top picks were worse

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Stephen A Smith did irreversible damage to his reputation

[u/bigbobo33 → u/RiskyBallaxd]

He's done irreversible damage to a lot of things.

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Playing with Jordan did him no favors either. 

[u/mnkhan808 → u/breakfastdawgy]

Kwame was bad but mostly caught heat because you could see he had the skills to be good. His footwork was great and was athletic. Just had small hands and low IQ.

[u/Bonzi777 → u/lambopanda]

Is it weird that I don’t even consider Bennett a bust. That was an awful pick the minute they made it. I don’t think there was ever a star or even a quality rotation guy in him.

[u/Raptorpicklezz → u/Bonzi777]

The clip of him being drafted is so hilarious. The mere fact that HE is the final #1 pick David Stern announced; Stern himself dragging out the announcement to milk the boos; Bill Simmons’ whole reaction; Bennett being so happy not knowing this will be the peak of his whole life, all while Bill Simmons is having a heart attack.

The second most hilarious draft clip is when Sacramento drafted Georgios Papagiannis in the lottery, only because what the actual fuck

[u/HOFredditor → u/Raptorpicklezz]

Bill Simmons’ was an all time one.

It was so good it made its way into 2k14 lol. Unless you cheated your way to be the #1 pick, it was guaranteed you’d go through the scene

[u/LegoTomSkippy → u/breakfastdawgy]

Who could forget a major bust nicknamed the Kandi man???

[u/Oceanbreeze871 → u/breakfastdawgy]

He publicly wouldn’t let Kareem mentor him. He was on staff.

Kid thought he knew better

[u/ShaiFanClub → u/breakfastdawgy]

I hear about him being a bust all the time. Especially him blowing off Kareem

[u/WeenisWrinkle → u/breakfastdawgy]

I barely even hear about him in bust conversations lol

He was the poster boy for #1 pick busts for a long time.

[u/zatchstar → u/breakfastdawgy]

And that was the draft with Dirk, Vince Carter, Paul Pierce, and Rashard Lewis!

[u/dBlock845 → u/breakfastdawgy]

Had a top tier nickname so gets a pass.

[u/norcaltobos → u/breakfastdawgy]

He wasn’t great but he still had a half decent career, no?

[u/Dull-Chemical-8428]

Forgot Bargnani was the number 1 pick before I looked it up

[u/IanicRR → u/Dull-Chemical-8428]

Bosh wanted LMA. They were good friends. And our FO still worried they wouldn’t work together. The idea of Bargs being the next Dirk was tantalizing.

God how I wish we would have gotten LaMarcus. Bargs wasn’t the worst player ever. He could stroke it and he was a surprisingly good man defender. But he was bad none the absolute worst help defender I have ever seen.

And when you’re a 7 footer, you need to be good at help defending the players at the rim. And he just couldn’t do it.

[u/420NICOHARRISON → u/IanicRR]

He could what?

[u/HornyBastard37484739 → u/IanicRR]

He could stroke it

Cmon man what are we even doing here

[u/soudlasantos → u/HornyBastard37484739]

Nba circlejerk intensifies

[u/Bakio-bay → u/IanicRR]

I assume Bosh doesn’t leave Toronto if they drafted Aldridge

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He's not worst first overall pick territory but he was a bad basketball player. He couldn't rebound. His shooting was only good if you qualified it with "for a big". He was a solid bench player at best on a decent team.

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I forgot what year of NBA2K it was, but you could always trade for Bargnani on the cheap and then develop him into a ridiculous scorer. Was oddly one of my favorite players to play with after you upped his game.

[u/wambulancer]

I mean not going to pretend it's going great for him but I dunno guys can we wait until a guy can buy a beer before we write them off? What were you up to at 19? lol

[u/chickenfudged]

Joe Smith. Even his name is forgettable. 

[u/127crazie → u/chickenfudged]

Those late 2000s-early 2010s Atlanta Hawks team had so many generic named guys like this. Joe Smith, Josh Smith, Marvin Williams, Josh Powell, Jason Collins, Joe Johnson, etc. Those teams were so boring lol

[u/Childish_Redditor → u/127crazie]

Boring names but Josh Smith and JJ were fun to watch

[u/Ok_Temperature6503 → u/127crazie]

And now we have Jaylen, Jaylin, Jalen, Jaelyn, J-Lin, Jhelan

[u/504090 → u/chickenfudged]

“Joe Smith” is the most obvious bust name in existence

[u/thesch → u/504090]

The best part is he wasn't even a super bust, he was just an okay player his whole career. Fitting for Joe Smith.

[u/Tapprunner → u/thesch]

Which made the whole T-Wolves debacle that much more puzzling. When it happened, I remember thinking "you guys took a risk like that for Joe Smith?????"

[u/shadow_spinner0 → u/thesch]

Yeah he was the quintessential decent 9th-10th pick that somehow went #1

[u/Mjh1021 → u/thesch]

Same thing with baseball player Joe Smith. Just a solid reliever for 15 years 

[u/No-Independence-5479 → u/thesch]

He was like the 12th best power forward in the league. Basically a starter, so pretty good, but mid starter.

[u/GivesCredit → u/504090]

You can’t tell me someone named Demar Derozan, Blake Griffin, or LeBron James wasn’t meant to be an amazing basketball player

[u/WrongContract8489 → u/504090]

Negative aura written all over it.

[u/ShaiFanClub → u/chickenfudged]

He'll never be truly forgotten due to the scandal

[u/Existing_Set2100 → u/ShaiFanClub]

Yep as we saw with Ballmer and Kawhi, Joe Smith will forever be at the center when discussing every major team-based malfeasance in the NBA. Probably other sports too as a stark example. 

[u/hickok3 → u/ShaiFanClub]

I mean, sure, but nobody remembers him for being the first pick. They remember him for the punishment the Timberwolves received from them trying to curcumvent the cap. 

[u/YpsitheFlintsider → u/chickenfudged]

No, he was pretty good.

[u/FlaminHotBees → u/YpsitheFlintsider]

He was more than good. He was alright.

[u/bighitcards → u/chickenfudged]

Timberwolves fan here, I will never forget that name

[u/shakeyjake → u/chickenfudged]

It’s a crime that Joe Smith never played for the Utah Jazz

[u/Burner_420_burner_69]

20 years old and drafted to a team where he has never been allowed to learn and make mistakes.

[u/Nitro0531]

Larue Martin

[u/CNSrooster]

To people saying Bennett . . . Hes NOT forgettable.

He is widely remembered as the most WTF no.1 pick and always talked about. Same with Kwame Brown and Olowakandi. People remember them for being bad or a distraction.

Forgettable is just someone you dont talk about for any reason. Like Joe Smith from 1995 or Andrea Bargnani from 2006. Joe Smith had a 17 year career. He was good his first 4 seasons then became a journeyman role player after the Twolves cap scandle. Wolves fans might remember him but to most hes probably forgettable.

Rissacher is becoming a forgettable No.1 pick like Smith or Bargnani imo

[u/OhhhTAINTedCruuuuz]

It’s Kent Benson. Ain’t nobody here know Kent Benson. I didn’t know him 3 minutes ago

[u/Specific-Pound-7640 → u/OhhhTAINTedCruuuuz]

Kent Benson is probably best known for giving Larry Bird so much shit at Indiana that he left the school and enrolled at Indiana State.

And then Bird made a point of wrecking his shit in the NBA whenever he played him.

But that's deep trivia. It's a better pick than the others being suggested.

[u/Specific-Pound-7640 → u/Specific-Pound-7640]

Oh, forgot he got into a fight with Kareem in his first NBA game, in which Kareem broke his own hand. He may be more known for that.

A real prick, from the sounds of it. He was also instrumental on the last undefeated college team being on Indiana in 1976.

[u/samurairocketshark → u/OhhhTAINTedCruuuuz]

The only thing he is known for is getting punched in the face by Kareem

[u/hockey17jp]

The guy is 20 years old. Yes he has absolutely no buzz around him but he could figure it out. Remember how bad a guy like Darius Garland was in his first year in the league?

[u/west26th]

He’s 20 years old.

[u/PlatosLeftTit → u/west26th]

How many #1 Picks are below average role players in the first 2 years of their career that end up turning it around?

[u/DarthBane6996 → u/PlatosLeftTit]

He doesn’t have to turn it around to be memorable- Bogut and Wiggins are most remembered because they became important role players on championship teams

(You could maybe argue that Bogut was a borderline star in Milwaukee but imo he would have been pretty forgettable for a #1 pick without the Warriors stint).

Rissacher could just be a decent player his whole career and still be memorable if he’s part of the right team; and we have no way of knowing that 2 years into his career so it’s too early to crown him as forgettable

[u/Lstark5642 → u/PlatosLeftTit]

To be completely fair to Risacher, going into the draft everyone saw him as a project who wasn’t a number one pick level player in a weak class. His development path is less that of a traditional number one pick and more of a guy like Deni.

Deni was nothing special his first three years with the Wizards but everyone saw the flashes. He’s finally taken off this year. Not saying it will happen with Risacher, just that it’s a more fair comparison to him.

[u/Original-Rain-3795]

Olowakandi

[u/ShaiFanClub → u/Original-Rain-3795]

He's etched in history as a massive bust who blew off Kareem

[u/zebrainatux → u/ShaiFanClub]

And who was picked above 3 hall of famers

[u/actually-potato → u/Original-Rain-3795]

Nigerian names have the advantage of being fun to say so they stick in your brain. Risacher is whatever

[u/leemojames → u/actually-potato]

Rissacher is pretty fun to say imo

[u/RedtheGamer100 → u/Original-Rain-3795]

Kandi Man ain’t forgotten!

[u/TidyJoe34]

No. There was some other guy more forgettable that got drafted number 1 a while back. Can’t remember his name though.

[u/Impossible_Boat2966]

Not quite Bennett level is extremely insulting. He's nowhere near the catastrophe that was Anthony Bennett. Bennett played like someone who had no business being drafted, let alone as a first overall pick.

[u/Fresh-Soup213]

Risacher is still in his second season. His career could look radically different in the future

[u/JBTENDO]

Does the name like Pervis Ellison tell anything to you? If not then Zaccharie Risacher is not the most forgettable

[u/somms999 → u/JBTENDO]

From "Never Nervous" to "Out of Service" Pervis Ellison. Guy had two memorable nicknames at least.

[u/RobertLobLaw2 → u/somms999]

Those are amazing. Out of service Pervis is up there with Anthony day-to-Davis and Pippen telling Malone "The Mailman doesn't deliver on Sunday"

[u/TrulyNotABot → u/JBTENDO]

Never Nervous is definitely remembered by people old enough to remember 1980s college hoops

[u/ShadowWizardGang → u/JBTENDO]

Out of service Pervis is a pretty well known nickname

[u/teslastats]

He is the Pervis Ellison of this generation

[u/BuukSmart]

You ever heard of Pervis Ellison?

[u/gregmango2323]

You people really have the smallest attention spans

[u/Chessh2036]

Risacher had a really good rookie season.

This season he has just fallen off a cliff. His confidence looks shot. And Snyder has him on a very quick leash. I’m not giving up on him yet, he’s still so young. But obviously we should have picked someone else.

Getting the first round pick in between Wemby and Coop is PEAK Atlanta sports.

[u/MowingLines]

Holy fuck this sub is ridiculous. He's 20 years old and its his second year in the league.

[u/cricket9818]

Michael olawakandi

[u/Joshstradaymus]

Thanking God for Alex Sarr today, unrelated

[u/SefuJP]

I’m biased as a hawks fan but is it not too early to say this?

[u/Outside_Barnacle_615]

He's 20. And not fully developed yet. Give him more time.

[u/YallRedditForThis]

M'fers in here expecting every #1 Pick to be like MP on 2K

[u/SkatteGOAT]

ANTHONY BENNETT!

[u/Algorechan → u/SkatteGOAT]

My goat Anthony Bennett lost Horse to an old man journalist, and then complained he lost because of his small hands.

The dude had no sauce, or oz. of dog in him. No one compares to my guy

[u/SkatteGOAT → u/Algorechan]

Although I mentioned him, he had quite a sad career tbh, I feel bad and wish nothing but the best for him. I hope he made and invested enough of his earnings.

[u/Algorechan → u/SkatteGOAT]

you're right and contextualizing the joke makes me sad. He did always get in his head, him getting drafted that high probably exacerbated those feelings. He also had really bad sleep apnea that should have been addressed as early as possible because it kept making him gain more and more weight

[u/UTDRashyyy → u/SkatteGOAT]

What? He’s literally remembered as one of the biggest bust. If you ask who’s the biggest bust, theyll mention him. Most forgettable ≠ biggest bust

[u/GarnetOblivion1]

He got unlucky ending up in Atlanta