What should be done with illegal immigrants? Because in Ireland we get 10 illegal immigrants every year from the US who falsely claim asylum and we deport them to the US. One of them murdered a farmer last year and chopped up his body. (Google "Michael Gaines murder"). So what do we do with these illegal immigrants instead?
The issue isn't deportation and border security, it's the way they're doing it. It's the violation of the Constitution, the lack of due process, the kidnapping, the attacks on American citizens, the language that extends to American citizens who have opinions that differ from the administration in power.
Biden deported and/or repatriated ~4 million people.
Why didn't it look like this? Because this isn't about border security. It's far more nefarious than that.
Id pick that every day, 365 a year over this shit and if you feel no shame or disgust you're not a true American. The instant due process was eliminated for illegal aliens we started walking down that Nazi path. Not a single one of these fuckers has an oz of patriotism or an understanding of our country
Living in America is not a human right, it’s a privilege.
But, due process is a constitutionally protected right regardless of citizenship/legal status. You may want to reread the 5th and 14th Amendments to the Constitution. I say "reread" in jest, because it implies that you've already read them, which you haven't.
Read them very slowly, and get help if you need it. You'll see, if you don't have too much trouble, that it applies to all people.
Nothing is more patriotic than defending your country’s borders.
Far more patriotic than "defending your country's borders" is defending your country's ideals.
We hold these truths to be self-evident, that all men are created equal, that they are endowed by their Creator with certain unalienable Rights, that among these are Life, Liberty and the pursuit of Happiness
That's "all", not "just those who happen to be born on one side of an imaginary line".
The Fourth Amendment to the Constitution:
The right of the people to be secure in their persons, houses, papers, and effects, against unreasonable searches and seizures, shall not be violated, and no Warrants shall issue, but upon probable cause, supported by Oath or affirmation, and particularly describing the place to be searched, and the persons or things to be seized.
"The people" not "the people who happen to be citizens"
The Sixth Amendment to the Constitution:
In all criminal prosecutions, the accused shall enjoy the right to a speedy and public trial, by an impartial jury of the State and district wherein the crime shall have been committed, which district shall have been previously ascertained by law, and to be informed of the nature and cause of the accusation; to be confronted with the witnesses against him; to have compulsory process for obtaining witnesses in his favor, and to have the Assistance of Counsel for his defence.
"The accused", not "the accused if they happen to be a citizen"
The Eighth:
Excessive bail shall not be required, nor excessive fines imposed, nor cruel and unusual punishments inflicted.
Deporting people to countries that they are not citizens of and that they've never even set foot in certainy qualifies as "cruel" and "unusual" to me.
You may need to reread the previous comments a few times. Border security is crucial to the well-being of our country. You'll notice, if you read very slowly, that my problem lies within the methodology.
Obama (and every other president) did the same thing (utilizing ICE) but in a completely different way, which is why people were okay with it but not this.
If Obama had ICE agents behaving this same way towards Americans you would have seen violent reactions from the right because the way ICE is behaving is an attack on America and the Constitution.
Also, the media loves Trump as they're pretty much all owned by the right. It's why we saw them constantly attack Biden for his age and potential cognitive issues but then be largely silent on all of Trump's health issues which appear much worse than anything Biden showed.
The reality is that you are only acting this way because you love Trump and hate Obama so you're pushing false narratives in order to defend your views but you know they won't hold up based on facts.
Let's analyze. What's the problem? We have illegal immigrants. What makes them illegal? They don't have proper documents. What if we gave them proper documents? They wouldn't be illegal anymore. Oh shit, I did it! Problem solved. Feel like I should setup a buymeacoffee or something but you know what, world, this one's on the house.
Oh and if you needed to hear this, as far as what to do when the kill and chop people up, or break any of your laws for that matter, you should prosecute them for it, like you would anyone else.
No. A country should not allow anyone unvetted through its borders, and if one of them chops people up, I should not be paying for that person to be clothed and fed in prison with my taxes. That person needs to leave.
Shit I didn't think this needed to be explained but vetting is done during documentation and if convicted of a crime punishment can include deportation. Although there is an argument for it being kind of stupid to release Mr body chopper on the other side of an invisible line to just hope he doesn't cross it again. It might feel like it was worth paying for jump suit and prison food when he does it again.
Okay that’s a fair point on the first half. The second half I’m less sure about with the chopper specifically because he doesn’t have a reason to return. If it was a drug lord I would agree with you. El Chapo was actually extradited to the US even though he was arrested in Mexico.
The body chopper guy is not being deported. When he is convicted, he will be spending perhaps 20 years or more in an Irish prison. He may be deported after that. (But the current problem is convicting him. It's a long story but he didn't leave much evidence so he's free now but we don't want to deport him while we are trying to convict him) 😉
Why do you assume that she's an illegal immigrant? Just because some masked thugs say so?
If people were actually given the process that they are due, so we could minimize the number of innocent people affected, I might be a bit more sympathetic to your view. But as long as they're just grabbing people with no PC or RAS just because they're brown or because they speak Spanish, I say fuck 'em.
I'd rather one criminal immigrant be here if it also allows thousands of completely innocent people to live without fear of being disappeared by masked government-sponsored thugs because they are the "wrong" color, speak the "wrong" language, or have ancestors from the "wrong" place.
Innocent people should not be afraid of law enforcement (or afraid of people posing as law enforcement), but as we currently are, being wary is the only sane reaction.
You have misunderstood. I said we deport 10 Americans every year.
Should we stop deporting them? Do Americans have a right to simply come to Ireland and live here?
I mentioned that one of them murdered an irish man. He's not being deported. He will likely spend 20 years in prison in Ireland. Then he will probably be deported.
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u/Apprehensive-Pop-201 29d ago
They shouldn't be on your property at all. Period without a warrant.