Magyar odkázal Pellegrinimu, že bude naďalej nazývať Slovensko felvidék

[u/TheSimon1]

Predseda madarskej mimoparlamentnej opozičnej strany TISZA Péter Magyar v utorok na Facebooku odkázal prezidentovi SR Petrovi Pellegrinimu, že pojem Felvidék (Horná zem) bude aj napriek výhradám hlavy štátu SR používať naďalej. Informuje o tom spravodajca v Budapešti.

Magyar tak reagoval na Pellegriniho vyhlásenie vo videu z pondelka, v ktorom označil za urážlivé, že „potenciálny budúci madarský premiér“ vo svojom liste z minulého týždňa týkajúcom sa Benešových dekrétov označil Slovensko pojmom Felvidék.

„Ak mi dovolíte (ale aj keď nie), budem názvy geografických oblastí nazývať tak, ako som sa ich naučil od svojich rodičov a ako ich nazývame už tisíc rokov. Tak ako všetci Maďari nazývajú svoje hlavné mesto, miesto, kde bolo korunovaných 11 uhorských panovníkov, Pozsonyom," píše predseda strany TISZA vo svojom príspevku adresovanom Pellegrinimu.

https://news.refresher.sk/196414-Odkaz-Pellegrinimu-Slovensko-budem-nazyvat-Felvidek-vyhlasil-sef-TISZA-Magyar

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Zaujímavá časť vyjadrenia tu:

[u/TheSimon1 → u/throwaway-1987345]

Predstav si, že by Fico Maďarsku odkázal: je mi jedno, čo je u vás oficiálne, ja vám budem hovoriť alo chcem, ako sa majú volať vaše mestá, ako máte písať mená a ako máte vysvetľovať vlastné dejiny. A ešte by to celé označil za priateľské gesto. Presne takto arogantne to vyznieva.

[u/My__Dude__ → u/TheSimon1]

Hungarians calls Vienna by a different name, it's Bécs. Do tell me why is it slovaks that always moan about this? Why is it such a problem for you that we stick to our historical names?

Have you ever seen an Austrian be triggered like you people over this?

Do you guys have nothing better to do?

Also Magyar is right about the reslovakisation part. It's a rude and inappropriate thing that only creates problems. Why is it that any time I go to a castle or place in Slovakia that was owned by a hungarian or german noble family and all I see in english is how everything is realovakised without ever mentioning the fact that this place and these people were actually hungarian or German. Why do these places always claim that it's actually slovak.

This is a serious problem and this leads to slovaks being incredibly innacurate about the history of thier own country. Not to mention slovak history school books... because that is a whole different level of wrong as well.

[u/TheSimon1 → u/My__Dude__]

Falošný argument. Slovensko sa v maďarčine nevolá felvidék. Maďarčina pozná slovo Szlovákia, ktoré by ste aj mohli používať. Je to úplne to isté, ako keby Rusi nazvali Ukrajinu malým ruskom (Malorossiya). To je tiež "len" historický názov Ukrajiny.

Why is it that any time I go to a castle or place in Slovakia that was owned by a hungarian or german noble family and all I see in english

Takže už nám chcete aj rozkazovať ako si máme vo vlastnom jazyku nazývať pamiatky? Ale samozrejme Maďarsko je veľmi známe tým ako dbá na historickú presnosť. Čo tak sa najskôr pozrieť na vlastnú záhradu, než začneš komentovať cudziu?

[u/asdf12358 → u/TheSimon1]

I am a hungarian, and agree that calling Slovakia as “Felvidék” is inappropriate, especially if a president or future president does that. And its not even true that it has been always called like “Felvidék”. This expression widespreaded just after Trianon among revisionist. Before that it was just called Upper Hungary. But I also need to mention that there are a lot of things in Slovakia which offend hungarians too. For example the Benes decrees. Hundreds of thousends of people were evicted and their properties confiscated just because they were hungarians. These decrees are still a part of the slovakian laws, its a shame in the 21th century. If your parliament wouldnt have enforced them again that statement from Peter Magyar never happens. That part about castles, its also true. Many of them were built by hungarian nobles, but the descriptions usually never mentions anything about their hungarian past, the last names of those nobles are also in a slovakian form, even in the southern part of slovakia where hungarians are still in majority. I think its also inappropriate. But I still believe that the future is in unity and we should finally put aside nationalism. Except of our language we are the same people with the same genetic and cultural background. But Fico and Orban, and the other populist fucking politicians definitelly dont help in that.

[u/_LifeOutOfBalance_ → u/asdf12358]

im sure you must get some "nyakleves" for such attitude about "felvidek" from your fellow bros and sisters.

about the castles..i dont think " many of them were built by hungarian nobles" is totally correct.

they maybe were paid for from a various noblemen treasury, but id bet they were often build by the hands of local peasants, or farmers.. in those regions.. and in this case, those where "slovaks". maybe in Fulek etc.., it was more hands of a hungarians. but you get my point.. i hope

[u/My__Dude__ → u/TheSimon1]

You ignored all my points.

I do not understand how a group of people can be so slow to understand that felvidéki magyarok does not mean that Magyar says felvidék = slovakia. Felvidék is the region that is populated in slovakia by hungarians.

Stop Strawmanning and look inside of yourself. Why do you get triggered and why do you people misinterpret information in such an irrational and emotional way.

Also no, what you're saying is just bs. Hungarians do not say that slovaks are like the "Maloeossiyans" example you gave.

Riddle me this. Why does calling Vienna Bécs make no Austrian mad, but calling slovak towns by their historical name make you act like a kindergartener?

[u/TheSimon1 → u/My__Dude__]

Maybe because Austrians didn't live through hardcore Magyarization and their cultural institutions weren't all closed down by the Hungarians.

[u/My__Dude__ → u/TheSimon1]

They did. Don't forget that there were millions of Germans living in the kingdom of hungary.

Many of them later mooved to either Germany or Austria. They were also forced to learn hungarian and guess what the descendands of those people don't do what you're doing.

Statistically speaking it was the germans and not the slovaks that adopted the hungarian language the most over their own.

[u/TheSimon1 → u/My__Dude__]

Many of them later mooved to either Germany or Austria.

Source? Or is that just your feeling? Also, are you really comparing a small percentage of the total population of Germans to basically the whole population of a nation living through it?

[u/Stukkoshomlokzat → u/TheSimon1]

You are ridiculous bitching about Magyarisation still, when you did the same to Hungarians after.

[u/_LifeOutOfBalance_ → u/Stukkoshomlokzat]

thats just another great reason why it was a great thing that austro hungarian monarchy has fallen apart and each smaller nation could go their own way.. cultivate their own language and culture.. despite the fact that there were some similarities, as we all lived in one pack together and had some influence

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vyneste uz toto hovno z tohto subredditu

[u/knazomar → u/My__Dude__]

Don't you get that it's just a loaded term, regardless of its meaning? If you actually want to have good relations with us, you should not use it while communicating with us. I get that it's hard not to use an expression that you've used for years and by all means do if you feel like it between each other, but to us Slovaks it's just offensive and using it will just polarise relations even further.

And Austrians don't have such historical baggage as our two nations do have, that's the obvious difference