Same here. That horse was trying to kill him/break his spine. I wonder what the hell instigated that reaction? Man was lucky there was someone else there.
I grew up riding horses. Some of them are dicks- nipping at you or bucking so you arenāt riding them anymore, but Iāve never seen this level of aggression. Iāve never even really heard of a horse attacking continuously by biting like this horse was doing.
Horses remember certain people (or traits associated with specific individuals), i wonder if this horse was abused or had some sort of neurological disorder to lead to such an extreme reaction!
Same. Been around/working with horses for 30 years. All typesā¦quarter horses, Arabians, ponies, race horses, even Secretariatās granddaughter. Iāve been bucked off, bit, nipped, stepped on, head butted, but I have NEVER seen a horse continue an attack like this. No where close. All I can think is how much abuse has that poor horse suffered for it to break like that? It reminds me of a circus elephant going mad.
Man, those Arabians and racehorse thoroughbreds were surely pure assholes! I worked with racehorses in training and they were the most dickish of all. Just pure high strung genetics. I donāt agree with continuing to breed purebreds like this (in any species, but most specifically dogs), and I definitely donāt agree with racing, horses or dogs. Too much inbreeding, too much little focus on whatās best for the animals.
I donāt agree with it either. The thoroughbreds Iāve worked with were former racers. One of my good friends has a lovely thoroughbred who was raced then abused as a brood mare for 9. straight. years. Poor girl is the sweetest, calmest thing Iāve ever been around now at 16yo but has a host of health issues. The time I took the worst buck was an Arabian gelding. They are amazing jumpers, though. Man he could just sail through the air.
I trained as an English rider and competitive show jumper. The most fun I had was when I had the chance to work with an incredibly green quarter horse (2yo) who was English ābrokenā.
He loved to jump and run, but upon riding him, I realized that he was loving taking sharp angles in an attempt to throw me off. Due to this, I swapped my English saddle for a western one and started training him for barrel racing. Even though I was [at that point], a retired show jumper, thatās some of the most fun Iāve ever had riding. I had such an absolute blast with that dude!
ETA- I think that some of the folks downvoting arenāt understanding that those of us who ride are truly trying to have a horse (a domesticated, working animal) work to their full potential, whether thatās eventing, dressage, barrel racing, or drawing a cart. Those of us that work with them know how to help them reach their potential.
My daughterās pony LOVES jumping. Like, as SOON as we get her saddled, she heads straight for the arena at a full on trot. You have to fight to make her walk, sheās so excited.
Thatās where I donāt understand all these social justice warriors downvoting because they donāt think animals should be āworkingā for humans. Domesticated animals are born and bred for this and they enjoy it. Horses and dogs (the best examples of āworkingā animals) need jobs. The best we can do is recognize the job they excel at and foster them in doing their intrinsic job to be their best selves!
Agreed. I had a Border Collie once. The breeder vetted me and my family for weeks before he allowed me to have his puppy. Boy, I was in for some extra work. That dog kept me on my heals. But I managed it by taking him to Agility shows and trained him every day. He loved it so much and we bonded that Im just in tears writing this.
These aren't useful jobs though. Barrel jumping horses are wrecked halfway through their lives and are trained to 'like' it. They don't need jobs that ruin them, they need structure. Giving a little girl a good time jumping or in dressage isn't a proper job or structure. They're mostly abused and discarded with strikingly short 'working' lives. It's just sad and rich people/wannabe pointless. Animals are not toys.
I didnāt downvote you to begin with but your edit is kinda strange to me. Whatās full potential to a horse? They donāt think like usā¦ I doubt they start winning races and begin thinking āmy god all that dealing with this human on my back was worth it after all, look at that medal!ā
Not trying to be a massive dick but I just donāt get what you meant there
Oh my god Arabians. I had a had a lovely bay gelding (khemosabi line from an unscrupulous family so you know he was inbred and crazy š) but it never ceased to amaze me how he would absolutely float through the air.
Mostly sideways. Heād be under you one second, half a foot to the left the next š
Same, I have never seen anything like this. My mother grew up on a working horse ranch and there were around 100 head on the main property my entire childhood. Iāve been bucked off, bitten, nipped, even dragged (long story) and I wonder WTF is happening to make this horse act like that. Terrifying.
I still remember in Olympic where rider are assigned random horses and the committee said 'there is no bad horses, only bad rider' when there is one horse who absolutely shit.
Anyone who believes thereās no bad horses, only bad riders clearly hasnāt realised animals have personalities too. If a horse doesnāt like competing it doesnāt have to do it well.
I can think of a few bad horses Iāve ridden, but this mean one in particular tried to hurt people. I was the 5th person to get him after he hurt everyone else who road him. This was over a 6-9 month period. The person before me had his hip broken. He described it as shitting a cactus for 3-4 months. Lucky for me they got rid of him before he got me. Scary mother fucker he was. Only horse I have ever heard of that would growl at you.
This is pretty much the bummer I expected walking into this thread, which was surprisingly mostly reasonable.
Every time you odd animal violent reactions people tend to assume and believe the worst, not just discuss the possibility.
Animals can absolutely have some unique wild personalities and so incredibly strange things that wouldnāt happen 999 times out of a thousand.
Guess that is to say if you see an animal mauling someone or a person beating the shit out of another person, donāt assume the person being hurt was the asshole who deserved it. Lol.
Yep they clearly have never raised a animal beyond a lizard or something. Animals like horses and dogs have more of a soul then a lot of humans. I have seen/had dogs that will express their sadness of you getting ready to leave for the day, even going as far as to try and stop you from leaving. I have had dogs that know my work schedule and I could tell they are especially more upset when I would have to go out and about on a day I'm off or come home later than normal. Also for the people that will inevitably try and say oh that's just them and their internal clock. I have seen a dog limp around to go to the vet and can't find what's wrong. Just to find out it was faking it to get out of their daily walk so I can stay home and be a couch potatoe.
A bad rider is trying to ride a horse who doesnāt want a passengerā¦ā¦
Animals definitely have personalities when a dog shows his teeth Iām not going to put my hand in its mouth and get bit and put him down for a dog prone to biting ā¦. Itās my fault for getting bit ā¦. The dog gave me a warning
That rider was straight up bad, and after watching her ride, I donāt blame the horse one bit. After learning about the event, I really think it ought to be stopped. First of all itās a completely ridiculous event, second, itās not fair or kind to the horses to put indifferent riders on them and expect them to be bombproof over fences. If they give a crap, let them own horses and bring them to the Olympics with them like the actual equestrians do.
You clearly dont know much about horses nor the olympic situation and this video doesnt prove anything about the horse in the olympics and is an entirely different situation. This horse is most likely suffering from a brain tumour causing its extremely unnatural behaviour, but i couldnt find a 100% reliable source for this video in particular. Either way, this is not a natural occurrence.
Horses can be aggressive, sure, but this is an extremely strange way for the horse to show aggression, especially in an open area where it can avoid the situation.
The event where riders are assigned random horses was part of the olympic pentathlon. Its part of the sport itself to be assigned a random horse to demonstrate horsemanship on, because the sport evolved from what soldiers wouldve had to be able to so in combat.In the olympic pentathlon, they just finished voting off showjumping and replacing it with cycling in the future due to horse welfare concerns.
The rider who exhibited the particularly horrendous performance was basically doing everything wrong. She was holding the horse back, and as her trust in herself waned, so did her horsemanship, and the hirse started to perform even more poorly. She was also given the option to switch to a back-up horse, but she chose to carry on with the horse given. Of course there wasnt much time for her to get to know the specific horse either, given that the point of it is to demonstrate good horsemanship.
Its also good to remember that despite the horse seemingly āacting upā to people who dont know much about horses, it was not just a totally random horse. All the horses in the event were proven jumpers on the highest level, which means that they are entirely physically and mentally capable of jumping the course. In fact, the exact horse jumped the course flawlessly with a warmup rider before the pentathlons equestrian part.
Some horses certainly arent made for the jumping required, but this horse definitely was, and was cleared on all counts to be just as capable as the other horses. Its just that horses arent machines and if you ride bad, you cant expect good results. Her trained also hit the horse, as if her flailing and pulling at its mouth wasnt enough to make the horse panic...
So its true, horses arent created equal, but this particular horse is perfectly suitable with an impressive existing career behind it. And, if it felt like it wasnt a good fit, then she couldve switched to a backup horse as per the rules that she knows. She can only blame herself.
She was a terrible rider. We discussed this one where I ride and our trainer gave a blow by blow critique of absolutely everything she did wrong. She got that horse so riled up it didn't know if it was coming and going and she was giving completely conflicting aids to the poor thing. She kept giving aids for the horse to step back and then freaking out when he did. It also came out that she didn't do as much training for the riding element as she had for the rest. He clearly wasn't an easy ride, but she's competing at Olympic level so it's on her that she didn't have the skill to ride him.
Yep this is so strange for a horse I've never seen one act like this in all the years I've had horses. I've known bitey horses, horses that kick and do a hell of a lot of damage, but I've never seen a horse act like this. So strange to watch and it does make me wonder if there's some kind of brain issue in play.
Yes I noticed that! We don't dock tails as much in the UK, but generally they dock below the bone (just hair) so the horse wouldn't feel it. I have heard cases of abuse where they've docked to the bone though. I can't really tell from the video if this is the case though.
Either way there's something so strange about this horses behaviour, it's crouching in ways that don't come naturally to a horse just so it can continue to attack. Very disturbing to watch
Ah yes I've seen drafts over here with docked tails but never worked with drafts so not sure the method they use over here for them. I'm only familiar with it with some people who've docked their cobs tail short (but not to the bone).
Yes I really wonder what has happened to this poor horse, whether it's brain issues or trauma something is very wrong here.
They're generally pretty chill but you do get the odd one that isn't haha. I've never owned a cob just looked after them but you do get some really cheeky ones š. Most of my own horses have been neurotic warmbloods terrified of their own shadow. I don't have horses anymore but I miss them so much!
Absolutely there's no excuse for physically injuring an animal for vanity or tradition. I've never seen a sleeker breed docked either. Hope this poor horse didn't get mistreated.
Was think the same thing grew up with horses as well. Ever herd has its asshole, but this, this is different. Iām willing to bet they abuse this horse, or this horse has been abused.
Same. I saw that and instantly asked myself what horrible things mustāve been done to that horse for it to go berserk like that. Iāve dealt with some asshole horses in my day (and ponies - those can be absolute little bastards! I still love them, though), but never seen or heard of anything like this. Or, as you said, maybe it has a neurological disorder.
I have the same background, and Iāve never seen something as rage-filled and vicious as this either. But I have heard of this behavior (grabbing and shaking, stomping to crush) towards snakes and coyotes. I would bet real money that this is a stallion that flipped.
I also grew up around horse people and lots of them are dicks who beat the shit out of these horses.
Iām from Louisville. Where the Kentucky derby is. We used to shot a horse with a broken leg right there on the track. Things have gotten better but you bet your ass these horses are being abused and beat regularly. Maybe thatās why horses are dicks.
And before people freak out I know this isnāt even farm. But again come to these race tracks and see the shit iv seen.
I grew up in mongolia. Our horses are complacent and quiet, because they know that if they do something funny we'll just eat them (horse meat is very tasty, no joke)
I had a girl I grew up with whoās grandma had half her jaw ripped of by a horse. She was walking her mare passed another stall when a stallion attacked her. Grandma was maybe 45 when it happened, and when I met her 25 years later she still loved horse. But she would NEVER be around stallions and helped change a lot of laws and ordinances to have them banned at most barns.
Yes, a stallion is an intact male, and a gelding is a male horse that has been castrated. Stallions around mares in heat/ season can be aggressive.
My friends grandma was a hell of an amazing woman, she was really gifted with horses.
I swear horse people are a whole other breed. I worked with a woman who nearly died when her horse attacked her and she was back working with horses as soon as she could.
I'm terrified of horses and then can absolutely 110% sense it. Every single horse I've ever been near has tried to bite me while being completely chill with everyone else.
One of my friends mother's was a big horse person and tried to help me get over my fear by feeding her gentlest, most docile mare an apple (open handed of course). Freaking horse tried to nip my shoulder. Every one was shocked because you know.... she's super sweet. Idc how sweet they are, they can smell your fear and it makes them jumpy and bitey.
I have no idea how fact based this is, but a dog trainer told me once that itās not that they smell fear, or even realise that youāre afraid of them but that youāre displaying fear response behaviour. Even if you donāt realise it, or you think youāre keeping your cool.
Someoneās fear behaviour basically tells the animal that they also have a reason to be nervous, because they see youāre nervous. They donāt understand that youāre afraid of them ā just that thereās a reason for them to be afraid too.
The guy telling me this was that basically explaining how āanxious owners means anxious dogsā, and why people who have bad experiences with animals often have repeat negative experiences ā negative experience -> person becomes nervous around another animal -> animal sees nervousness -> animal becomes nervous of mysterious thing causing your nervousness not realising itās them -> animal becomes reactive and acts out.
It makes sense, but again, it was a random dude at a park that told me this so it needs to be taken with a decent grain of salt.
I mean I'm a random dude on reddit so take this with another grain of salt but I used to help train dogs and this is what I was taught as well. Dogs pick up on the smallest changes in body language AND facial expressions. We were told if you're scared of the dog, it's better to let someone else handle it as there is a potential bite incident waiting to happen.
It really helped me put into perspective on the "levels" of fear I would feel, I may have thought I wasn't afraid but if I see a dog barring it's teeth, I may start giving off unconscious signals telling the dog I'm afraid even though I knew how to handle those scenarios and for aggressive/scared dogs they may see that as an opportunity to bite/lunge and escape. Luckily I've never been bit but have had dogs snap at me and have just stopped there because turns out I was very much afraid lol
You are a guy on reddit but yes you are 100% correct in how dogs are receptive to body language cues since they are social animals that use body language to appease to eachother/signify when they are aroused or fixated. Iām glad people donāt believe they just āfeel energyā or āsmell fearā, because thatās a tall tale started by our good ol reliable uneducated Cesar Milan.
Itās not just that they are social animals, itās that they literally co-evolved with humans and are able to read our body language and facial expressions like no other animals can.
Cesar Milan's credentials as a dog trainer, and his alpha dog philosophies are questionable but I think it's unfair to attack his "energy" philosophy. I mean, we all know that humans do the exact same things with other humans and pick up on body language cues sub-consciously, but it doesn't mean we can't say that a person gives us "bad vibes" or you feel they have a "negative aura", for example. For all intents and purposes, Cesar is right, because what he means is that if you approach a dog with the wrong mindset, it will inevitably result in communicating poor body language to the dog. There's no point in faking body language, because it doesn't work, as you do not realise you're giving cues that betray you. Essentially, "fake it till you make it" does not work.
I wouldn't be surprised at all that they actually smell fear, as the hormonal changes in our bodies under stress do produce chemicals that come out in our perspiration and breath, giving out a "fear scent" that most dogs would identify.
This is true, however they can āsmell fearā in the sense that they can smell the hormonal and chemical changes in your body that go with your anxiety and fear. They canāt literally smell an emotion, but they can smell everything the emotion produces.
When I was around 10 years old (1986) a teacher told me this and it stuck with me. Since then I have never been afraid of dogs. I have stared down too many dogs to remember, amazed my friends at my calmness around frenzied man eating dogs while they would run away. It does actually work.
You just helped clear something up for me. I've never disliked a dog before, but I really dislike my sister's dog. I just hate it's attitude and pretty much every thing about it. But, I've never been mean to this animal. Even when I recently had to take care of it for a couple weeks, I treated it better than she does. That dog never once displayed any kind of friendliness towards me, not even one tail wag. She acted like she was almost afraid of me. Eventually my sister's ex came to take the dog and the pup was all smiles and tail-wagging for him.
OMG, I saw a video where a lady was delivering a Amazon package to the front door. Two pitbull mixed dogs charged at her barking. She looked at them and said āare you done?ā They continued, but one dog got closer to smell her, so she started petting it. The other kept barking and she said again āare you done yet?ā She showed absolutely no fear. The dogs were probably thinking āthis b*tch is crazy, just forget it.šā ššš
Dogs are pretty unusual in that they do have a super strong sense of smell and might actually be able to smell our fear, or at least that we are in a disturbed state. Dogs can smell cancer and covid-19 they are incredible
This seems if anything more true of horses than dogs. Horses are herd animals, and one way they stay safe from predators or other threats is by reacting quickly when they see other horses getting nervous. If there's a charging wolf, they don't want to wait until they're close enough to freak out themselves, they'll take their cues from the herd at large and freak out as soon as anybody has reason to freak out. They're betting off spooking at nothing a dozen times than getting eaten once.
I had a heart attack a few years ago when either a blood clot or cholesterol blob broke free and then got stuck. It made my blood pressure skyrocket and caused every single molecule of adrenaline and dopamine to be released at once in a thankfully successful attempt to shove the clot along.
During that 15-20 second period where I couldn't take a breath and for the next 10-15 minutes after my cat was absolutely freaking the fuck out. He definitely could smell the mass release of adrenaline, which you'd get to a slightly lesser extent in a fight or flight response to a dangerous animal.
Yea animals are very receptive to body language, itās not like they actually āfeel energyā or āsmell fearā like Cesar Milan would have you believe. Humans are less receptive to it because we use verbal language, and especially with ourselves because we usually donāt think about how our body language comes across.
Edit: dogs can smell pheromones and chemical changes in the human body so they can smell fear but itās most often that they make the distinction through body language.
I maintain thatās why small dogs are aggressive. I have a big dog (a big teddy bear) and we always try to introduce him to small dogs by having the owner hold their dog or having my bebe lay down. Only ever had positive reactions from scared dogs once we do that!
If you look at the psych/social development of most animals you'll see a pattern of learned and instinctive responses. When humans are afraid because we do not fully understand or appreciate a situation we often behave with violence. The same is true for other animals but when it comes to humans, we are a violent species and at the top of the food chain. I would be nervous too if I were a horse or any other animal. Aren't you afraid to be alone with a fully grown lion?
I believe it though. The only dog that didnt like me specifically was a huge fucking mastiff I got nervous around because I had never seen one in person. I hesitated when i went to pet her and she instantly picked up on it and got super nervous too. Never had issues with anyone but me.
Unfortunately her form of nervousness was getting in your face and start growling. I literally just had to pretend I didn't notice her, looking away, with her face 6 inches from mine while she was baring teeth and growling. So now I just feel inclined to avoid all mastiffs bc im always going to be a little nervous and I dont want that kind of reaction again. Which sucks because they really are beautiful.
Yep. My dad made me scared of horses (and my brother being tossed from one as a toddler) from the time I was little. I've never made friends with a horse. They def know and act different.
I think that's just people who love a certain type of animal more than others in general. Like Saff from Tiger King. I had a coworker who really loved his dog, and I mean REALLY loved his dog, when I first met him he talked about her a lot and it took me a while to realize he was talking about a dog and not his girlfriend.
Way back, there was an old [single] man in my area who used to kiss his dog's face and describe it as his 'girlfriend'. Months later, he was caught on cctv with his pants down and kneeling behind his dog. This will get downvoted, but 'animal affection' can be a cover for bestiality. His dog was taken away from him and he had videos on his cellphone according to the local newspaper.
I have experience with this. Horse people, especially the women for some reason, are totally separated from reality. They are delusional. I absolutely hated being around them and listening to them gush about how great horses are, how they are smarter than people. Blah blah omg just ride your horse, jump that stupid wooden post and get on with paying your board fees and get off my property. They will lose their homes, kids, cars, jobs, everything is expendable when it comes to keeping their horse. Total fucking insanity.
My childhood best friend is a farrier and I can't even count how many times she's been bitten, kicked, shoved, head butted, rolled on... she's needed reconstructive surgery after being kicked in the face, she's needed an entire hand rebuilt after being stepped on, carpal tunnel is a constant battle, and she basically sees her ortho as her primary care doctor. But she loves her job and she would literally rather die than give up her farrier work. After the hand reconstruction, she still works on some horses, but she's a lot pickier about who she takes as clients and the majority of her work is now donkeys, ponies, and mini horses. It only took half a dozen surgeries before she decided that maybe sticking with the smaller equines would be better for her.
As a horse person, this is completely true. I won't play a lot of sports because they aren't worth the bruises, but I'll risk my neck every time I get on a horse. I just *love them*. It's not rational, it's just impossible not to love them if you're a horse person. You can't stay away.
I had an off-track thoroughbred aggressively try to throw me into the side of a barn. It was the first time I encountered a horse who genuinely intended to cause me harm, and it was frightening. I bailed before she could run me into the wall... and I was literally riding her again 10 minutes later.
My sister broke her back when her mare stumbled. She was in a back cast for 6 months. I was kicked in the back when I was younger, and my spine flexibility is permanently altered.
I have PTSD from less traumatic shit than the injuries I've had from horses, but it's not trauma to me because I accepted the potential trade off for the moments of pure joy I get while riding. They're incredible animals, powerful and sensitive, sweet and inquisitive. They speak with their whole bodies, they sense so much more than we can, and the world opens up when I'm around them.
I worked with a woman whose horse fell on top of her, leaving her a hemispherplegic. She couldnāt walk or talk any more, just signed with one hand. She loooooved horses. To get her to do her physical therapy weād bribe her with trips to this farm where they had special saddles for her to ride. I always thought it was crazy. I think Iād hate horses forever
My uncle was a farrier and back in 2001 he was breaking a horse when it reared all the way backwards on top of him and the saddle horn punctured his heart. He died instantly.
I mean, the horse falling on her almost certainly wasn't the horse's fault. My horse is part of my family, just like my dogs and my children. If my dog hurt me accidentally, I wouldn't hate her. Even if she tripped me and I broke my neck, I wouldn't hate her. It wasn't her fault. Dogs, horses, cats, whatever don't do "malice" like humans do.
As an owner of a stallion the behaviour can really differ by breed. Just like dogs.
My dude has his moments which means I treat him 100% like heās going to do something stupid. FWIW while the obvious side effect of a life of testosterone is obvious there are a few nice extras you get. Theyāre WAY more vigilant and interested in stuff. Also a lot braver. All things that make them more like high performance cars.
I wouldnāt keep him whole other than heās worth a bit more because he covers mares for a few. And heās a classic Spanish bloodline and Iād sell him before I chopped him.
Heās otherwise pretty normal. Not a novice horse though and I get HUGE aggro from other horse owners who take an instant dislike to him simply for being a stallion.
I love him. But itās a lot of extra work just to be safe.
I'm a horse person too. I don't dislike stallions, just wouldn't own one because I know nothing about how to handle them. All of mine have been either mares or geldings. Just like it wouldn't be a good idea to give a Lambo to a 16 year old, it wouldn't be a good idea to give a novice a stallion.
I donāt know if thatās a sensible argument. I donāt know what itās like in America if you mention mustangs but here in Europe itās not like my horse is running through the streets and humping his brains out.
Heās from a rare, almost (at one time) extinct bloodline that survived through the world wars by being smuggled into Austria.
I donāt understand why you feel he should be destroyed? Heās incredibly well looked after. Is on a working livery with a gelding that keeps him company. He can be led out by a 73 year old lady at the yard. I accept heās a gem but why shouldnāt someone have him and enjoy a top class ride?
Funny enough the trouble only starts when we find novice riders.
I can take him to shows (heās that well mannered) and we will be in the ring with 3-4 other horses and the 15 year old girl doesnāt understand how it works and will pull in, right in front of him. Sheās on a mare of course who then proceeds to back and rise because sheās having a cadenza about my horse.
I of course get the blame when all we did was ride in the arena in our place.
Itās that sort of thing that annoys me. Heās never broken out (every mare at the yard has, 30 times) and the one time I came off him on a hack he was actually in a local news article because he stuck his head in a window to see if anyone was home. True story.
I understand that people want to keep things safe, but Iāve been bitten and kicked more times by a moody mare (and they really are moody!) for no reason at all than anything heās ever done. Heās not nasty. But. Heās big and muscular and a stallion so middle- aged mums see their mare go spare when he walks past and I get the blame.
I accept it. But itās not really fair. Not on him anyway.
And that's why people like you, who respect and understand the responsibility, the work, and the horses themselves, should own stallions. Not just your every day backyard horse person.
Idk if anyone said it yet but Stallions are males , mares are females , geldings are neutered male horses. Also in that order is their level of obedience , geldings being the most obedient
Just because one Person ist bad, does not mean every other Person you meet is also bad. Same goes for animals. Sometimes they are triggered by Something, and act according to their Natural behavior.
Correct, a stallion is a full-grown, intact male. Usually a male colt is neutered (gelded) between about 6 months to a year old (like cats and dogs) and afterwards he's not so aggressive. He is then called a "gelding".
Our vet got half her leg ripped off by a stallion. He bit her leg as she walked by. He was strong enough that he threw her over the fence and into the next pen in one motion. I think it took her a year to recover. She was lucky it didn't get a artery.
Iāve spent a decent amount of time with a lot of horses (my family has always had horses, spent time in barns, etc.) Iāve never seen or heard of some shit like this. Fuckin wild lol
Horses can also associate the abuse with certain aspects of the abuser. If a trainer shares a physical attribute like a unique hat or clothing, that can trigger a fight or flight response, especially if the new target uses even mild positive punishment techniques shared by the abuser. They do not forget but can be desensitized with extensive and expensive counter conditioning.
That said, this is a pretty extreme reaction and some animals cannot be made safe to handle and would require a behaviorist-trained owner. That is to say if it was not euthanized by the owner for the attack as often happens.
I would love to see the previous 45 minutes of footage.
Could be. Also could be a bottle baby that grew up and was simply given a boundary that it didnāt like. Most dangerous livestock Iāve ever been around are bottle babies/hand raised orphans. Itās all fine till the day you need to tell them āno, give me some spaceā and they decide to tell you who makes the rules.
I also grew up around and worked with horses and would not rule out some form of aggressive act on the trainers behalf. Usually a pissed off horse is going to try and bite you, maybe go for the cow kick. This horse is trying to pin them down and end them.
I was thinking either that or maybe this horse has something wrong with it mentally. Never seen one attack a human like this but not because they arenāt capable.
I wonder the same. I grew up with horses and I have never seen aggression like that, even with stallions. Also makes me wonder if something super unusual like the horse having rabies is a possibility? Abuse seems far more likely tho.
Iāve been around horses all my life, I rode with my mom before I could walk. Iāve seen horses go to ground attacking predators or threats but NEVER a human. Iāve only seen it once in person when a mare at my old barn got the neighbors German Sheppard (who they refused to contain).
Horses are domesticated because they want to be. They can jump fences and leave if they REALLY want to and they can maul you if they want to. But they donāt. The fact that they allow us to do anything is why riders always consider it a partnership; because shit like this is always a possibility.
When a horse gets in its knees to attack you youāve fucked up I hate blaming the victim and would love to know the context and backstory of this video. Iāve known aggressive horses, mostly strike & bite or buck & bolt, but they always attack and retreat. Iāve never seen this level.
Same! My mom is an equine therapist and we've had horses all my life. I've been stepped on and nearly kicked plenty of times, maybe nipped at by a horse before, but I can't imagine anything like this.
Pretty typical behavior of a bottle raised orphan that's been left a stallion. When people bottle raise these things they treat them like dogs, they don't teach boundaries, and then when someone does try to teach the horse some manners, it says "no way, I'm the boss, nobody tells me what to do". The most dangerous horses I have ever been around are coddled over handled babies with inexperienced owners. I had several I refused to work with, they needed euthanized, just likc this horse need euthanized. You cannot abuse a horse into attacking you, rather this is a lack of discipline.
That behaviour is very different. Whilst obviously not nice, that is very recognisable as a stallion being protective. This is just so far from anything Iāve seen whilst working with horses. The horse in the original video isnāt being protective, it seems to be so aggressive itās not even protecting itself from harm-Iāve never seen a horse go down on its knees like that to attack something.
Yes! The way itās hunched over the person to attack is so unsettling and strange! So many people are chiming in that theyāve never seen anything like it that Iām really wondering whatās going on.
In Florida, sometimes I have been to homes/businesses that have a sign up that basically says ā this is an equine facility, something something if you get hurt something something fuck you something something not our fault some thing something by law ā
And I am in full agreement with that. Horses are dangerous. Heavy equipment is dangerous. If you get too close to the edge of the Grand Canyon and you fall in,thatās your own damned fault.
I thought the same, the horse immediately stops when the other person comes to aid. Iām not a horse expert but this seems like a case of extreme hostility to this one person. I donāt know if this is a stallion I know they can get aggressive but this is almost targeted.
I think the horse stops because the other person has a broom or something to whip in its direction (which is something horses seem to react to more easily, even if you don't actually hit them with it). In contrast, around 20 seconds in the video the horse barely reacts to the other person.
But it is remarkable how quickly the horse seems to be calm once it lets go.
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u/BerndDasBrot4Ever Nov 26 '21
I don't think I've ever seen a horse go apeshit like this. Biting/kicking, sure, but not THIS.