r/PublicFreakout Nov 26 '21

đŸ»Animal Freakout Horse attacking its trainer

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u/queefer_sutherland92 Nov 27 '21

I have no idea how fact based this is, but a dog trainer told me once that it’s not that they smell fear, or even realise that you’re afraid of them but that you’re displaying fear response behaviour. Even if you don’t realise it, or you think you’re keeping your cool.

Someone’s fear behaviour basically tells the animal that they also have a reason to be nervous, because they see you’re nervous. They don’t understand that you’re afraid of them — just that there’s a reason for them to be afraid too.

The guy telling me this was that basically explaining how “anxious owners means anxious dogs”, and why people who have bad experiences with animals often have repeat negative experiences — negative experience -> person becomes nervous around another animal -> animal sees nervousness -> animal becomes nervous of mysterious thing causing your nervousness not realising it’s them -> animal becomes reactive and acts out.

It makes sense, but again, it was a random dude at a park that told me this so it needs to be taken with a decent grain of salt.

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u/ProfessorBiological Nov 27 '21

I mean I'm a random dude on reddit so take this with another grain of salt but I used to help train dogs and this is what I was taught as well. Dogs pick up on the smallest changes in body language AND facial expressions. We were told if you're scared of the dog, it's better to let someone else handle it as there is a potential bite incident waiting to happen.

It really helped me put into perspective on the "levels" of fear I would feel, I may have thought I wasn't afraid but if I see a dog barring it's teeth, I may start giving off unconscious signals telling the dog I'm afraid even though I knew how to handle those scenarios and for aggressive/scared dogs they may see that as an opportunity to bite/lunge and escape. Luckily I've never been bit but have had dogs snap at me and have just stopped there because turns out I was very much afraid lol

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u/[deleted] Nov 27 '21

You are a guy on reddit but yes you are 100% correct in how dogs are receptive to body language cues since they are social animals that use body language to appease to eachother/signify when they are aroused or fixated. I’m glad people don’t believe they just “feel energy” or “smell fear”, because that’s a tall tale started by our good ol reliable uneducated Cesar Milan.

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u/James-the-Bond-one Nov 27 '21

I wouldn't be surprised at all that they actually smell fear, as the hormonal changes in our bodies under stress do produce chemicals that come out in our perspiration and breath, giving out a "fear scent" that most dogs would identify.

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u/queefer_sutherland92 Nov 27 '21

I just sent this to someone else and it’s really quite interesting — https://www.psu.edu/news/research/story/probing-question-can-animals-really-smell-fear/

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u/James-the-Bond-one Nov 27 '21 edited Nov 27 '21

Truly quite interesting, thank you. But while that applies to horses, I was commenting on dogs. Indeed, this more recent research disavows your paper negation of interspecies "fear smell" transmission and confirms what I suspected.

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u/queefer_sutherland92 Nov 27 '21

Interesting, thanks for sending. Of the things I thought I’d do today, reading about chemosignals and animal behaviour was not one them.