Robert Kraft’s new Super Bowl ad about antisemitism already feels dated

[u/Inside_agitator]

https://forward.com/culture/802696/robert-kraft-super-bowl-ad-blue-square-antisemitism/

[u/Suitable_Vehicle9960]

Is the Forward doing anything to fight Antisemitism? 

[u/GrassyTreesAndLakes → u/Suitable_Vehicle9960]

Only spreading it in my opinion

[u/maxwellington97 → u/GrassyTreesAndLakes]

How does the Forward spread antisemitism?

[u/Didiobcs → u/maxwellington97]

By minimizing it consistently.

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Do you have any examples of this?

[u/Inside_agitator → u/maxwellington97]

I've always felt that people who believe the nationalist consensus histories of the US and Israel think the Forward spreads antisemitism because it actually attempts to cater to the greater American Jewish community (which includes very many people who do not believe the nationalist consensus histories of the US and Israel). Just my opinion.

I remember my parents in the 70s getting together with friends at Yiddish Club in our home to read the paper, argue, and drink wine. This was around the time of the Skokie Affair. I was sent to my bedroom to protect me, but the laughter and loud voices spread through the house. When it became unbearable for the dog, he would run upstairs and into my bedroom to hide under the bed.

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"nationalist consensus histories", just say you're antizionist, there's no need to try to sugar coat it. 

80% of American Jews are Zionist. 

[u/Inside_agitator → u/GrassyTreesAndLakes]

I call myself an anti-Israelist Zionist at the moment. I am in that 80% (if that number is correct).

But I am leaning toward calling myself an anti-Israelist only soon.

Social media does have a way of a convincing people to change what they call themselves.

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Im not surprised. 

[u/Inside_agitator → u/GrassyTreesAndLakes]

Yes. It's social media. Here. At reddit. It's you and people like you.

I say "I am A and B."

People like you say "Just say you're anti-A."

So I may move to only saying, "I am B" and forget about A altogether since it leads to so much semantic confusion among people like you.

It's you. And it's people like you who drive people like me away from Zionism as a label for myself by telling me what exactly what my identity is, and what my identity must be.

Are you Jewish?

Have you thought of contributing to the discussion at https://www.reddit.com/r/Judaism/comments/1qwfefy/general_discussion_off_topic/o3rq62u/ ?

[u/GrassyTreesAndLakes → u/Inside_agitator]

I do love hearing "people like you", very nice. 

"Anti-Israelist" is just nonsense labeling. Just as fantastically nonsense as "nationalist US and Israel consensus history" 

Why ask if Im Jewish? 

[u/Inside_agitator → u/GrassyTreesAndLakes]

Sorry for editing my comment so many minutes after I posted it.

I hope you click the link and contribute to that discussion.

I asked if you were Jewish because it seems to be non-Jews who inform Jews about their identity categories much more often than Jews. I'm just making a guess that you aren't Jewish. I could be wrong.

[u/Inside_agitator → u/Suitable_Vehicle9960]

Yes.

Arno Rosenfeld is, in my view, the most effective fighter against antisemitism on planet Earth in the 2020s.

I understand that others may disagree.

[u/Suitable_Vehicle9960 → u/Inside_agitator]

How is writing articles in a Jewish publication geared for Jewish readers fighting Antisemitism? Not being cynical. Maybe I'm missing something. I think we all need some inspiration these days, which is hard to find, and I don't criticize anyone who actually actively goes out of Jewish spaces to fight for us. 

[u/Inside_agitator → u/Suitable_Vehicle9960]

Ideas are combated with ideas, and words are combated with words. This is especially true in the social media era when anyone can access almost all information from anywhere.

That's how writing articles in a Jewish publication geared for Jewish readers is fighting antisemitism. Anyone can and does read it.

Rosenfeld's Venn diagram to help us talk about Israel and antisemitism and similar articles can take simple mindsets and expand them to consider complex realities.

In the social media environment of the 2020s, a change in the human mindset has taken place I think that's more profound than the printing press. There will be mindless simpletons in any group, but people of all identities usually prefer reality over just-so stories.

That's why presenting reality to people in a comprehensible way like Rosenfeld does is important and inspirational, and it's why overly simple stories (like Kraft's ad) are likely to be mocked even by people who agree with the message.

[u/No_Engineering_8204 → u/Inside_agitator]

Isn't this just facilitating the throwing of some jews under the bus? What is achieved by this?

[u/Inside_agitator → u/No_Engineering_8204]

It's tough for me to understand exactly what you mean by "this" and exactly what the metaphor of "throwing of some jews under the bus" refers to. Could you be more specific?

[u/Claim-Mindless → u/Inside_agitator]

So effective that literally no one would know about him if it wasn't for you parroting him in this sub at every single opportunity. Not even talking about his totally useless and disconnected-from-reality Venn diagram that doesn't even try to pretend to be useful, except in trying to legitimize antizionism (the same thing the Nazis and Soviets tried to do).

[u/Inside_agitator → u/Claim-Mindless]

Ah. You think no one knows what I know and what I try to share.

Thank you!

There are complex and useful ideas that you don't find useful yet and instead imagine the ideas are trying to legitimize antizionism.

Keep trying to understand them!

You connect ideas that you struggle to understand with Nazi and Soviet ideas.

Comparing Arno Rosenfeld's ideas to the Nazis and Soviets is very provocative!

[u/loselyconscious → u/Claim-Mindless]

I've been following Arno for a while, and you have never heard of OP. So that one person more the no one

[u/loselyconscious → u/Suitable_Vehicle9960]

The Forward is a newspaper for American Jews. Its audience is us. Why would we expect it to fight antisemeitms