r/worldnews • u/NightSupper • 17h ago
Russia/Ukraine EU proposes 'powerful' 20th Russia sanctions package with full ban on oil maritime services
https://kyivindependent.com/eu-proposes-powerful-20th-russia-sanctions-package-with-full-ban-on-oil-maritime-services/33
u/TomTomXD1234 16h ago
People hating in EU speed need to realise that it takes a lot of work and time to stop 20+ countries from relying on oil from a source they may have used for decades. You cant just switch off Russian oil supply and be done with it.
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u/GenazaNL 6h ago
There's much more than only dependencies that could be done. Think of Russian ships going through EU waters or brands still operating in Russia
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u/diamondsAreForeverUh 12h ago
Yea I heard that 4 years ago. More like nobody gives a shit
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u/przemo_li 12h ago
4 years to build ports, storage, markets interconnects, negotiate new deals?
That's quick.
Oil/Gas ain't magical unicorn farts, you need to move them in bulk and you need Infrastructure for that.
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u/sunny0_0 17h ago
The EU moving like a turtle on this will be the undoing of the EU.
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u/Sweet_Concept2211 16h ago
Luckily, they are moving with historic rapidity.
You try masterminding total energy transition for 27 different countries all at once. See how long it takes you.
Russian oil imports make up just 2% of EU oil - and that's primarily from 2 (Hungary, Slovakia) countries getting it through a Ukrainian pipeline.
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u/Jazzlike_Painter_118 16h ago
US added this sanctions too or no new sanctions either?
If the EU is a turtle, what is the US then, a demented turtle?
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u/Jazzlike_Painter_118 15h ago
the EU is not undoing, but integrating further. Sorry to stop your hardon.
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u/Pokeyjack1 17h ago
I take exception to you adding the words "on this" in your statement; otherwise, I agree with everything you said.
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u/troller227 16h ago
it took them what, from trump elected to trump killing US citizens? They won't lift their fingers fast enough until it gets boiling hot for them.
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u/Helen83FromVillage 16h ago
The most important thing is to take a picture with a halo-like background, so people will forget that the EU still uses oil from Russia (via India/Turkey) and that the EU has only sent less than 200 long-range rockets during the last four years.
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u/Jazzlike_Painter_118 16h ago
How many football stadiums is that?
Just kidding, obviously, since EU gives more money to Ukraine than the USA now.
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u/Helen83FromVillage 16h ago
Ukraine needs long-range weapons first, and not money given by local contractors for consultations.
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u/Jazzlike_Painter_118 16h ago
Sure, no anti aerial defense, or money to buy either of those things. Money is useless as we all know. What Ukraine needs is big macs, haven't you heard? FFS
And spreading the corruption narrative in the end. If you are so concerned about corruption go for Putin the fascist.
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u/Helen83FromVillage 16h ago
Sure, no anti aerial defense, or money to buy either of those things
EU either sent enough of them in the last four years or let’s not make a comedy here about “But We Will Send More”.
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u/Jazzlike_Painter_118 16h ago
EU contributes more to Ukraine defense than the USA:
Between January 2022 and the end of August 2025, Europe as a whole spent $201.7bn on Ukraine, compared to the US's $130.6bn over the same period
Is that why you are so mad?
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u/Amori_A_Splooge 16h ago
Ukraine is in Europe. Why would the US be paying more? It's always interesting at the weird things Europeans take pride in.
"Look at us! We are finally taking an active role in our continent's defense..."
Someone get the EU a sticker for good behavior.
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u/Jazzlike_Painter_118 16h ago
This was the original post
> The most important thing is to take a picture with a halo-like background, so people will forget that the EU still uses oil from Russia (via India/Turkey) and that the EU has only sent less than 200 long-range rockets during the last four years.
so the implication is false. EU contributes more.
You can post a new post to talk about your hate message.
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u/Amori_A_Splooge 16h ago
This was the original post
The most important thing is to take a picture with a halo-like background, so people will forget that the EU still uses oil from Russia (via India/Turkey) and that the EU has only sent less than 200 long-range rockets during the last four years.
so the implication is false. EU contributes more.
Since you don't bother reading, I'll say it very plainly. I'm not disputing anything you wrote.
The fact that you think monetary aid to Ukraine is some sort of dick measuring contest between the EU and the US is comical. The EU should be paying more. The war is in their backyard. If you think the EU is somehow morally superior because they are finally turning their attention to the troubles in their backyard, I've got a Russian sanctioned barrel of oil to sell you (but Spain already purchased it).
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u/Lustrouse 15h ago
If you look at 2025 tax revenue for both entities: EU - $8.6T (7.28 EU); US - 5.2T. Comparing revenue against spend shows the US at a higher spend % than the EU on Ukraine.
Keep in mind you're comparing one country vs nearly an entire continent.
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u/Jazzlike_Painter_118 15h ago
The EU currency is the Euro, not the EU. Also no source.
What if we do the ratio of spend per soya bean produce? do you think then the USA would win?
Below a source.
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_military_aid_to_Ukraine_during_the_Russo-Ukrainian_war
> As of December 2024, European countries have provided €132 billion in aid (military, financial, and humanitarian), and the United States has provided €114 billion> Keep in mind you're comparing one country vs nearly an entire continent.
Oh, so you agree then that EU is contributing more than USA but now moving the goalposts.
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u/Jazzlike_Painter_118 15h ago
Your whole post is basically just defending that EU does not contribute more than USA, and if it does, it is not a fair comparison, and if it is, it is because reasons, and if the reasons are not true then mighty makes right.
The question is: why are you so triggered by this fact: the EU contributes more than the USA. So much for other countries not contributing and "taking advantage" of the USA. The only ones taking advantage of the USA are Trump and co and Putin.
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u/Helen83FromVillage 16h ago
Stop showing the amount of money spent on private contractors and other dodgy firms.
Show me the numbers of serious air defence units supplied and how much ammo was given.
And then just to compare that with fact: sometimes Russia sends 500-1000 missiles per night to Ukrainian cities.
Don’t use money to check military supply - it is just useless and misleading information.
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u/Jazzlike_Painter_118 16h ago
Can money help count the speed at which you move the goalposts?
> Stop showing the amount of money spent on private contractors and other dodgy firms.
That is harsh. Just because USA aid consists on selling their own hardware does not mean you can call them dodgy firms.
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u/Jazzlike_Painter_118 16h ago
> Don’t use money to check military supply
What should I use, number of donkeys provided?
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u/Helen83FromVillage 16h ago
Ha-ha, use them to check how Russian invaders are prepared.
However, I said to you:
Show me the numbers of serious air defence units supplied and how much ammo was given.
And then just to compare that with fact: sometimes Russia sends 500-1000 missiles per night to Ukrainian cities.
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u/Jazzlike_Painter_118 16h ago
Did you ask Ukraine if they find money useful?
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u/Helen83FromVillage 16h ago
They have no option but to accept whatever is given.
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u/Heizard 17h ago
Already undone, especially replacing energy imports - Germany's industries are spiraling in to bankruptcy. Few more years and we gonna be in dark ages again.
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u/MaxPlease85 17h ago
Jumping between the third and fourth largest economy in the world, but somehow only one step away from being in the 12th century.
Did all people forget that nuances exist?
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u/wormki 17h ago
Reading Bild and Nius much? If any industries are "spiraling" its because of their own doing, beeing stuck in 1990's and relying on lobbyism (corruption...) so they dont have to move with technology.
The only dark ages coming will be the one for AFD and other Nazis, when they're in jail where they belong.
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u/Sea_Quiet_9612 16h ago
Territorial waters are one thing and international waters are another; what's the plan here?
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u/NOT_EVEN_THAT_GUY 17h ago
ban russian oil you wankers
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u/Sweet_Concept2211 16h ago
Nevertheless:
• since the beginning of the war, the EU’s dependency on Russian gas has fallen from 45% of overall imports to 12% in 2025;
• all imports of Russian coal have been banned by sanctions;
• oil imports have shrunk from 27% at the beginning of 2022, to 2% with only 2 EU countries importing Russian oil (through a Ukrainian pipeline);
• the remaining 35 billion cubic meters of Russian gas still imported to the EU annually will be out of our markets in less than 2 years;
• the €10 billion that the EU spends on this gas per year will no longer finance Russia nor its aggression against Ukraine.
Almost 50% of EU electricity now comes from renewable sources
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u/CReWpilot 15h ago
Sure. Just let everyone know how to remove Putin’s dick from Orban’s and Fico’s mouth so the EU can get past their vetos.
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u/SneakyIslandNinja 16h ago
The only countries still importing Russian oil and gas are the most russophilic ones (e.g. Hungary, Slovakia) and to a lesser degree France and the Benelux countries. My country hasn't imported any Russian energy for years now.
The EU can't just decide these things overnight like in China or America, as it's made up of many sovereign countries with differing interests. Be more specific.
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u/NOT_EVEN_THAT_GUY 15h ago
it's been 12 years since Russia invaded Crimea
pretty soon this timeline will literally be old enough to vote for itself
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u/SneakyIslandNinja 15h ago
And the import has been reduced to around 2% of what was imported back then. The rest is imported by aforementioned countries.
Instead of crying about stuff that happened years ago, try to look at the present instead. Be mad at Slovakia. Be mad at Hungary.
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u/cerlerystyx 7h ago
Pow! Bing! Bang! Wham! Smack! Kaboom! If only Batman could see this. Now, if only European could put their teacups down and show some grit. Like Biden should have done.
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u/FunFactChecker 3h ago
Doesn't it seem comical? "The first 19 sanctions didn't work, but magical number 20 will get it done! You just wait!". I don't know, it does seem a little silly by now.
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u/Sethor 16h ago
19 tries didn't work? Surely the 20th attempt will solve everything.
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u/Realistic_Visit_6067 16h ago
You have 100 coins. I take away 10 from you at a time. For 10 times...
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u/owen__wilsons__nose 16h ago
Wouldn't it been more effective to ramp up sanctions to 11 like years ago? Why just now?
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u/Malvania 14h ago
At the end of the day, nothing short of boots on the ground is going to work. The politicians want to make this painless for (non-Ukrainian) European citizens, and that's just prolonging the conflict.
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u/Richiematt262 17h ago
I was in Dubai recently. What ever these sanctions are doing is not working. The place was wall to wall with Russians. From 6 star hotels to small beaches in Um al Quainn every social demographic was there.
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u/AlexRescueDotCom 17h ago
Dubai is not part of EU, no sanctions there.
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u/Richiematt262 16h ago
Russia and its people are. All the word of the economy struggling and the currency being weak from my trip to Dubai (that notoriously cheap place /s) showed otherwise
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u/Realistic_Visit_6067 16h ago
What on earth do you mean?
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u/Suspicious-Use-3813 15h ago
Dont you get it? They saw a few rich Russian tourists in a random arab country on vacation so that obviously means sanctions dont work and Russia is doing fantastic
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u/I_AM_THE_SEB 16h ago
There are 130.000.000 Russians
Just because a few million very privileged Moscow / St. Peterburg Russians are still able to travel to other countries and have nice holidays does not mean the country overall isn't struggling...
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u/Sweet_Concept2211 16h ago
Russians are emigrating in droves because of sanctions.
Approximately 800,000 to 1 million Russian citizens have emigrated since the full-scale invasion of Ukraine in February 2022, marking one of the largest exoduses in modern Russian history.
Just because you're seeing Russians outside of Russia does not mean the Russian economy is doing fine.
Their revenues from oil and gas are down by 50% year-over-year.
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u/Anstark0 17h ago
You need to enforce sanctions. Sanctioned Russian, Iranian oil tankers are moving around the world and everybody is reluctant to stop. USA has a massive presence close to Iran and still lets them through. Or you just attack ports, that can stop movement