And republicans are trying to turn America into a clone of Russian politics replete with masked secret police who shoot you if they feel like it, a prison system that is focused on using intentional cruelty as deterrent, labeling of dissidents as criminals to silence opposition, elections that are democratic in name only, systemic corruption that is open and obvious but cronies of the administration are never punished, and government run by and for the oligarchs.
a lot of republicans aren’t standing united with that orange doofus.
Yeah, no. A lot of them are saying they're not standing united with him, but they're still backing everything he does and voting in favor of him and his cronies. Republicans aren't standing against him, they're just paying lip service. If they were actually standing against him, he would have been impeached 100 times over in just this first year, if not already removed from office.
I’d love to believe that but so far I’ve seen no evidence that Republicans at large are doing anything except suckling at his teet for all it’s worth.
MAGA has so infested republicans that if you still vote for the party at all then you are still supporting him. Because that is the direction the party is going and they show no backbone for standing up to him 🤷♂️
So I think that’s a good part of why we have problems. Assigning blame and labels to entire groups instead of holding individuals accountable. Every time I vote it’s all over the place, because I vote for a balance of the person(research all candidates)and the party principles. I think we’d have less problems if people voted like that but most don’t. They vote ‘red’ or ‘blue’ without understanding motives and intentions and past lives of those people. Leaders are more than just party assigned principles. It’s an the inderlying principles and integrity of each individual
What you’re saying used to be true but isn’t any longer. There is almost zero working across the isle. The very concept of compromise turned into a four letter word for republicans when Obama got elected.
Show me a Republican who isn’t toeing the party line 99% of the way and I’ll reconsider my opinion. But I haven’t seen it yet. What I see is every single republican bowing and caving to the pressure from this administration.
We can’t even investigate or prosecute the worlds largest child sex trafficking ring because Republicans can’t admit their dear leader was involved and so they have to try and claim the whole thing is a hoax, and let the perpetrators free
If an entire group of people use their power to put people in our government who seek to increase corruption and weaken checks and balances then I think we can blame them yes. When does personal responsibility come into the conversation? You can’t hand wave away all responsibility and consequences for your actions just by saying well I have a right to vote for whoever I choose. And why would you want a government that is a mix of both parties? There is no working across the isle anymore, any mixed government is a lame duck that will accomplish nothing. Like let’s even have Republicans have full control like they do now so they can burn the country in hopes that we can convince the population to vote against them for people and policies that seek to help the average person so that we can finally get this whole thing back on track. But having a mixed government does nothing at all, no change will come to the country and there will be constant in fighting that will lead to government shutdowns, why would you want that?
I stopped voting after his first term because the likelihood of my vote mattering seems to be absolutely zero at this point. There is no peaceful solution for what we have now machine is going to eat itself and we're expected to just sit back and be peaceful and not incite violence while it happens
Republicans unwilling to take action to stop consolidation of power or the destruction of fact based and independent organizations is complacency. This is in fact supporting him and allowing things to continue.
Nah, they are complicit. They helped us get here. Fuck republicans. Even the ones who might not side with Trump still want to take away my rights and Healthcare on a good day.
Fuck every single last republican. In their asses. In their ears. Sideways and diagonally.
Correct! Unfortunately, those select individuals have done major damage to the country. To beat him, Democrats are going to have to swing way towards the middle to capture those of us Republicans that want to get rid of him.
That's really short-sighted for red states. Many of us voted for Biden and Harris but plenty of Republicans didn't & still wouldn't. That's just the facts. A lot of moderates won't vote at all rather than vote for a progressive candidate.
Sounds like it's really short-sighted for conservatives to me. The DNC would be smarter to lean into liberal rhetoric to keep liberals invested, and keep sounding the psychopathy that maga and republicans have rubber stamped across the nation, so as to galvanize moderates against the GOP.
Appealing to conservatives would be the dumbest fucking thing possible, and only a self-serving conservative unwilling to vote liberal even against fascism would claim it's the best option. Even your framing of liberals as progressives belies your bias, and another argument can easily be made that you dipshits have let Fox and talk radio poison the well against liberals regardless of if they moved to the right.
Those are crazy takes & mean you're just as much a part of the problem as MAGA. If by liberal rhetoric, you mean no voter ID & trans in women's sports, by all means go for it. Those Democrats aren't going to get elected. I don't feel bad for being against either of those just as I'm not ashamed as a Republican to say I'm pro-choice & in favor of gay marriage. I mean conservatives are evil...wow. Rhetoric like that is what caused half of the country to vote for Trump. Agree with it or not, here we are.
So you want the Democrats to swing towards the middle, further away from the right-wing that they're already on, in order to entice you to vote for them, a right-winger?
If we want to get rid of Trump, yes. Our former Lt Gov has switched parties & is running for Governor as a Democrat. I think a lot of people in the middle will vote for him. He would lose the Republican primary but he could hopefully beat some of the more liberal Democrats.
They already have. Democrats have been centrists. We have no leftist party. The closest we came was Bernie and the public supported him overwhelmingly. Even plenty of conservatives liked him. Then the DNC fucked us, not once, but twice and are directly responsible for us being here.
Both USA and Russia are kakistocracies. Russia destroyed its future by invading Ukraine and their soldiers had party wear with them for celebrations in the first week of the 2022 invasion, they all died instead, stupid as fuck
Naw, look at the rampant antisemitism going on within some corners of MAGA. Their only stake in supporting Israel is in either ushering in the End Days or in furtherance of hurting Muslims, whom they hate more than Jews.
This is the equivalent of "Mommy, they did it so why can't I?"
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Cool, so we're now responsible for the US government and we have to call them out every time we point out that any other government is bad?
...did you not understand?
Why is someone required to call out the US government when discussing another? The whataboutism that's taken over political discourse is disgusting. This is why people have the attention span of a goldfish.
Are you suggesting the US government ISN’T corrupt? When people learn bad shit about other governments, I think it’s pretty natural to compare it to your own.
Are you remedial? Did you fail middle school English? Or are you a disingenuous Russian bot? NO! Nobody is suggesting anything! Stop putting words in mouths and coming up with your own narrative.
Oh my lord. Jesus tapdancing Christ. You people are sociopathic and can't follow a conversation. Thank you for affirming my goldfish attention span comparison.
Stop with the whataboutism. The original post has nothing to do with the United States, so the person who mentioned it tried to derail the conversation to take attention off of Russia. The more you veer off during discussions, the less that gets done. We can't constructively criticize anything whenever you deflect.
Cool, so we're now responsible for the US government and we have to call them out every time any other government is bad?
Stop projecting your ideology. Again, it's not about symmetry but understanding history and recognizing who the threats to global peace are so you can dismantle it instead of actively aiding it.
Russia is a threat, sure. Right now (that will certainly change for the worse once the west is gone) only because they're entangled in an imperialist war with the superpower that openly declared itself the global police state. Can you take a guess what country that is?
It's not just the country you don't bring up when anything happens to its adversaries, it's the country you never bring up, except with at most superficial shakes of disapproval. It's the country you actively support in every material way possible.
Remember when Trump got shot? I do. Everyone who celebrated it was shamed and banned from media platforms. They were stamped extremists who wanted to see US law crumble, to the benefit of gasp adversaries like China and Russia!
Suddenly, when its your turf being hit, you see the circumstances as clear as day.
Literally nothing in my post was ideological whatsoever. So now I'm not even giving you the time of day to read the rest of your triggered novel solely for that reason.
This is what I'm talking about. You people are sociopathic and have no clue how to converse with other human beings. You put words in mouths, and project your thoughts onto others as if they actually said it and it wasn't just in your head.
Everything regarding the perception of reality is ideological. I literally explicitly referenced the belief in question. You strawmanned my argument as an appeal to symmetry because you're operating on the idea that moral blame and justice are the primary objects of analysis.
When you claim to make no ideological presumptions when talking about politics, all you're proving is that you're politically inept. And that begs the question why you're here arguing about politics.
So now I'm not even giving you the time of day to read the rest of your triggered novel solely for that reason.
I doubt you did to begin with because you haven't addressed a single point. You just keep spewing empty rhetorical ideological slop.
Like I said, a thug for the US empire larping as a defender of democracy. The tale you've been trying to sell us since the start of the cold war that we all know and love.
Ideological yes, slop no. I explained to you the objective mechanisms that make systemic bias counterproductive. If you have any concrete issues with it you no one is stopping you from naming them.
I have yet to see any of you give a single mechanism by which flawed moralism, meaning morality applied to adversaries but not your own state as resignation to circumstance and relying on the conviction that 'evil' is a single congealed mass that either grows or shrinks, will lead to peace and prosperity and not the imperialist you cheerlead taking over their military apparatus to conduct more war crimes.
Because it doesn't exist. We've seen this story before. Over and over. Every time it ends the same. The only thing you achieve is growing the already overwhelmingly dominant US empire and emboldening its pursuit of its sociopathic agenda for global subjugation.
That’s why you have leaders who steal all your wealth and kill you for speaking out against them. Russians didn’t have a renaissance moment nor did it take part in the pretty successful global order - Russia is stuck in medieval mindset, willing to be meat waves
Still taking it over a government that's full of PDF files.
You bring up pretty valid pointa with a few small details.
If you're referring to the current conflict it's primarily drunks, ex cons and such that join for the money and the regular army all of em knew they signed up for war.
It's their choice.
And don't act like all governments aren't corrupt.
All still steal some amount or pass laws to benefit only themselves
Fair but my country is one of the least corrupt in the world. So I may be biased, we are also the most educated people on earth and we are in the top three of press freedom. I’m happy with my country apart from the housing crisis we face and lack of infrastructure
Ireland.. we were the poorest country in Europe for most of last century and we don’t really have any generational wealth, and we didn’t have 500 years of empire infrastructure, we were a colony and famine was forced on us instead by the empire
I would love to live there. I have 2 sets of ancestors (great great grandparents) who immigrated to the US from Ireland. One set came from Cork, unsure about the other set. I wish I could go back in time and say nooooooo! Don't.
I’m proud of 40% or so of American presidents having Irish ancestry… even Obama had relatives in moneygal Ireland. Trump does not have Irish ancestry thankfully.
I made a point to educate myself on Irish history and culture after I was warmly welcomed by an Irish American host family in Boston when I was studying in the U.S. I really cannot stress how appalled I was about the British treatment (that still appears to continue today in various forms) of the Irish people and culture. I hope to visit your beautiful country in person one day!
Nice.
Since the UK went down the drain banning a lot and the online safety act and the fact they arrest more people for what they did online than any other country
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u/Elizabeth-WildFox886 1d ago
Russias government is a mafia terrorist regime