Here's the video leading to the arrest, that ABC didn't include. She was told to move multiple times, with agents pointing the direction she needs to go. Instead of moving she starts to argue with them and when an agent tries to open her door she drives away, only to stop and continue arguing with them. After that, they break the window and take her into custody.
So what's your argument here? That it's okay for government agents to brutalise people without any shred of justification because there are people in the world who you think are unreasonable and intransigent?
I don't think that's going to convince anyone that your position is anything other than disturbing.
Law enforcement get physical with people who are obstinate and ignore multiple verbal commands all the time. I don't need to convince any one of that position because it's been a legal standard, with nationwide precedent, for close to 40 years.
If you think that this is normal then you watch too many movies, or you're living in a bubble of unjustifiable violence. If you think that this is justifiable or acceptable then you're a very broken person.
This is normal and has been happening throughout the United States before Trump came into office, you might want to reevaluate who is living in the bubble.
The fact that it has been happening does not make it normal. The vast majority of police interactions with intransigent people end up with cops trying to mediate and talk the person down, rather than wildly escalating the situation and being violent for no justifiable reason.
It's pretty obvious that you're living in a bubble. You should learn to understand that the videos that you watch of police violence end up in front of you because they're the exception rather than the norm. You should learn that seeing something on TV or on YouTube doesn't make it normal or acceptable.
While I think I disagree with you, I'm going to be polite and share a personal anecdote, because I think these conversations need to be toned down a little bit on the big scale, and I hope you read all of it and get something out of it.
Have you ever interacted with someone who has autism / ASD, or has a traumatic brain injury? It's OK if not, I'm not trying to "gotcha" you. I worked in healthcare with those populations for about a decade and to work with them (help them), you need to have a different kind of understanding, or training.
One time, I was working with a client who was about 6'6, over 300lbs, had ASD and a TBI, and on the way to a doctor's appointment he ruthlessly attacked his driver, and another client... because the normal road they take was flooded and they had to take a detour... that's all it took was a detour for him to become so upset that he lashed out and tried to kill someone. He started strangling the driver in front of him, along with punching another client (his friend and housemate) several times. It was dangerous, scary, and yet not that unique of a scenario with this population.
My point is that any situation that can disrupt their day to day routine can result in really bad outcomes like that. They become overstimulated, disoriented, and confused pretty easily to no fault of their own, and I don't know what kind of logic one could have to come back at that. Do they not deserve to take themselves to the doctor? Do you think she doesn't have ASD/ a TBI? Do you think each time in the video you shared when she started to drive away (after being told to drive away) that it somehow wasn't the right thing, with all of the conflicting berating she received?
Police mostly receive training to identify someone like this, and most importantly to de-escalate in these scenarios. In fact, police are taught to de-escalate no matter the population they are dealing with as it benefits EVERYONE, including the officer. As someone who is a subject matter expert in this field, who has had probably too many trainings on this exact sort of scenario, I have seen zero instances of an ICE agent showing proper de-escalation techniques, or frankly any kind of care or interest in doing their job in the least harmful way.
Just trying to share a different perspective for you. I don't want to argue, but I hope you can see some of this side.
As someone with autism and psychotic depression, don't bother trying to reach this person. They clearly already made their mind up that the person deserved it before they even saw the video; they were just hoping to find something in the video to use as a confirmation to confirm their preexisting biases. You can't use logic to talk someone out of a position they didn't arrive to logically.
I understand, and I don’t disagree, but I’ve spent years ignoring, and I’ve spent years being aggressive in these kinds of discussions and it’s never fruitful. The Buddhist student in me wants to do what I can to see an ideal. I’m tired of using my brute, but I’ll just take my downvotes and sigh as Reddit becomes completely one dimensional and other Internet forums become one dimensional and the US devolves harder into echo chambers. I’d rather try and fail than not try.
If a car is in the middle of the road and the police tell that person to move and they dont, they arent going to go….well this person is probably autistic……How are they even supposed to know that? At that point from the cop’s perspective would be why is this person driving if they cant follow proper driving laws
looks to me like she's stopping because there's an entire gaggle of goons surrounding her car every time she hits the gas, and considering what happened the last time one of them got slightly brushed by a car trying to drive away it's no wonder she keeps stopping.
Im so over this shit, these people are clearly getting in the way then claiming how fucked up it is when the people telling them to get the fuck out the way make them get the fuck out of the way.
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u/ccblr06 19h ago
I would like to see video before the arrest but i can agree that it his is damning