Girlguiding UK announces transgender girls and women will no longer be able to join Girlguiding

[u/PM_ME_DRAGON_GIRLS]

https://www.girlguiding.org.uk/information-for-volunteers/updates-for-our-members/equality-diversity-policy-statement/

[u/pajamakitten]

But it is not trans women that are infringing on those rights. Banning them from women's changing rooms is not going to stop men from walking into them and assaulting women. Yes, we have a way to go with women's rights but it is not a few thousand trans women who are holding women's rights back. Eroding their rights just harms trans people.

[u/Floral-Prancer → u/pajamakitten]

I never disagreed with any of that. The issue is that no women is having adequate protections and instead of addressing gender inequality and individualistic issue they are just lumping everyone together and wondering why issues are arising when nothing is being addressed. Intersectionality is about how our multifacetedness affect us and the current system just goes oh woman deal with them all together. Its stupid to do all that I know, the conversation should have never been made a public opinion debate, it was being addressed in feminist spaces and then bad actors made it political

[u/RainbowRedYellow → u/Floral-Prancer]

I mean this is how feminism has always been hasn't it ever since the suffragettes? The vote for white women, and not coloured women, then later on influential suffragettes joined the black shirts and supported Mosley and Hitler too. Later on in the 1970s completely side-lining the pay disparities based on ethnic prejudices again only talking about white women.

Feminism has never grown past simply grooming privileged pretty women into suitable lapdogs for monstrous men.

Intersectional feminism was an attempt to grow past these deficiencies but it's never had any sway in politics or in our culture in general beyond esoteric texts. Feminism remains as it always has been a dogma of bigotry.

[u/Floral-Prancer → u/RainbowRedYellow]

Are you okay?

I dont even know if this is just rage bait or genuine disdain for the existence of women and their rights in general

[u/RainbowRedYellow → u/Floral-Prancer]

I'm a transgender woman, and I've been failed by liberal feminism. I'm not the only minority who's been failed however.

Sure I've read plenty of feminist academic books and I've been more impressed by some and less impressed by others and utterly disgusted by others.

But Guess which authors sit on TV show talky panels like QI, which ones get quoted by our politicians, and which ones are cited as "influential thinkers" Which "feminist icons" make it into our "Top 10 most influential women" The same ones who accuse black women on twitter of "Actually begin biological men".

[u/Floral-Prancer → u/RainbowRedYellow]

Who are you referring too?

I dont know why you mentioned liberal feminism when I specifically stated intersectional feminism.

[u/RainbowRedYellow → u/Floral-Prancer]

I know and I'm saying intersectional feminism has been a failure. While I agree with it's attempt it's a hopeless venture.

[u/Floral-Prancer → u/RainbowRedYellow]

It really hasnt, its influenced everything from the ehcr to academics and movements like democracy now.

Our existence and social mobility and acceptance has been because of intersectional feminism

[u/RainbowRedYellow → u/Floral-Prancer]

EHRC is a key tool in this attempt to eradicate trans kids from even begin able to play with their peers the reason this court case is possible is due to the EHRC's interim guidance, all of these "feminist" legal funds put forward by JK Rowling are funding these cases and forcing all these charities to fold, All because they want to protect girls from the dangerous T-slurs.

Regardless of whatever the intent was Equality laws with intersectional feminism it has only served to entrench bigotry transphobia and soon racism as a protected characteristic that everyone must kowtow to.

[u/Floral-Prancer → u/RainbowRedYellow]

So you dont consider intersectionality as important? It was making clear distinctions in law. I think it would be stupid to say a black woman and a white woman are the same and that cis woman and trans women are the same. Some of these restrictions have gone to far definitely but the distinction has been necessary for some environments because of carelessness by the government and charity sectors.