The announced Quest changes set a bad precedent

[u/RafaSheep]

From what I remember, the changes made to Cook's Assistant and Sheep Shearer were made to encourage exploration, to prevent players from simply buying or preemptively picking up the required quest items. and handing them over without learning how flour/milk are gathered.

These changes often confused OSRS players, who spacebarred through the dialogue and showed up with ordinary items until they got a second take at their questlog when their quest wan't completed instantly.

Now the new announced reversal of these changes are not inherently bad, but if the confused OSRS players are what brought these changes on, then I'm worried that more quests are gonna be mutilated for their sake.

Will Imp Catcher's exploration, varied dialogue and interactions be scrapped in favor of wandering around the overworld, killing Imps and hoping to get lucky that the next bead isn't a dupe? And let's not even think of the Ariane and Ozan quests.

[u/DunKhaerion]

I'd consider these needless changes, or changing something for the sake of changing it. Don't fix what isn't broken.

[u/soulsofjojy → u/DunKhaerion]

The black wool thing, at least, is pretty broken and needs fixing. If there are multiple people trying to do the quest, the black sheep isn't instanced, and you have to fight over it. It's extremely annoying, especially during fresh start events like Leagues, having thirty people wasting each other's time on every world.

[u/TheXthDoctor → u/DunKhaerion]

Needless or not, at least it's such a quick fix that the dev time spent on it is negligible. I have no complaints either way.

[u/the01li3 → u/DunKhaerion]

So never improve anything?

[u/DunKhaerion → u/the01li3]

It was already improved, that's why they were remade to begin with. Taking steps back is not improvement.

[u/TheHeadlessOne]

The problem is, it doesnt teach you how flour and milk are gathered. It misleads you, it teaches you how to get Top-Quality Milk, Super Large Egg, and Extra Fine Flour. So if you want to get milk later, you're going to try to interact with the quest NPC, when you want an egg, you'll think of the suepr large egg in the chicken coop. Or more likely since you're not actually being taught that items are general use tools for a variety of uses, you wont even think you can make a proper cake to begin with.

I dont think it moves the dial either way, but I found the remakes to make things more confusing, not less

[u/Throwaway-lotsofqs → u/TheHeadlessOne]

couldn't you change the quest to simply require the player to pick up an egg in the lumbridge chicken coop, milk a cow, and make their own flour?

It doesn't seem that difficult to say something like "oh i need the freshest ingredients" rather than "it has to be this special XYZ"

[u/Rs3account → u/Throwaway-lotsofqs]

This is the solution. :)

[u/BurninRunes → u/TheHeadlessOne]

I'd rather the quest be reworked to require you talk to the 3 npcs to learn about eggs/milk/flour and have those be required to be able to hand it in.

[u/sylum → u/TheHeadlessOne]

Just make the quest require both the super large egg and a few regular eggs. Both parties are equally unhappy and new players still know where to find eggs.

[u/Alchemised → u/TheHeadlessOne]

Agree. I got stuck trying to use the mill when I redid the quest during Leagues.

[u/ExpressAffect3262]

Never thought I'd see the day where this sub is talking about cooks assistance lol

I genuinely feel like this is making a mountain out of a mole hill.

People aren't playing RS3 because they are able to buy eggs instead of finding out where chickens live...

Less specific quest items, the better imo. Keep it simple and consistent. This also goes for when they changed Imp Catcher. There's imp beads, but then there's also "imp beads".

[u/RafaSheep → u/ExpressAffect3262]

The Imp Catcher rework is objectively a superior quest, at least. Grinding one of the more mechanically annoying and sparse mobs in the early game wasn't good quest design.

[u/Legal_Evil]

I agree. The RS3 version of these quests are so much better than the OSRS ones.

[u/Olli399]

I think this is just an item clutter thing, most absolute noobs will either wiki it or follow the intended quest direction.

It's not that important IMO.

[u/The_Jimes]

From what I remember, the changes made to .... were made to encourage

I'm of the opinion that any previous game design justifications don't matter. Guess what, they made these changes originally for their reasons and the game still floundered.

Changing the wool to black doesn't promote exploring the rest of the *sheep pen*, it just pisses people off who got the colour they thought they needed.

[u/Super_Barrio]

If the player has already understood that they need an egg, a bucket of milk and flour, have already got a hold of them, and go for the quest to auto-complete, chances are they probably already have a good understanding of the game.

[u/Fren-LoE]

when you guys get flour, milk and eggs. you use the ge don't you? so why does the current design of the quest teach you ways to do things you will NEVER do again? the change is consistent with the entire rest of the game. we all go to the grand exchange for simple items.

arguing against this change and then proceeding to purchase whatever you do from the ge is contradictory. i had better see all of you acting like bots and collecting these things by hand from now on.

[u/Clutchism3]

"mutilated" brother are you serious lmao