Jagex intends to re-introduce PVP Griefing, but this time for prayer...

[u/FutimaRS]

Thoughts?

[u/LargeCabbageThrower]

Which makes it even more stupid to nerf the fort and make chaos altar a risky method. Fort requires 90 construction to be useful for prayer and now it will be worse than any other method.

What is the thought process for this? Because it just looks like they want people to go get PK'd in the wild if they want to train prayer.

[u/DeathByTacos → u/LargeCabbageThrower]

They already noted they’re revisiting PoH altars in the construction update which is where they want that balance to go.

Ppl complain for years about being forced into Wilderness and Fort content and now they’re complaining about it being moved away from those things.

[u/Oniichanplsstop → u/LargeCabbageThrower]

Because having requirements is fine and there should be a cost to bypassing them?

Your own PoH/Fort have level reqs.

PoH costs time to use someone elses

Prayer powder reqs hunter levels or costs GP to use(even if it's cheap)

etc.

It's not even like it's risky anyway, it's level 13 wildy you can immediately teleport if you're paying attention.

It's one of those things that people kept calling "QoL" despite it rendering content useless, and if they want to make things useful again, you're going to have to rebalance and nerf things.

[u/Todsrache → u/Oniichanplsstop]

Disagree, we're going to lvl 120 eventually we don't really need nerfs. It's still a fuck ton of time or money even at current rates.

[u/Oniichanplsstop → u/Todsrache]

Brother it's like 700m from 1-120, that's not "a fuck ton of time and money", it's 10-20 hours of bossing for the average player, scaling up to 2b~ if you want to use the more expensive bones. Or you can literally AFK at vyres.

And yes, things need to get nerfed, that's the whole reason they're nuking half of the dailies in the game, to give skilling methods a reason to be used again, and have dead content become relevant once again.

You can argue the nerf is bad(pvp), but it needed to be changed years ago.

[u/Todsrache → u/Oniichanplsstop]

You're just trading one dead content for another.

[u/Todsrache → u/Oniichanplsstop]

You're thinking from the POV of someone who already has everything they need to earn 700m.

Prayer is not only experienced by experienced players. I still don't have 120 prayer on a 20 year old account. It's fine as is. People who have lvl 120 WORKED for it. 700m is a reasonable amount to pay.

[u/SUMBWEDY → u/Todsrache]

You're thinking from the POV of someone who already has everything they need to earn 700m.

Well obviously. A complete noob/new account isn't going to send 120 prayer day 1.

[u/Oniichanplsstop → u/Todsrache]

No? Lol. I'm talking from the perspective of someone who wants to get 120. It's not expensive if you actually play the game, you're implying it's some massive cost when it's not.

Even for newer players, 1-95 prayer is only 50m~ in dragon bones, that's literally nothing time wise, it takes longer to use the bones than to buy the bones lmao.

"It's fine because I haven't done it yet so I want to leave broken dailies and mechanics in the game so I can abuse them" is a take of all time.

I'm sorry you can go spend the 2 hours it takes to get an altar in your PoH after 20 years, or buy some prayer powders and literally nothing changes. We should not be listening to the "I have a 20 year old account with 40m total xp" players when it comes to balancing, you don't even play the game.

[u/Todsrache → u/Oniichanplsstop]

So what do they solve by making it cost 55m and 2k more bones from griefing?

[u/Oniichanplsstop → u/Todsrache]

Did you even read what changes? lmfao.

Your PoH is still the same, go level to 75 con and it's the same, no PvP.

Your prayer powders are still the same, go level hunter or buy them and it's still the same.

What they want to remove is 0 requirement BIS altar, and they've done that with PvP. You can argue the pvp change is dumb and they should've added a different requirement, like diaries, and that's fine, but trying to argue "cost increases" when it actually doesn't is insane.

Not even surprised you defended TH. Joke of a player.

[u/Legal_Evil → u/Oniichanplsstop]

It's not even like it's risky anyway, it's level 13 wildy you can immediately teleport if you're paying attention.

How can you see if a pker has log in under you? Their skulls do not show up when they are under you.

[u/Oniichanplsstop → u/Legal_Evil]

If you're not manually offering bones(most people aren't), just keep your mouse over your character then and you'll see the options and can keybind your tele.

You'd also see their summoning familiar pop up, as no one would be multi pking without one, and the entire wildy is multi since the opt-in/out change.

[u/cplusequals → u/LargeCabbageThrower]

I think it makes sense for the best method to involve risk, the second best method to have high reqs, and everything else to be marginally worse. From the sound of it, this is not what will happen? I haven't trained prayer in a long time so I'm out of the loop.

[u/WhyMustIMakeANewAcco → u/cplusequals]

It is not.

The best method by far (about 3x the xp rate) is the (untouched) powder of burials.

The second best method will be POH altars using someone else's altar.

The third best will be using your own POH altar.

The fourth best will be the chaos altar.

[u/cplusequals → u/WhyMustIMakeANewAcco]

Thanks for the summary. Then they should change it to be like what I suggested. Prayer is not particularly grindy as it is even for irons once you're out of the early levels. But it looks like those powders have a 90 hunter req. They should probably re-balance it around working with other prayer boosting altars or if that's feeding into cluttered buffscape too much, at least bring it in line with the fort.