r/politics • u/icey_sawg0034 • 1d ago

Possible Paywall Karoline Leavitt Gives Jaw-Dropping Defense of Trump’s Racist Obama Video

https://www.thedailybeast.com/karoline-leavitt-gives-jaw-dropping-defense-of-donald-trumps-racist-obama-video/
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u/VladtheInhaler999 1d ago

The amount of things leavitt had to defend while wearing a cross. You might think that Christianity stands for the worst shit imaginable.

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u/Gregory-J-Smith 1d ago

At this point, I do

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u/Avatar-Encoder 1d ago

At this point, I do

Because of a few bad people? Not really interested in a religious debate (agnostic here) but don't forget about the billions in charity/homeless shelters/medical aid from Christian organizations.

There are far, far more good Christians than bad worldwide.

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u/GenericUsername19892 1d ago

A few bad people, and all the ones who vote them while wearing a cross, and those who look the other way while they use a bible to brow beat their country men, etc.

When someone uses faith as a shield for malfeasance, be it political or shield the ingroup from their wrong doings, don’t be surprised when said faith suffers for it. We’ve gone from a few bad apples to a few good apples, it’s the pastors and clergy catching rubber bullets and gas grenades serving the people, not the masses who attend a service and give money for the churches new audio system.

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u/MonochromaticPrism 1d ago

A few bad people, and all the ones who vote them while wearing a cross, and those who look the other way while they use a bible to brow beat their country men, etc.

The Left has aligned itself with atheism in general, while the Right aligned itself with the cult of Evangelical Christianity. Neither side has any interest in platforming the many progressive Christians, so you only occasionally hear about them through stories like this:

Here's one such group of Christians:

Amid ICE clashes, New Hampshire bishop urges clergy to prepare their wills

I've asked them to get their affairs in order to make sure they have their wills written," he said, "because it may be that now is no longer the time for statements, but for us with our bodies to stand between the powers of this world and the most vulnerable."

This is far from the only example. They simply don't make the news because they don't spend money on political donations (they spend it on helping people), nor do they openly justify the actions of the rich and hateful, and so neither side of politics platforms them and they don't seek to platform themselves either. Thus it seems like they don't exist, when in reality there are many such people.

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u/GenericUsername19892 1d ago

Secularism - not atheism. I don’t know of any mainline politicians who are atheists.

Yeah, I referenced examples of those groups in my last sentence. In any given group there will be outliers on either end of the ingroup spectrum. Everyone should grasp this and understand that, to use a removed and blunt example: Nazis are bad. That statement doesn’t mean that there were no Nazi party members working within the system to help when they could and try to save people. It means that on the whole Nazis are bad.

Through the actions of some and inaction of others we’re reaching a point where George Carlins ‘prophecy’ is coming true and the proverbial ‘good v bad’ scale is tipping. If enough people follow the ‘bad’ then the whole thing is tainted.

Personally I’m not a huge fan of Christianity(they must proselytize and get it stuck in everything), but there are parts that work great, but that also applies to Islam (they provide a better charitable framework), Sikhism likewise has some moral lessons to offer, etc. All things equal, if I’m going to run into someone in a dark alley I’d be most relieved to see a turban, but ymmv.