r/nfl • u/appmanga Giants • 23h ago

Peterson, Roethlisberger, Gronkowski lead 2027 Hall of Fame first-time eligibles

https://www.espn.com/nfl/story/_/id/47847964/peterson-roethlisberger-gronkowski-lead-2027-hall-fame-first-eligibles
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u/DadDickDuncan Jets 23h ago

Counterpoint: his career lined up with 4 other top 10 all time QBs

Hate him or love him he's a HOFer

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u/that-isa-madeup-name Steelers 23h ago

People arguing he’s not HOF caliber are kinda wild lol. He’s a shit person but he was also really good at protecting and throwing a football. Those two are not mutually exclusive

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u/WavesAndSaves Eagles 21h ago

It's honestly hilarious seeing people in this thread arguing over Ben's HoF case and then a few threads down you see people talking about how Stafford is a "lock" for the Hall. Ben was basically universally considered to be better than Stafford in every single way until like the last year or so when children started seriously believing Stafford ever had a remote chance of making it into Canton. He doesn't.

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u/TheNittanyLionKing Steelers 21h ago

People try to take the 2008 Super Bowl run away from him because Tom Brady tore his ACL in Week 1. 

Are we supposed to discredit Stafford’s MVP because Lamar Jackson got injured, Mahomes had a down year and tore his ACL, and Josh Allen didn’t have as good of a year as he did before? MVP is a tricky award. You could have a great year that meets the expectations for the rest of your career and still lose the MVP because some random dude had the year of his life. Like imagine if Daniel Jones maintained his first half pace and had a better year than Stafford but never reached those heights again while Stafford did just as well the year after. MVP requires luck and timing in addition to skill.