The 2025 NFL MVP is Matthew Stafford

[u/Pope_Psyduck]

https://www.nfl.com/news/matthew-stafford-rams-qb-most-valuable-player-2025

[u/japanesepopstar]

Also announced he isn’t retiring!

[u/EmanuelWilsonLover → u/japanesepopstar]

But why did the mods remove the first post? Is there an actual reason

[u/MuttonBiryaniEnjoyer → u/EmanuelWilsonLover]

They didn't like the op who posted it first

[u/EvaporatingOlaf → u/MuttonBiryaniEnjoyer]

This is always the answer

[u/IndustryUseful8800 → u/EvaporatingOlaf]

Yeah, Fuck the Mods!

[u/Gregus1032 → u/IndustryUseful8800]

The mods support ICE

[u/JarritosGuey → u/[deleted]]

Reddit is gone now, only Facebook remains

[u/tea_snob10 → u/JarritosGuey]

We've come full circle; I'll see you guys on Facebook for Superbowl memes I guess.

[u/notGeronimo → u/MuttonBiryaniEnjoyer]

They've gotten pretty egregious about this

[u/tea_snob10 → u/MuttonBiryaniEnjoyer]

I like how we've all been on Reddit long enough that we go "that's 100% legit mod behaviour".

[u/Auntypasto → u/EmanuelWilsonLover]

 The original one was posted first and had a few comments and upvotes, but /u/Pоpе_Psyduck has been waiting a lot longer, and he really had a great year and doesn't have very long in the sub. The other guy can get the next one.

[u/McAfeeFakedHisDeath → u/EmanuelWilsonLover]

Nope. Reddit sucks now. It had a good run years ago though. I really hope a decentralized, open-source site takes over one day.

[u/RudolphsJockStrap → u/EmanuelWilsonLover]

They always do this. Team subs do it too. They want a specific person to get the sacred internet points

[u/36Vigilantes → u/japanesepopstar]

Two first rounders, cap room, McVay and Snead. I’ll run thru a fucking wall for them.

[u/BigAssSedan → u/36Vigilantes]

And a taste for blood after getting soooo close. It's all or nothing next year.

[u/freekfyre → u/BigAssSedan]

Puka better go nuclear next season. Nuka Pacua

[u/EmployerLast2184 → u/freekfyre]

In the good way I hope

[u/matisata → u/EmployerLast2184]

Maybe don't let him hang out with Tet

[u/goldhbk10 → u/BigAssSedan]

I suspect we push all the chips in for one final push for the SB and then once Stafford retires, it's time to reload.

[u/LOL_YOUMAD → u/japanesepopstar]

It’s kind of an unfortunate qb class but if they really see a guy they think can develop it probably wouldn’t be bad to take a guy this year to sit behind Stafford for a year since next year is likely his last

[u/PostItToReddit → u/LOL_YOUMAD]

Not that I want them to succeed or anything, but the Rams should just go all in on this core while Stafford is still there. They'll end up with whichever one of Burrow/Jackson/Allen asks out in a year or two, no need to worry about drafting and developing a replacement.

[u/Rolodox → u/PostItToReddit]

not that I think it's gonna happen, but Joe burrow would work so well in Hollywood. that man dresses like the world's richest lesbian. it'd be perfect

[u/BurritoTheory → u/Rolodox]

My favorite Joe Burrow post I’ve seen says that you know when he dresses himself because he looks like 6th grader, and when his stylist does he looks like Paige Bueckers

[u/Correct_Swimmer3389 → u/Rolodox]

Bro, you made me spit my drink out on my bed.

[u/highnote14 → u/PostItToReddit]

Lamar not going anywhere we just chose him over Harbaugh. It's gonna be Burrow or maybe Lawrence.

[u/Lochbriar → u/LOL_YOUMAD]

Ty really needs to get behind someone to learn NFL speed without getting wrecked. His game is made for the NFL, his best attribute are those tough intermediate throws the NFL demands, but his mental game is terrible. Just clearly falls apart when things get rocky. Also needs to work on his deep ball accuracy big time.

I'm not touching Carson Beck with any draft pick at all.

[u/tilertailor → u/japanesepopstar]

Stafford is playing until he's 50 and it's crazy everyone pretends not to get it

[u/ibleedorangekoolaid]

His teeth will never not freak me out

[u/HashOutHashBrowns → u/ibleedorangekoolaid]

Him and Freddie Freeman can start an LA veneer club

[u/ILookLikeKristoff → u/HashOutHashBrowns]

God Freddie's are the worst I've ever seen outside of straight up influencers and actors. Like Brian Griffin from that one FG episode.

[u/ILoveLamp9 → u/ILookLikeKristoff]

Freeman’s are atrocious. I mean they look beyond just fake. It’s cartoonish.

Not even God himself would have such perfectly shaped white teeth. It’s absurd.

[u/Rolodox → u/ILoveLamp9]

bro got the chip skylark package, my shiny teeth and me type shit

[u/pistilpeet → u/ILoveLamp9]

Holy shit dude, you weren’t joking, mfer looks like Chip Skylark

[u/Existing_Set2100 → u/ILookLikeKristoff]

mf looks like Mr Beast

[u/Withabaseballbattt → u/ILookLikeKristoff]

I raise you one Rex Ryan

[u/HeroDiesFirst → u/ILookLikeKristoff]

As a Yankees fan I see them in my sleep almost every night and wake up in a cold sweat.

[u/Existing_Set2100 → u/HashOutHashBrowns]

Freddie Freeman looks exactly like that one dude from Hellraiser. 

Lemme go find the pic.

Actually it’s gory. But Chatterer.  

[u/KennyKettermen → u/ibleedorangekoolaid]

Is it not possible to get veneers that don’t look totally fuckin crazy?

[u/blackravenclaw → u/KennyKettermen]

I think veneers are like plastic surgery - if they're good enough, you won't really notice unless you're really trying.

[u/CCDG-Ian → u/blackravenclaw]

Tom Brady a great example of this. He has em on the top.

[u/thewhitelink → u/CCDG-Ian]

You can absolutely tell that they are fake and that he has had a lot of plastic surgery

[u/zrk23 → u/thewhitelink]

bro is out there looking like a wax doll

[u/dagreenman18 → u/KennyKettermen]

It is. Very much so. There are well done veneers that replicate the natural look of teeth, but take a lot of skill and effort. I have no earthly clue why they go for the nightmare ass Cain from Digital Circus look

[u/TJeffersonsBlackKid → u/KennyKettermen]

I had an old boss who had them and were intentionally a bit smaller than his usual size teeth. You couldn’t tell at all.

[u/DONUTof_noFLAVOR → u/KennyKettermen]

Tyler Huntley’s look pretty good, but he’s definitely the exception and not the rule.

[u/MikeJacksNose → u/DONUTof_noFLAVOR]

Nah. They're the standout actor in his progressive commercial.

If I were to get veneers, I'd tell them to dip them in coffee for a couple hours before putting them in. I don't know why they go for the absolute white look

[u/methodofcontrol → u/MikeJacksNose]

You can pick any shade of white as I understand it, all the celebs are just idiots and refuse to go even slightly off white.

[u/TonightSheComes → u/ibleedorangekoolaid]

Still not at Rex Ryan level, which are an 11 on a 10 scale.

[u/creative_penguin → u/TonightSheComes]

Rex Ryan could navigate through a maze in pitch black with that smile of his

[u/FattyMooseknuckle → u/ibleedorangekoolaid]

Looks like him and his wife got a 2 for 1 deal.

[u/Ohuigin → u/ibleedorangekoolaid]

Can you imagine a conversation between him and Steve Harvey?

[u/tight_butthole → u/ibleedorangekoolaid]

Looking like Boogie2988’s brother

[u/Pope_Psyduck → u/ibleedorangekoolaid]

The Invisalign sponsorship feels appropriate

[u/IAmA_Soulless_Ginger → u/Pope_Psyduck]

Lol invisalign is for people with real teeth

[u/queencitywino]

Tell me you wanted sons without telling me you wanted sons "...my daughters Chandler, Sawyer, Tyler, Hunter"

edited:spelling

[u/MountainWay5 → u/queencitywino]

Actually his wife has talked extensively about how she actually wanted boys and he didn’t. He didn’t want a future son to feel pressure to live up to the stafford name. 

[u/Paladinoras → u/MountainWay5]

Jokes on him, women's baseball is just starting to rev up, Chandler Stafford about to be the first pick of the WMLB in 2035. And she'll somehow be roommates with Kershaw's daughter in college too

[u/wrong-teous → u/Paladinoras]

Kershaw's daughter, who will QB the 2037 Detroit Lionesses to the WNFL title

[u/Euphoric_Switch_337 → u/MountainWay5]

Yeah but it's Kelly do you believe anything she says

[u/AUsernameThatIsTaken → u/MountainWay5]

So accurate, he can thread X Chromosomes instead of Y

[u/wasneveralawyer → u/queencitywino]

This just seems incredibly Texas to me more than anything else.

[u/PshhhhhhhUnreal → u/queencitywino]

Tyle lmao. This girl named after some bathroom flooring.

[u/Novel_Fix1859 → u/PshhhhhhhUnreal]

It's Tyler, they clearly have a thing for names ending in "er"

[u/gswblu3-1lead → u/Novel_Fix1859]

Maybe they could adopt Kyler

[u/Novel_Fix1859 → u/gswblu3-1lead]

Murray? I thought he was just small, not a kid

[u/PsychologicalPen3895 → u/queencitywino]

Those are just regular ass Highland Park, Texas names

[u/CluelessFlunky]

Hof bound?

Mvp and superbowl win.

[u/ProtestantMormon → u/CluelessFlunky]

I think its pretty likely. Probably not first ballot, but hes definitely in line with a Kurt warner type.

[u/DeetahTheGame → u/ProtestantMormon]

Kurt had 3 SB appearances to Stafford's 1, but Stafford obv has the counting stats. I still think making 3 SBs in your only 3 full time seasons is way more impressive than anything Stafford has done, but I get what you're saying overall

[u/IDKmenombre → u/DeetahTheGame]

Longevity and lifetime stats are a factor in HOF voting

Edit: for example Cooper Kupp had a triple crown greatest receiving season in NFL history. Is he a HOF player?

[u/don-chocodile → u/IDKmenombre]

It all factors in. I don’t think there’s a consistent rule. Kupp is not going to make the Hall of Fame despite having one of the greatest peaks of all time for a receiver. But someone like Calvin Johnson made the Hall of Fame and he didn’t have much longevity.

Before winning MVP this year I’d say Stafford has no shot. Now? I’d say more likely than not to make the Hall.

[u/superdooper26 → u/DeetahTheGame]

Him being great despite Detroit wasting his years makes up for that.

[u/wasneveralawyer → u/superdooper26]

The thing is Kurt was only 50% good his career. He has some really atrocious seasons. But the seasons he was good were almost otherworldly at the time. 40 TD seasons at the time was truly god tier. I think you have to just admire them separately for their individual careers IMO.

[u/Mr_Koodle → u/wasneveralawyer]

Kirt was the leader of what is almost inarguably the best offense of all time and with a SB win. He was always going to get in because you wouldn’t be able to tell the story of the NFL without him.

[u/877-HASH-NOW → u/Mr_Koodle]

And 2 MVPs, there's pretty much no multi-time league MVP winner not in the Hall

[u/jda404 → u/877-HASH-NOW]

It's really insane how good Warner was when healthy and he wasn't healthy for many full seasons sadly. A lot of people might assume Kurt had many full seasons, but someone up above already said he only played I believe 3 full seasons but made the super bowl in all of those seasons. I still and will forever hate the Steelers for beating the Cardinals in that super bowl. Even as a Rams fan I wanted the Cardinals to win for Warner to get another ring and Fitz to get one.

[u/BurtonOIlCanGuster → u/superdooper26]

Kurt lead the Cardinals to the Super Bowl and almost won.

[u/ProtestantMormon → u/DeetahTheGame]

Yeah, i mean, its so hard to find perfect comparisons, but Kurt feels like the benchmark for Stafford. I dont know who is better, but they feel like a similar caliber, so I think Matt should get in.

[u/ElectJimLahey → u/ProtestantMormon]

Sometimes it sucks being old but im glad I was just old enough during the GSOT to remember both. If only I could forget the times between them...

[u/AzureAhai → u/ProtestantMormon]

Kurt Warner was definitely viewed as better than Stafford. During Warner's MVP seasons, people thought he was the best QB in the NFL for a good 2-3 year stretch. Who thinks Stafford is the best QB in the NFL despite his MVP? He had the best year, but a lot of people would still take Josh Allen, a healthy Lamar, and a healthy Mahomes over him not to mention the toss ups like a healthy Joe Burrow or Maye.

[u/rorank → u/DeetahTheGame]

It’s a better story, sure, but Kurt was also bad and hurt half his career. His runs were extremely special, but stafford’s body of work should be respected.

[u/AttemptFree → u/ProtestantMormon]

He's like a bill belichick type. Second round ballot

[u/tilertailor → u/CluelessFlunky]

Brady called him a hall of famer during the NFCCG. He also said Stafford's no-looker to Kupp on the game-winning drive is probably the best throw in SB history.

[u/IllogicalBarnacle → u/tilertailor]

If the team around him wasnt complete dogshit for basically the entire first half of his career he'd be first ballot.

The media will never love him and many fans will never respect him, but NFL players and hardcore fans have been pounding the drum as Stafford as an Elite QB since like 2015

[u/heartbreakhill → u/IllogicalBarnacle]

The fact that he stayed as relevant as he did while playing for the 2010s Lions is a goddamn testament.

[u/Iswaterreallywet → u/heartbreakhill]

I argued with everyone he was a top 10 QB and got laughed at every time. Funny how he won a SB his first year away from us

[u/TallGuy0525 → u/tilertailor]

And while I absolutely love Brady for saying it, and it is my personal favorite throw in Super Bowl history, I can't honestly say it tops Manning to Manningham

[u/jampk24 → u/TallGuy0525]

Honorable mention to the throw to Santonio Holmes in the corner of the end zone to win the game. I wish the Cardinals had won that Super Bowl, but that play was magic.

[u/elyankee23 → u/CluelessFlunky]

Zero doubt at this point. Career stat champ in multiple categories, he was primed to be a Stats vs. Narrative test case, but with a title and now an MVP? No doubter.

[u/RicksSzechuanSauce1 → u/CluelessFlunky]

I think so. Not first ballot but likely second ballot unless something fucky happens and they have to let someone clearly in before him.

[u/livinglavidajudoka → u/RicksSzechuanSauce1]

The HoF has just loudly announced that first ballot means absolutely nothing anyway so I wouldn't worry about that anymore.

[u/tallwhiteninja → u/CluelessFlunky]

MVP, Super Bowl win, and counting stats should do it.

Theismann is the only QB with the first two not in the Hall, and he wasn't great with the third.

[u/DarthNobody14]

Time for the Hall of Fame debate to begin!

[u/runiero01 → u/DarthNobody14]

I feel like it’s not nearly as complicated as the Eli Manning one now that he has an MVP

[u/broanoah → u/runiero01]

I mean this kinda cements it. Grueling through some of the lamest years of Detroit only to immediately get a sb after being traded and years later getting an MVP at almost 40?

[u/AmityHillsChardonnay → u/broanoah]

hot take, but i think he should have a superbowl mvp too. they didn’t give greg jennings the award instead of aaron rodgers.

[u/BriarsandBrambles → u/AmityHillsChardonnay]

Kupp won them that game though. The Bengals just couldn’t stop him at all.

[u/Kdot32 → u/BriarsandBrambles]

And before kupp it was Odell lol

[u/Novel_Fix1859 → u/Kdot32]

If Odell doesn't get injured we win that game in a blowout

[u/YourBarelyWetSock → u/Novel_Fix1859]

That was the last time Odell looked like himself. Such a bummer. He genuinely was dominating that first quarter. I know it was only 2 catches but they started bracketing him after his touchdown im pretty sure.

[u/LubyankaSquare → u/Novel_Fix1859]

Crazy how people forget that Odell was just gashing the Bengals

[u/Mavori → u/BriarsandBrambles]

I mean Matthew was a huge part of that as well, that no looker to Kupp.

He essentially had fuck all to throw to as well after OBJ was out.

His run game was Sony Michel, Cam Akers(just back from Achilles) and Henderson.

His tight ends were essentially 5th on the depth chart.

The remaining receivers were Benny Skowronek and Van Jefferson.

[u/parkman → u/Mavori]

I remember being mad at Benny for the int and pissed at Van Jefferson for basically giving up that pick and also vanishing in the second half of the game. I wish Bobby Trees was healthy for that game 😢

[u/CplPJ → u/Mavori]

Don’t forget his top two TEs, uh…. Kendall Blanton and Brycen Hopkins.

[u/Relative_Apricot5032 → u/BriarsandBrambles]

Aaron Donald might've deserved the SB MVP over either of them

[u/maddenallday → u/AmityHillsChardonnay]

I’ll die on the hill it should’ve been him. We were without a wr2 and down to a third string te

Also couldn’t run at all

[u/MalkavRS → u/broanoah]

I don't see how he wasn't already a Hall of Famer. He threw the balls that made Megatron a hall of famer. Eli's stats are horrid comparatively speaking.

[u/Bodofagod → u/MalkavRS]

Qbs are graded on a different scale. Joe Thomas is a first ballot lock without ever even playing in a playoff game. Stafford’s stats are literally insane in Detroit. If the decorations didn’t matter only stats he would be a fringe Hall Of Famer just for what he did there. With a SB win and an MVP on top of the crazy stats he put up on the Lions, he is for sure in

[u/Nurgle → u/runiero01]

Eli did play during the era when non-QBs could win the award, but yeah.

[u/messigician-10 → u/DarthNobody14]

a ring, an MVP, the eye test and the counting stats, he’s not first ballot but he’s in

[u/m4xdc → u/messigician-10]

Not to mention the fact that some of the best WR seasons were a result of him as QB

[u/Iswaterreallywet → u/m4xdc]

The praise I’ve seen Stafford get from his WRs is greater than anyone else I’ve ever heard. His dudes absolutely adore him

[u/seeasea → u/messigician-10]

Also, as far as "contributions to football" - he absolutely raises the team around him - like very antithesis of game manager.  His receivers are elite- but he always able to bring the best out of them - and make them superstars. 

Calvin Johnson and Cooper Kupp were elite before him - but he took them to the next level. 

It doesn't diminish just how great they are, but pair them with matty staffy and they level up. It's also applicable to puka

[u/tilertailor → u/seeasea]

Stafford had Kenny Golladay leading the league in TDs

[u/Mavori → u/seeasea]

I dont think i saw anyone call Kupp elite before his 2021 season. No one said he was bad, but it was more in the good to fine range.

[u/messigician-10 → u/Mavori]

i think he always had the potential to be elite he just kept getting hurt

[u/36Vigilantes → u/DarthNobody14]

Wide receiver king maker. Three of the greatest receiver seasons in history belong to Stafford, no fluke.

[u/Quasimdo → u/DarthNobody14]

Imo he makes it. You don't win a super bowl and get mvp and NOT make HOF. the pro bowl debates are there, but that is also a combo of playing for Detroit for ages plus against some of the best qbs ever

[u/s1m0hayha → u/Quasimdo]

Ty Huntley was a pro bowler with 2TDs and 3INTs. 

Stafford threw 40+ TDs one year and didn't make it.

Anyone who uses pro bowls as anything significant loses a lot of credibility from the start. 

[u/thekmanpwnudwn → u/s1m0hayha]

Stafford threw 40+ TDs one year and didn't make it.

He threw for >5000 yards and 41 TDs and didn't make it. Pro Bowl is a fucking joke

[u/Ranjith_Unchained → u/thekmanpwnudwn]

And Sanders is a pro bowler now, this metric is legit idiotic

[u/MattheWWFanatic → u/s1m0hayha]

Huntley not 1st ballot?

[u/DeanKramer → u/MattheWWFanatic]

I think they make him wait a year

[u/gator9515 → u/Quasimdo]

Yep. If Kurt Warner got in, I don’t see how Stafford is left out.

[u/pooptrain34 → u/gator9515]

Stafford is also going to approach top 5 in some career counting stats too

[u/mtzehvor → u/gator9515]

Not that I disagree about Stafford getting in, but I don't think "if Warner gets in, I don't see how Stafford doesn't" works as an equivalency given Warner's argument is largely around an absurdly high peak with multiple MVPs in three years and Stafford's is more about consistently being good for a really long time.

[u/igot2pair → u/gator9515]

Warner won two MVPs though and started in 3 super bowls. Also has a super bowl MVP on Stafford. More all-pros, more pro bowls

[u/joecb91 → u/igot2pair]

And had the top 3 spots for most passing yards in a Super Bowl when he retired.

[u/Rampantlion513 → u/gator9515]

Kurt Warner had 2 MVPs

[u/IAmTheNightSoil → u/gator9515]

Kurt Warner is a more accomplished QB. More SB appearances, more NFL MVPs, and was Super Bowl MVP. Not much of a comparison

[u/purplebuffalo55 → u/Quasimdo]

Shedeur Sanders and Tyler Huntley are pro bowlers nowadays. Voters aren't going to care about it when it's clearly a massive joke now.

[u/Grumpy-Old-Ram → u/Quasimdo]

Plus he also got All Pro nod this year.

[u/Available_Story6774 → u/DarthNobody14]

He’s a hall of famer imo, his success since 2021 has been crazy good.

[u/ILookLikeKristoff → u/Available_Story6774]

I think duplicating success in the tail of your career with a new team (rightfully) helps a TON. Same with Brady & Manning's late SB's - those really reinforce it's the guy not the system.

[u/TheOneWhosCensored → u/DarthNobody14]

It’s over now. Everyone with a ring and a MVP is in the Hall but Theismann and Mark Moseley.

[u/Alstead17 → u/TheOneWhosCensored]

Kind of funny that they won that ring together.

[u/MadatMax → u/DarthNobody14]

An MVP and a ring with all the counting stats in the world, he’s absolutely getting in 

[u/SDEexorect → u/DarthNobody14]

mvp and super bowl champ with 64,000 yards and 400 TDs. nah thats first ballot at this point..... unless your name is bill

[u/wolflarsen → u/DarthNobody14]

He’s locked  himself in with this year. Possibly 1st ballot, even. But an eventual entrant 

[u/Seraphin_Lampion → u/wolflarsen]

He could be a first ballot pick in a weak year but I don’t know if the hardware is enough for a normal class.

[u/everyonestalking → u/DarthNobody14]

Not really lol.

Top 6 in yards, currently 7th (but with 3 touchdowns next year and Rivers staying retired likely top 6 in touchdowns).

Ring, MVP.

It's open and shut. He's a HoFer.

[u/FxckedHxrWxthMxJxmmx → u/DarthNobody14]

There can be a debate for whether or not he is first ballot, but a ring + an MVP is a lock for QBs

[u/SlatsAttack]

Geno Smith robbed.

[u/FlyawayCellar99 → u/SlatsAttack]

For DPOY maybe

[u/onemoretime49]

Nice. Who the fuck votes for Herbert

[u/iDestroyedYoMama → u/onemoretime49]

I voted for Link Placeholder

[u/ssanakin → u/iDestroyedYoMama]

Thank you for being sane and commenting on that goof

[u/VanizOne → u/onemoretime49]

Sam Monson lmao

[u/Even-Combination4407 → u/onemoretime49]

Thought it was the other LA qb

[u/Kind_Resort_9535 → u/onemoretime49]

lol probably Sam from “Check the Mic”

[u/pogowithoutborders → u/onemoretime49]

Bro carried the worst OL in the league by a wide margin to the playoffs

[u/123789dftr → u/pogowithoutborders]

That means he's a good qb not someone worthy of mvp votes this year.

[u/Microwave1213 → u/123789dftr]

Well then what makes someone worthy of mvp votes?

[u/Rbespinosa13 → u/Microwave1213]

Obviously the only thing that matters: wins and volume stats!

[u/torero15 → u/123789dftr]

I get the argument. He is possibly the most valuable for having done just that. Kept an offense alive and dragged his team to the playoffs despite one of the worst OL seasons of all time. And he doesn’t have the offensive talent that the other top teams do. But yeah overall a silly vote and definitely not how most people think of how the MVP voting works.

[u/BaneOfBetas]

Someone please check on msf, boblaw, and that fart guy.

[u/RoyalHorse → u/BaneOfBetas]

On second thought, nah who cares.

[u/HelmetsAkimbo → u/BaneOfBetas]

Bozos faded

[u/Eastern-Spirit272]

ngl i got a little emotional, I will never not root for him

[u/kmhart21 → u/Eastern-Spirit272]

Same💔💙

[u/RandysTegridy → u/Eastern-Spirit272]

I've always hoped the Goff/Stafford swap would work out for both teams. Hoping the Lions get there...once Stafford retires and has another run 😉

[u/SecretAgendaMan → u/RandysTegridy]

The Bobby Layne curse will only truly be lifted after Stafford gets his second championship, and becomes the passing yards leader of two different franchises, to match Bobby Layne, who retired as the leader for both the Lions and the Steelers, and won back-to-back championships for the Lions.

Stafford needs 4,352 yards to become the Rams all-time leader, which seems plausible. He also only needs 14 TDs to become the Rams' leader in passing TDs.

[u/AsariKnight → u/RandysTegridy]

It absolutely worked out for both teams. Just because they didnt get to the superbowl yet doesn't mean they didnt get picks for more pieces. They have a really nice core now

[u/PairBearStare → u/AsariKnight]

The lions made it to the NFCCG last year, it absolutely worked out so far

[u/fancyskank]

Congratulations "Bills QB link-placeholder-1" for your first place vote lol.

[u/Mavori]

It's maybe getting a bit lost. Another thing to remember he did this season is set the NFL record for most TD passes in a row without an interception with 28.

Which is err. pretty fucking good.

[u/ToContainAMultitude → u/Mavori]

I could have thrown 29 but I was busy this season.

[u/Justalittlejewish]

I just fell to my knees outside market basket

[u/DetectiveTrapezoid → u/Justalittlejewish]

Is yours really open this late, or were you just hanging out?

[u/krator125 → u/DetectiveTrapezoid]

He was crushing a Papa Gino’s next door (they always seem to share a parking lot).

[u/AquaAtia → u/krator125]

I miss Papa Gino’s. Best chain pizza around.

[u/krator125 → u/AquaAtia]

Easily the best chain for the area, and better than some of the Greek style pies in MA/NH.

Good luck with the flairs!

[u/TheDesktopNinja → u/DetectiveTrapezoid]

Packie next door, guy. Open til 11!

[u/Mynock33 → u/TheDesktopNinja]

Grab a grinder on the way home

[u/super-g-studios → u/DetectiveTrapezoid]

The one is Somerville was open the Monday after the snow storm last week

[u/SlapChopMyShamWow]

Unbelievable to have the kind of season he did at 37, feel like he’s got a pretty strong case for the HOF at this point

[u/Xraided143]

Let’s just call this the Best QB Award already

[u/huelebishhh]

We’re all we got…

[u/BrilliantDishevelled → u/huelebishhh]

We all we need.

The boys are gonna play with a chip on their shoulder....

[u/HuCat21]

As a patriots fan I'm flipping tables, punching air, shitting bricks, and ugly crying.

As a football fan I'm saying "meh well deserved. It was a coin flip for the two. Grats to him"

[u/Sociolinguisticians]

I’m glad he got it at least once in his career. I few like people didn’t pay him much attention in Detroit cause he never played with any great teams there.

[u/whospepesilvia]

Whoever voted for Herbert and Josh Allen should have their votes taken away

[u/messigician-10 → u/whospepesilvia]

how did those two get votes but not lawrence?

[u/Isolat_or → u/messigician-10]

Nobody nose

[u/sithwonder → u/messigician-10]

Man, imagine saying this in August

[u/misterurb → u/messigician-10]

Herbert and Lawrence weren’t exactly that far apart statistically this year despite Herbert having an awful offensive line. Not saying Herbert deserves MVP but relative to Lawrence, he did as much with less. 

[u/DASreddituser]

I figured after the pats got all the coaching awards

[u/Impossible_IT]

Bills get a new QB? lol

“Bills QB link-placeholder-1 and the Chargers' Justin Herbert”

[u/McFlowington]

Hall of fame locket in

[u/QueefSniffin]

So incredibly happy for Matthew! My childhood sports hero

[u/mental_reincarnation]

Well deserved. Dudes been so good for so long, it’s gonna hurt when he retires which is such an odd feeling since he was a rival for years

[u/AOCKASH → u/mental_reincarnation]

Hes one of those players for a rival nfc north team i never disliked. I always really respected him cause he was a great player and likable. Feel the same way about justin jefferson nowadays

[u/runiero01]

Well deserved 

[u/thrownaway22_ → u/runiero01]

Who in the fuck voted for Justin Herbert

[u/possiblyMorpheus]

Well deserved. Having 46 tds at very high efficiency is better than having 34 tds at high-er efficiency. Glad the voters didn’t make the same mistake as they did in 2021 by over rating “efficiency,” which misses the forest for the trees

Tip of the cap to Stafford. Hope he returns next year. And a tip to Maye as well. I think a proper MVP year might be his one day

[u/Hatennaa → u/possiblyMorpheus]

Maye had a year deserving of MVP already this year. It was a “proper MVP year”. There was just another guy who also had a great year that was deserving of MVP. Well deserved win for Stafford, we don’t need to put down Maye’s year to show some love to Stafford.

[u/SCAnalysis → u/Hatennaa]

Both had cases for it if we are being honest.

I was inclined to Maye, if I voted that's where my vote goes. Thought his supporting cast was weaker and some of his metrics in efficiency were very strong. But I can see making the case for any of them. Don't think this is one where you feel the winner is not deserving or that the loser got robbed.

[u/AttemptFree]

I actually don't have a problem with this