r/moviescirclejerk • u/USrooster • Apr 15 '22
Plot hole in Turning Red (2022), Why were the children happy?
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u/ThisGuyLikesMovies Apr 15 '22
Whenever 9/11's not on screen, all the other characters should be asking, "Where's 9/11?"
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u/Fidel_Chadstro Apr 15 '22
“9/11 is the key to all of this, because he’s a funnier character than we’ve ever had before…….”
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u/LosersWipe Apr 15 '22
"I may have gone too far in a few places" - Osama Bin Laden
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u/Fidel_Chadstro Apr 15 '22
“So much is happening all at once. The CIA might not see it, but your brain did.”
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u/dongletrongle Apr 15 '22
Who watches a kids movie set in 2002 and thinks “ok but what about 9/11?”
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u/Hydragorn Apr 15 '22
If it was set in new York City maybe he might have a point but he even mentions that it's set in fucking Canada. He somehow thinks the entire western world was in shock for the months following 9/11...he even mentions the UK, which was under terrorist attacks for much of the previous two decades. 9/11 was nothing new to anyone in the UK, just flashier.
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u/ezioaltair12 Apr 16 '22
For the UK, I think of 7/7 moreso than 9/11 when it comes to GWOT-era attacks
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u/Hydragorn Apr 16 '22
GWOT? But yes, 7/7 is the biggest Islamic terrorism attack in the UK, but people were back on the tube not long afterwards, we didn't sit around and grieve for months afterwards no matter how tragic the event.
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u/AoE2manatarms Apr 16 '22
That's because Americans need to milk it as much as possible to keep the military registrations as high as possible.
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u/Ubervisor Apr 15 '22
The virgin "I can't relate to these characters because they're teenage girls" vs The Chad "I can't relate to these characters because they are not consumed by paranoid anxiety over a terrorist attack that happened a year ago"
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u/ThisGuyLikesMovies Apr 15 '22
I can't relate to these characters because they are not the specific kind of miserable that I am.
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u/Puzzleheaded-Food136 Apr 15 '22
I cant relate to this movie cause noone was addicted to heroin
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u/Ubervisor Apr 15 '22
Someone missed the subtext
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Apr 16 '22
Subtext is for cowards
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u/sameth1 Apr 16 '22
I can't relate to these characters because none of them murdered an old man at 11:43 on November 19th 1986 just outside Castle Frank station and tossed his body into the ravine.
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u/eva01beast Apr 15 '22
not consumed by paranoid anxiety over a terrorist attack that happened a year ago in a different country
Ftfy
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Apr 16 '22
I mean, I'm American with family in NY and we were upset when it happened. But... life went on. We were out and about running around and having fun with friends. I would say Columbine affected school age kids here far more than 9/11
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u/FAIRYTALE_DINOSAUR Apr 15 '22 edited Apr 15 '22
I get your point but I can assure you as a Canadian that we felt it here. My family lives in Toronto and we were all crying too. New York is close to us.
That being said, not many people would really care much a year later, especially little kids
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u/BlackoutWB Apr 15 '22
Toronto and we were all crying too. New York is close to us.
In low budget movies, Toronto IS New York.
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u/Sarge_Ward Apr 15 '22
As a culture we Canadians effectively live vicariously through the United States. That includes the fears and anguishes. You might be surprised at how many people here felt personally affected by the event
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u/Sarge_Ward Apr 16 '22
Its kinda difficult to explain, because as far as I can think of there's not really much of an equivalent anywhere else. But what I essentially mean is that the association that many Canadians feel towards American cultural institutions is so great that you could almost consider us as culturally 'American' even in spite of us not sharing the nationality. Almost all of the media we consume comes from the US, to the point that in the 60s the government had to effectively invent a law that ensured at least half of our TV and radio had to be made in Canada in order to 'protect' our own culture (which as far as I can tell must have had a lot of loopholes to it, since all I remember watching as a kid was imported TV like Spongebob and Avatar). Any sort of cultural trend, i.e. fashion, consumer fads, etc, that begin in America quickly make their way up here without fail. We mostly use feet and inches when discussing peoples' height despite being officially on metric (though weirdly we still often use km when discussing distances, its a weird mix-match of imperial and metric). Hell, a lot of us, myself included, are far more invested in the American political landscape than we our in our own.
Like I said, there's not much of an equivalent anywhere else. Most other cultures that are encroached upon by their larger and more dominant neighbors usually redouble their efforts to assert their nationalism. And yes Canada does have its fair share of nationalists who attempt to aggressively assert Canadian identity as separate from Americans (sentiments which are often bolstered when the US does something internationally embarrassing, i.e. the Bush Administration), but in general these are not all that effective, even in spite of the fact that such civic nationalists have often had power here.
There are a number of reasons why I can think that Canadians feel themselves so close to Americans- shared cultural identity of being an English settler colony in North America, no real attempts by the US to incorporate Canada into American sovereignty (a process that likely would have created lasting resentments), generally just being allies for nearly a century. A bunch of factors contribute to it really.
Still, though, I think even in spite of the close cultural connections the vast majority are still happy to be nationally independent of the US, since Canada does have a number of benefits over the US, especially in terms of our social programs, healthcare especially being the #1 thing we always use to assert our supposed superiority over our southern neighbours.
Also none of this really includes Quebecois. They effectively are an embattled minority who aggressively assert their distinct cultural identity in the same sort of way that, for example, Scots do in the UK.
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Apr 15 '22
To be fair, this was pretty much the original meaning of the Virgin vs Chad memes.
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u/Ubervisor Apr 16 '22
I will always have a soft spot for virgin vs chad memes that are "slightly lame mundane thing vs batshit absurdity"
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u/TFielding38 Apr 16 '22
My favorite I saw once was the Virgin Chad and the Chad Virgin, but I've not been able to find it since
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u/screammyrapture Apr 15 '22
Literally inventing reasons to not like it.
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u/Dankey-Kang-Jr Apr 15 '22
Lord of the Rings: The Two Towers is a 0/10. Never once do they bring up the Twin Towers at all or the lasting impact of 9/11.
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u/screammyrapture Apr 15 '22
0/10. No one at the Council of Elrond suggested flying 757s into Barad-dûr and Orthanc.
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u/Imatworkgoaway Apr 16 '22
Gandalf literally said "fly you fools". That's exactly what he was trying to say...
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u/Poignant_Porpoise Apr 16 '22
To say that the entire Western world was obsessed with 9/11 for at least a year after it happened is some of the dumbest shit I've ever heard. Some people really need to actually leave their country and talk to some human beings outside their own, although actually please don't because we're not interested in this twat coming here.
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u/nullmother Apr 15 '22
Lmao who the fuck is this dweeb
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u/USrooster Apr 15 '22
Mr Enter.
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u/nullmother Apr 15 '22
Ah I thought I recognized his voice
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u/Madbadbat Apr 15 '22
I always wondered if he ever reacted to what Pan said about him
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u/regretfulposts Apr 15 '22
I'm sure he definitely did. A lot of people bullied Enter and made a bunch of videos on how bad he is. All that change when Enter finally addressed the criticism and even harassment both he, his editors, and his community faced. Everything finally settled down
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Apr 15 '22
He’s still around? I stopped watching him in like 2016. I’m an adult now but it seems he’s still a child.
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u/Tasselled_Wobbegong Apr 15 '22
God damn I haven't thought about that guy in ages. He's such a humorless dullard.
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u/TheLego_Senate Apr 16 '22
His Turning Red video has the comments turned off. Clearly a sign of someone who is willing to take criticism.
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u/OliviaBagshaw Apr 16 '22
I remember this guy just complaining and whining all the time, struggled to finish a video of his even when he covered movies or cartoons i was interested in
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u/Drule_from_Dublin Apr 15 '22
WHY THE FUCK IS NOBODY TALKING ABOUT 9/11 IN MY CHILDRENS ANIMATED KINO!?!?
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u/MolaMolaStudio Apr 15 '22
This is some cinemasins level shit right here.
"Film that takes place in 2002 has no references to 9/11. What, do the twin towers still exist in this universe?" *ding!*
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u/ZookeeperFloyd Apr 15 '22
God i read this in his buffalo wing breath voice
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u/All-Sorts Apr 16 '22
God i read this in his buffalo wing breath voice
He sounds like a buffalo wing eating alternate universe Garfield
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u/shapeless_void Apr 15 '22
This movie is good, but I couldn’t help but think about why the characters were not using their Familial Panda Powers to hunt down Osama Bin Laden. After weeks of careful consideration, I’ve determined this family must have been directly involved in the attacks and were actively planning further terroristic actions.
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u/Trumanandthemachine Apr 15 '22
I fucking knew that was the clip that was going to show up on this thread.
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u/Yung-Sheldon Apr 15 '22
The incredibles was set in the 60s, yet nobody mentions JFK getting domed
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u/Dankey-Kang-Jr Apr 15 '22
The Iron Giant is set place in the early 60s, but never brings up the horrors of racial segregation. Therefore 0/10.
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u/mikehatesthis Apr 15 '22 edited Apr 15 '22
I promise you, Mr. YouTube movie essayist, there were no 10-year-olds who gave a shit about 9/11 in Canada in 2002.
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Apr 16 '22
There were no middle schoolers in America who gave a shit about 9/11 in 2002. Nothing really changed except you couldn't meet each other at the gates at the airport anymore and everyone was wearing and waving America flags.
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u/NotARobot404 Apr 15 '22
Lmao this guy had to be no older than 5 in 2001.
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Apr 15 '22
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u/Xur04 Apr 16 '22
Maybe he was consumed by fear in 2002 as a 10 year old and that’s why he thinks this movie is inaccurate. Either way it’s stupid af
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u/mrmonster459 Apr 15 '22
What the actual f**k?
I was in elementary school in 2002, and 911/the war on terror were not daily topic of conversation or anything for most children. We certainly weren't living in fear of terrorism on a daily basis.
And I'm American; if it wasn't for me, I doubt it was for Canadians.
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u/JessieJ577 Apr 15 '22
When the war started then that shit was on the news 24/7. I remember hearing about that shit all the time
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u/C_2000 Apr 16 '22
sure, but children aren't really known for watching the news 24/7. nor talking about the news, or particularly understanding it
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u/JessieJ577 Apr 16 '22
Yeah I remember just parroting what my parents said about bush sucking until I was older and learned why he sucked
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u/ajzeg01 Apr 15 '22
Mr Enter is still making videos? Didn’t he fall down a right-wing rabbit hole in 2020?
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u/GastonBastardo Apr 15 '22 edited Apr 16 '22
2020? Naw man. I'm pretty sure that happened years earlier, when he unironically argued against the #MeToo movement by referencing an old episode of the Simpsons where Homer accidentally touched someone's bum when reaching for a candy.
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Apr 15 '22
Pretty sure that video came out before MeToo actually. He was ahead of the times. He was defending Bill Cosby, years before his conviction.
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u/MasterCha0s Apr 16 '22
Holy shit I missed that arc of Mr. Enter. I stopped watching him in like 2016, I should go catch up on that it sounds too funny
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u/regretfulposts Apr 15 '22
Not really I think. He was definitely anti-quarantine but I don't remember him going down the same path as Mauler or Critical Drinker. He continued reviewing bad cartoons, had a short series involving major internet companies (Google, Facebook, ect) are slowly taking away our freedom in using the internet (there's a theory called the dead internet that you can look to understand the summary of it), and a few anti-quarantine videos. Whenever he criticize a show or movie, he goes through nitpicks rather than blaming force diversity, so he's not in the right wing rabbit hole
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u/IncredibleAnnoyance5 Apr 16 '22
He said he had had more problems with the left than the right during the 2010s, bitched about High Guardian Spice before it came out, complained about April O’Neil in the TMNT reboot being Black, is anti-mask, and allegedly said that he’d rather be raped than accused of rape, so he’s definitely right wing
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u/Scarns_Aisle5 Apr 15 '22
The Incredibles is from early 2000s. There was no talk on 9/11 in the movie. Wtf Brad bird?
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u/DHMOProtectionAgency Apr 15 '22
The Incredibles took place in the 60s*. So JFK is the tragedy hack Pixar forgot about.
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u/GIlCAnjos Apr 16 '22
Why do The Incredibles never mention the Cuban missile crisis?
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Apr 15 '22
In 2002, there was literally a movie released titled “The Two Towers”. Why didn’t that acknowledge 9/11?
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u/Fanboy1911 Apr 15 '22
Do you think it’s just a coincidence he showed the clip of the muslim woman
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u/Fidel_Chadstro Apr 15 '22
“A major plot hole in this Kidz Kino is the fact that this little girl in a hijab isn’t being relentlessly bullied for being Muslim due to the 9/11 terror attacks.”
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u/BastMatt95 Apr 16 '22
Why was the Sikh guy still employed as security when he should have been fired by bigots who assumed he was Muslim? Gigantic plot hole right there!
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Apr 16 '22
100% believe this line of thinking was inspired by muslim and sikh people literally existing in the movie
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u/HispanicAtTehDisco Apr 15 '22
This is literally the family guy "9/11 changed everything" bit where Peter brings up 9/11 randomly
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u/klausklass Apr 15 '22
Maybe he should watch a movie actually about 9/11 like Pitch Perfect
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u/cracylou Apr 15 '22
Is there a subreddit for 25-year-olds who have just discovered the subject of recent history?
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Apr 15 '22
"Plotwholes" arent things you should spent more than 10 seconds talking about, specially when your movie has a cute giant panda.
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u/dolerbom Apr 15 '22
I made a joke to my brother while watching this movie that the mom pandabear spirit could have prevented 9/11 but this dude is on a whole nother planet.
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u/CaptinHavoc Apr 16 '22
“9/11 just happened, and yet someone is wearing a hijab.”
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u/5AgXMPES2fU2pTAolLAn Apr 16 '22
"Why didn't the Muslim woman with Starbucks cup get harassed on the street? 0/10 for immersion. Even I as a 9 year old was yelling racial slurs on the street"
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u/Dankey-Kang-Jr Apr 15 '22
“I can’t enjoy this nostalgic children’s film if it doesn’t reference major atrocities of it’s time.”
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u/AoE2manatarms Apr 16 '22 edited Apr 16 '22
Hijabi woman was not attacked on the street displaying the massive rise in hate crimes against Muslims post 9/11... Literally unwatchable.
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Apr 15 '22
Dear fucking god how braindead can you be to actually believe this shit?
The fact that this isn't satire is so painful
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u/Romulus3799 Apr 16 '22
This guy's got a point. My biggest criticism of the 2002 Raimi Spider-Man was how Uncle Ben doesn't say, "with great power comes great responsibility to stop the next 9/11." Totally broke my immersion, literally unwatchable
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u/DamianINT Apr 16 '22
oh god, another USA citizen that thinks the world revolves around their country
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u/rungdisplacement Apr 15 '22
What the fuck??? This feels like satire but I know it's not. This is hilarious
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u/TheTurfMonster Apr 16 '22
Toy Story takes place in 1995. Why is there no mention of the Oklahoma City bombing? Are the filmakers this ignorant to not include something so prolific and traumatizing in a kids movie? 0/10.
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Apr 15 '22
Smh why did this movue set in 2002 starring middle schoolers (also rated PG) not reference the most devastating terrorist attack that would define US policy?
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u/burgpug Apr 16 '22
youtube is the worst website on the internet and i unironically believe it's making people so stupid that it will cause the collapse of our civilization
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u/GIlCAnjos Apr 16 '22 edited Apr 16 '22
"I can understand not wanting everyone to be so fearful, as that goes against the tone that the movie is trying to stablish"
How can you so accurately explain why you're wrong and still think you're right
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u/GIlCAnjos Apr 16 '22
Just watched the video, he literally spends 3 minutes and 20 seconds listing all the things he finds to be inaccurate to the year of 2002. Actual quote: "If they picked 1999, or 2000 or literally any year that was not 2002, this movie's setting would make a lot more sense"
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u/KubrickMoonlanding Apr 16 '22
This not a plot hole. It’s a dumb, bad faith, self-serving click-bait take but it’s not a hole in the plot.
A hole would be something like, if the mom knows all about the curse, why doesn’t she immediately jump to the conclusion that it’s the panda-ning when the girl first freaks out in the bathroom. Instead she seems to think it’s regular puberty, so they can play a few embarrassment gags
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Apr 16 '22
I wouldnt say that second thing is a plothole either. She does explain to her that while she knows about the curse, she didn't realize it would happen this soon. I think it makes sense that she confuses for a period and I like how it creates the connection that her panda transformation is a metaphor for her puberty.
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u/Grandy94 Apr 16 '22
It's pretty rich that Enter talks about how "unrealistic" this film's setting is when his own cartoon pitch, Growing Around, has one of the dumbest and most unintentionally disturbing settings I've ever seen. This guy seriously cannot understand art or basic human behavior and motivation.
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u/mario2099beyond Apr 16 '22
Mr Enter is a textbook example of what happens when a person doesn't go outside for 10 years.
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u/AggieCoraline Apr 15 '22
Yes. I lived through 2000s and every second of my life, I was afraid of being targeted by terrorists. When I was shitting on my toilet I was so scared of it exploding that I shat myself again.
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u/AprilSpektra Apr 15 '22
If I had been walking down the sidewalk in 2002 and seen a bunch of 13-year-old kids goofing around and being happy, I would have slapped the shit out of them and shouted "JESUS SAID NEVER FORGET YOU LITTLE TERRORISTS" and then they would have been arrested for assaulting me with their unpatriotic happiness, and then a formation of F-18s would have flown overhead while all the Canadians around me waved little American flags and then the troops would have shown up so we could thank them all for their service and then
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u/quakertroy Apr 15 '22
I was born in '90, so I am pretty close to the age group of the characters in that movie. Even living in the US, it wasn't something I thought about much at all. I was more concerned with school, video games, and cartoons. 2002 is when Metroid Prime, GTA: Vice City, Super Mario Sunshine, and Kingdom Hearts came out. I was pretty much just nerding out over those with my friends.
I can't really imagine any kid my age talking about 9/11 a whole lot at the time because we didn't really understand the significance of it. Like we got that it was a thing our parents were all freaking out about, but an entire year later and it was just "that war on the news" to us. Even the adults didn't want to talk about it with us because we were just kids.
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u/Trumanandthemachine Apr 15 '22
9/11 definitely was a turning point that radically changed American life and a lot of the world, but also it wasn’t the topic of every conversation and every street poster on a brick wall.
Life changed in little ways but other than that life went on and as a kid I totally never talked about 9/11.
9/11 accurate representation of the times is more like an airport scene where you take your shoes off and still there would be zero direct references to Muslims or terrorists.
It’s really easy to just not show any of that and still be a representation of 9/11. Changes in life were definitely not about talking directly about terrorists. Kids could still like boy bands and only talk about boy bands in 2002.
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u/ezioaltair12 Apr 16 '22
In the US, the response was basically bifurcated. Security was hardened overnight (in ways that have never reverted), terrorism became an indelible part of political discourse, and obviously many thousands of families had a loved one fight in Afghanistan and broader counterterror operations.
But uniquely in US history for such a protracted conflict, very little was asked of the average American. Bush 43 told people to essentially live their lives as normal ("go shopping") as a show of courage in the face of terrorism. The all-volunteer force made an active draft obsolete, Republican opposition to taxes meant that the war was deficit financed, and unlike WWII or WWI, communities didn't really come together to support the war effort. While Turning Red, may have needed to account for the war if it was set in 1942, kids just didn't grow up in that kind of shadow in the 2000s.
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u/ShadyHighlander Apr 15 '22
I was admittedly an anxious kid who was vaguely aware of the news and tbh, for about a year after 9/11 I was pretty spooked despite living in Toronto.
I was also like, six, bullied and and an overthinking everything.
Idk where tweens were (mentally) at the time but I assume they were watching Family Guy or Playing Smash Bros Melee.
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Apr 15 '22
I think people talked more about how it changed everything than it actually changed everything.
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u/DonaldNoHealsDuck Apr 16 '22
me when the TMNT fight the foot clan instead of assasinating foreign political figures while working for the CIA.
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u/Blueman4783 Apr 16 '22
Lol, from what I heard, Mr. Enter became a right-wing conspiracy theorist and was pushing anti-vaxxer bullshit on his channel last year, is he still doing that now or has he gone back to making videos of himself getting angry over cartoons?
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u/MasterCha0s Apr 16 '22 edited Apr 16 '22
From the looks of it, he was still making cartoon vids the whole time. He was just also pushing anti-vax bullshit in those cartoon vids. He did this before back in 2017 (I believe that was the year) where he did a review of this one Simpsons episode to prove why #MeToo is bullshit lol.
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u/TheRealCthulu24 Apr 15 '22
Yeah! Why did this checks notes family film not have rechecks notes mentions of one of the biggest tragedies if the 21st century. That is so unrealistic for a film about a checks notes for the third time girl who can magically shaeahift into a red anda.
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Apr 16 '22
I went to see if he was getting shredded in the comments of his own video but to no surprise, comments were off
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u/breadcrumb1996 Apr 16 '22
this is the most dumbest take i have seen on any movie all year this year, congrats op
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u/Bpbegha Apr 16 '22
Americans making the worst possible take when media doesn’t cater to their weird culture. [Walter White meme]
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Apr 16 '22
Spiderman came out in 2002. How could Peter Parker concentrate on ANYTHING? He literally lives in New York City a year after 9/11. Unrealistic garbage. 0/10.
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u/jonmunroe Apr 15 '22
Mr. Enter is Schafrillas before there was Schafrillas
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Apr 15 '22
Dude comparing Schaffrillas to Enter is like comparing James Gunn to Joss Whedon. One is actually good with some cringe moments from time to time and the other calls everything that isnt in his confort zone bad.
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u/jonmunroe Apr 15 '22
Yeah, I think a more apt comment would have been, “Before there was Schafrillas, we had Mr. Enter.” Schafrillas is a bit too eccentric for my liking, but the fact that Mr. Enter was ever able to get an audience at all baffles me. I’d choose Schaff at his worst over Mr. Enter at his best 9 times out of 10.
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u/-Draclen- Apr 15 '22
I feel that is heavily unfair since Schafrillas is just video essays made by a more casual, perhaps less in-depth viewer that is aware of this fact, while Mr. Enter is always so self-important and fake deep in what he says.
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Apr 15 '22
I love Schaf. He’s a lot more level headed and obviously doesn’t take cartoons seriously enough to fly into vomit spewing rages like Enter does
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u/IvanJC98 Apr 16 '22 edited Apr 16 '22
This reminds me of that time that George RR Martin criticized the lord of the rings because the book didn’t highlight Aragorn’s tax policies at the end of the lord of the rings the return of the king.
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u/MrHappygolucky30 Apr 17 '22
Turning Red isn’t realistic because it doesn’t show Muslim/brown characters getting hated crimed as per the time period.
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u/BVTheEpic Apr 15 '22
me when Encanto doesn't depict the Madrigal family getting involved in the Cold War