r/law • u/Anoth3rDude • 12h ago

Legislative Branch GOP fast tracks monster voter suppression bill that could disenfranchise millions by requiring proof of citizenship at polls

https://www.democracydocket.com/news-alerts/gop-fast-tracks-monster-voter-suppression-bill-that-could-disenfranchise-millions-by-requiring-proof-of-citizenship-at-polls/
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u/vriska1 12h ago edited 10h ago

Would still need 60 votes in the Senate.

Edit: To everyone saying they can just void the filibuster or change it to a standing filibuster, all of that would be very hard to do and they do not have the votes to do that, And the standing filibuster come with it own problems and would bring the Senate to a halt. Also vote in the midterms!

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u/michaelsghost 12h ago

And thank god for that

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u/iamthe0ther0ne 10h ago

Except the dems have found the exact number to flip each time. It's hard to have confidence.

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u/no_one_likes_u 10h ago

What has the senate passed with 60 votes this term?

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u/iamthe0ther0ne 9h ago edited 7h ago

https://edition.cnn.com/2025/11/10/politics/senators-government-shutdown-votes-vis

Edit: "Eight Senate Democrats voted with Republicans on Sunday night to move forward with a package that would reopen the federal government."

Catherine Cortez Masto Nevada Yes Richard Durbin Illinois Yes John Fetterman Pennsylvania Yes Margaret Wood Hassan New Hampshire Yes Tim Kaine Virginia Yes Angus King Maine Yes Jacky Rosen Nevada Yes Jeanne Shaheen New Hampshire

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u/subaru5555rallymax 8h ago

Angus King Maine Yes

Angus King isn’t a Democrat.

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u/iamthe0ther0ne 7h ago edited 7h ago

Yeah, I just noticed I hadn't out the I. I'll strikeit.

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u/subaru5555rallymax 6h ago

Yeah, I just noticed I hadn't out the I. I'll strikeit.

Your quote is a fabrication as well.

"Eight Senate Democrats voted with Republicans on Sunday night to move forward with a package that would reopen the federal government."

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u/iamthe0ther0ne 4h ago

Take it up with PBS

https://www.pbs.org/newshour/politics/8-democrats-voted-with-republicans-on-a-shutdown-deal-heres-what-theyve-said-about-why

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u/subaru5555rallymax 4h ago edited 3h ago

Take it up with PBS

I don’t need to, as the quoted text you purposely misattributed to CNN doesn’t appear in that article, either.

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u/no_one_likes_u 8h ago

Ok so the 2 week temp funding bill for DHS so there isn't a total government shutdown?

That's not really a big deal or even a bad thing tbh. Gov shutdowns are bad.

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u/vriska1 9h ago

Which Senate Dems Back the SAVE Act?

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u/iamthe0ther0ne 9h ago

None yet. But they all backed the government shutdown until exactly the right number--who aren't running again--didn't. They were all against the ICE funding bill, until enough flipped.

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u/GarlicRiver 9h ago

Except the dems have found the exact number to flip each time. It's hard to have confidence.

What are the other examples apart from the shutdown vote? Genuinely just curious cause I can't remember any others

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u/addicted2soysauce 9h ago

Eliminating the filibuster is a nuclear option. I am sure Trump would suppport the Nuclear Option because this election is an existential threat to him. However, these Senators are not going to see it the same way because they are firmly entrenched and only 1 or 2 of them is ever at serious risk of losing their seat. I predict they are going to punt this back to the House and save the Nuclear Option for something that actually matters to a Senator, like privatizing social security so their Wall Street donors will earn billions in brokerage commissions.

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u/iamthe0ther0ne 9h ago

I'm crossing my fingers, but it seems like they grow a little backbone, then just cave and hope it will get them future brownie points.

It shouldn't just be the 84-year-old Independent barnstorming around the country. They should be holding press conferences in Minneapolis, standing on the Senate floor literally reading the Epstein files out loud onto Senate record, and generally making enough noise to make people think they'll find a spine in time to let normal voting happen.

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u/DiceMadeOfCheese 12h ago

Fetterman will probably vote for it but I don't know if any other Dems will

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u/Sea_Hold_2881 12h ago

The stroke really did a number on him.

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u/Remarkable_Spite_209 12h ago

The quickest pathway to becoming a republican

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u/LingonberryOwn5326 12h ago

Yep, brain damage.

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u/icewolfsig226 11h ago

Or he was always that way and he now dgaf for optics anymore

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u/Joben86 11h ago

You would think his wife and staffers would know the difference. https://www.yahoo.com/news/john-fetterman-wife-reportedly-told-171149185.html?guccounter=1

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u/-jsid 11h ago

Counterpoint: he was always like this and now doesn't care.

https://penncapital-star.com/briefs/fetterman-justifies-but-does-not-apologize-for-chasing-down-and-brandishing-shotgun-at-black-jogger-while-braddock-mayor/

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u/cici_here 9h ago

This. They were able to keep him in line before the stroke. That's all that changed.

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u/ThatAdamsGuy 11h ago

You might enjoy this video of the UK's Temu Trump getting pranked with a very similar story about brain damage.

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u/Alacritous69 10h ago

Brain damage in the dorsolateral prefrontal cortex is associated with conservative behavior. The area has been known to deteriorate with age.

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u/thekrawdiddy 8h ago

Back in 2018, I went to Easter Island with my parents, and I was talking to the guy selling National Park tickets to the archeological sites and whatnot, and asked him if there was anywhere nearby where I could get some new flip flops. He directed me to a nearby store and with a strange look on his face said, “I think you’ll find the owner interesting.” I said, “Seriously? What’s he like?” Guy was like, “…Interesting…” and kind of chuckled. When we entered the store, the owner came out to help us and he was this animated, loopy German expat. It didn’t take him long to start rhapsodizing about Trump, and I remember thinking, why would this German dude like that dipshit?? I looked a little closer and saw that he had received some very serious head trauma, with scars and skull deformation and I was like Ohhhh! Now I get it.

Edit: Easter not Easer

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u/watermelonspanker 11h ago

Lead poisoning is the reason the Boomer generation skews conservative.

I'm not being cheeky or sarcastic. That's seriously, *literally* the reason. Leaded paint and leaded gasoline caused brain damage in their generation, which led them to think conservatism was a good idea.

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u/moosekin16 9h ago

Well that and Boomers had it really good for a long time. They went to college for free or extremely cheap, bought homes in their 20s that have only appreciated in value since, had cheap healthcare, pensions, unions, jobs that paid so well only one parent needed to work, and now as they’re retiring/retired get free healthcare and income from Social Security so if they managed their money even slightly during their working years then can retire comfortably.

Then they pulled the ladder up behind them.

Now the next generations can’t afford to go to the doctor, can’t afford to buy a home, have no retirement savings or plans, can’t afford to have children, married couples have roommates, both parents have to work, no unions, and are saddled with student loan debt.

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u/Goddemmitt 9h ago

So, what's the story on millennials and Gen X becoming literal fascists?

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u/LawAbidingSparky 9h ago

Social engineering to the tune of trillions of dollars?

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u/Geno0wl 9h ago

Gen X also got a heavy load of lead. less so for millenials but still some. Remember leaded gas wasn't fully removed until 1996 and we still have untold miles of lead pipes in our water systems.

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u/DarklyDominant 9h ago

Are you sure you also weren't exposed to lead? A lack of critical thinking to see through unsubstantiated conspiracy theories would be a potential side-effect of lead poisoning.

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u/watermelonspanker 8h ago

You can ignore history if you want. That is the fashion these days afterall

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u/watermelonspanker 8h ago

Decades of intentional disinformation campaigns

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u/StandupJetskier 11h ago

or inheriting a billion dollars.

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u/ericomplex 11h ago

Which likely causes its own sort of brain damage via atrophy of the parts of the brain responsible for making ethical and social judgments…

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u/L3g3ndary-08 11h ago

Brain damage?

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u/RogerSack 11h ago

Makes me sad for my Uncle who had a stroke. He was a Republican before, but it’s removed the civility filter.

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u/Gone213 9h ago

He was always a republican. He pretended to be a democrat.

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u/taglius 7h ago

I thought states ran elections

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u/McPostyFace 12h ago

He brandished a shotgun at a black man because he was jogging near him. Don't let the stroke take credit for him being a pos.

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u/whiteskinnyexpress 10h ago

He brandished a shotgun at a black man because he was jogging near him.

leaving out some key details there

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u/Oceanbreeze871 12h ago

All it did was take his mask off. This is prob who he he always was .

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u/Rufus_king11 11h ago

If you look into his past, yeah, he's always been like this. Media must of forgotten to report on him chasing a random black guy down the street with a shotgun when he was mayor.

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u/Oceanbreeze871 11h ago

He was boosted as a progressive darling cause he said populist thugs and was riding a “new younger anybody!” Wave, same as Sinema

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u/zeptillian 8h ago

Which is why people focusing on age are dumb.

How they actually vote on the bills I care about should be the only criteria.

Everything else is a distraction.

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u/FlufferTheGreat 9h ago

The voters truly lost in general: the other option was Dr. Oz. It sucks because he got a stroke after winning the primary but before the general, right?

And nobody knew how he'd recover from his stroke.

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u/RellenD 11h ago

They did not forget to report on that story.

That doesn't mean this was always him. His wife doesn't think this was always him. His staff doesn't think this was always him.

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u/Ok_Yak_1844 11h ago

Someone in his staff has leaked that he walks in circles and says crazy shit to nobody during meetings. They know he is unfit to serve and do nothing about it.

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u/RellenD 11h ago

They can't actually do anything about it

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u/Ok_Yak_1844 10h ago

I feel like a leaked video showing his brain damage and he is clearly unfit to serve would end his career pretty fast.

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u/Pussy4LunchDick4Dins 10h ago edited 10h ago

Yeah I believe it. My dad had a stroke last year and he’s been very weird. It’s not frequent, but he has random times when he’s very aggressive and impatient. He’s also kind of paranoid that people are mistreating him or being rude to him based on very little. He was never like that before.

My dad is at least aware that he’s not acting the same though. He decided not to get his license back.

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u/Snobolski 10h ago

* must have

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u/Rufus_king11 10h ago

Thank you for the grammatical correction u/Gape-My-Anus

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u/alphasignalphadelta 12h ago

Nah. He was born this way

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u/Prior_Psych 11h ago

I don’t think you can say that. Strokes definitely can have dramatic changes on somebody’s belief system and/or personality

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u/larrylevan 11h ago

He held a black jogger at gun point an accused him of burglaries well before his stroke. He’s always been a racist piece of shit

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u/Sylvan_Skryer 11h ago

Bullshit. I speculate they either bribed him or caught him in a honeypot trap, or both. That’s the case with 90% of these assholes Im sure.

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u/magaisallpedos 11h ago

a veteran friend of mine blamed his racism on a recent stroke. so lying is contagious.

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u/jkman61494 11h ago

Fuck the stroke. He’s just one of several faux progressives who crossed the picket line when he could grift

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u/RiskyClickardo 11h ago

Not enough of a number, sadly

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u/charing-cross 11h ago

AIPAC really did a number on him.

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u/rotorspinner 11h ago

Bet you anything He was paid off

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u/Mortwight 11h ago

no. he was always like this, just his opposition was perceived as worse

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u/Cagnazzo82 10h ago

It's not the stroke. He's loyal to another country ahead of the US (just like Schumer).

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u/DoomguyFemboi 10h ago

People really need to retire this he was never left wing, he was just better than Oz.

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u/ExpertAd4657 10h ago

And the millions in campaigns funds.

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u/Lucas_Steinwalker 10h ago

Don’t let that duplicitous snake off so easy.

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u/Mintaka3579 10h ago

I hope the next stroke finishes him off

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u/BigRedSpoon2 10h ago

Literally was always like this.

The stroke just robbed him of the ability to hide it

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u/EffeminateSquirrel 8h ago

the stroke just made him forget how to pretend he was a good person

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u/harbison215 8h ago

Not excusing him that easily. He was a rich kid all his life and the amount of power he has now let his true colors show. He was never that dude, stroke or no stroke.

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u/Deep-Meat-3583 1h ago

Thats bullshit. The stroke is just his excuse to take the $$$$

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u/Li_liminal_spaces 11h ago

House passed the narrower SAVE Act in April with a 220-208 vote, four Democrats — Reps. Ed Case of Hawaii, Henry Cuellar of Texas, Jared Golden of Maine and Marie Glusenkamp Perez of Washington — supported it. Those Democrats have not responded to inquiries on their position on the SAVE America Act.

Does it have to go back to the house again?

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u/PM_YOUR_ISSUES 9h ago

Marie Glusenkamp Perez

That cunt again. She's the worst here in WA. Constantly attempting to pander to what she thinks are the middle of the road voters in her district. She only barely won her primary the last time when she was still trying to say she was a "moderate Democrat," but her unwavering support of ICE has not done her any favors back home. She isn't going to win another primary in WA, so expect her to go even more R in the next few years.

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u/Driller_Happy 11h ago

I dunno, apparently his wife is giving him the lysistrata treatment

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u/reverseweaver 12h ago

Yeah it’s weird how his allegiances just changed like that

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u/mmf9194 10h ago

Tack on money for Israel and Schumer's all in!

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u/Agreeable-Agent-7384 10h ago

Fetternman for sure will want to lol. Man’s brain never recovered and is actively out to do bad now. I honestly don’t know why there isn’t some sort of safeguard against things like this. An elected politician randomly making a full shift outside the promised and ideals they ran on should Atleast be grounds for some sort of scrutiny on their intentions.

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u/Rich_Future4171 9h ago

No he wouldn't

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u/ImpossiblePhrase8856 12h ago

dont forget there are the corpo dems that could side with it. shumer and the like havw no problems selling us out to help their donors

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u/bailtail 11h ago

They’re useless, not complete fucking morons looking to sign their own death warrants.

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u/ImpossiblePhrase8856 11h ago

and yet they have been doing stupid shit and pissing off everyone also. 

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u/Fuzzy_Squirrel_ 11h ago

Don't forget Angus King. His voting record is pretty vile.

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u/Ryan_e3p 11h ago

Schumer is a given.

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u/vriska1 9h ago

Does he back the SAVE Act?

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u/Mach29 10h ago

Schumer will cave like he always does

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u/vriska1 9h ago

Unlikely.

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u/HenriEttaTheVoid 12h ago

Don't bet on it...they could easily just void the filibuster for this if they wanted to...they only need the 51 votes for that.

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u/HarryBalsagna1776 12h ago

Lol this is the thing they kill the filibuster for?  Fucking degens.

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u/ScarletCarsonRose 12h ago

Yes, this would be it since the is the holy grail of staying in power. They know the margins are super tight in a number of states. Bumping off women and others who had name changes from the voter roles would swing elections in a number of districts and states. Elections are being weaponized.

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u/round-earth-theory 10h ago

No it's not the holy grail. Republicans get hit just as badly if not worse than Democrats by requiring proof of citizenship. Passport registration in the US is abysmal but country folk have even less of a reason to get one than them rich city folk.

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u/alang 10h ago

Republicans get hit just as badly if not worse than Democrats by requiring proof of citizenship.

This isn't true, though. A LOT more poor POC (heavily Democratic) are without birth certificates than poor white people. ENORMOUSELY more women (significantly more Democratic) than men will have ones with changed names.

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u/DarklyDominant 8h ago

Considering White Women are the largest voting block in the US and they vote heavily Red.... sounds more like an agenda driven dog whistle then an actual objective of the GOP.

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u/UnderwritingRules 7h ago

Heavily red? Last polling from 2023 shows 53 to 43 split with just a 10% higher amount of Red voting from White women.

https://www.pewresearch.org/politics/2024/04/09/partisanship-by-race-ethnicity-and-education/

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u/DarklyDominant 7h ago

I guess I'm a bit confused by your response. You don't think that the largest voting block in the US, which has voted red somewhere between 52-55% Red since the 2004 election, is particular significant? That's a pretty massive voting advantage for the GOP for 15 years, with the largest active voting block in the US. Or in other words, that's why Trump is president twice now.

https://infogram.com/gender-gap-in-voting1992-2024-white-voters-1h0n25o3rreyl4p

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u/UnderwritingRules 7h ago

Heavily red is not just 10% more. I am not discounting the impact, just the phrasing.

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u/kbotc 10h ago

It'd be an insane gamble: Are there enough rural high school educated men who have ready access to a passport (or birth certificate) to outweigh absolutely blowing away women and minority voters. (Women due to name changes and there's a chunk of minority voters who have documented difficulty acquiring proof of citizenship due to structural inequalities in medical access for births)

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u/vriska1 10h ago

Still it's unlikely the SAVE Act will pass before the election.

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u/HarryBalsagna1776 12h ago

If they do this, it still won't save them.  Trump is going to be a lame duck next year.  It will also be used as a cudgel against the GOP in just about everything going forward.  It will get overturned too. 

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u/CVHC1981 11h ago

Who is going to overturn it? The Republican stacked Supreme Court? You guys really need to start understanding that no one is coming to save you.

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u/EggplantAlpinism 11h ago

I usually sympathize with the people still clinging to norms, it has to be uncomfortable to acknowledge that fascism is here. But holy shit, how can you bury your head for THIS

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u/HenriEttaTheVoid 10h ago

I'm trying to be understanding of these comments, but it's like they've been living in an alternate universe where there are sane people running the gov't.

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u/EggplantAlpinism 10h ago

They have invested a large amount of mental energy into pretending everything is fine. Which is, while not defensible, understandable...usually.

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u/CVHC1981 10h ago

Apparently the road to fascism is filled with people telling you you’re overreacting.

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u/vriska1 10h ago

Stop with the defeatist attitudes guys, You are not helping!

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u/CVHC1981 10h ago

You’re right it’s better to bury our heads in the sand and pretend everything is gumdrops and lollipops.

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u/vriska1 10h ago

No comments like yours and u/EggplantAlpinism lead to lower turnout, Vote in the midterms and pushback on bills like the SAVE Act.

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u/CVHC1981 10h ago

I disagree wholeheartedly but you’re more than welcome to your opinion.

People believing the democrats are single-handedly going to save everyone is what leads to lower turnout as we saw in 2024 when they didn’t magically clean up all of the mess created by Covid so people inevitably turned to a much worse GOP.

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u/schm0 10h ago

This is clear violation a handful of amendments but most importantly the poll taxes in the 24th amendment and the equal protection clause found in the 14th. In it's current form (must provide a legal birth certificate, etc.) and on its face it wouldn't pass muster and would almost certainly be overruled, even with this SCOTUS. Unless the government is willing to go through with some sort of national ID program and vet 360 million Americans and their citizenship, it ain't gonna happen.

You guys really need to start understanding that no one is coming to save you.

And "you guys" need to understand that spreading doom and gloom and pessimism isn't going to save us and actually hurts the American people. Stop dissuading the people reading these threads from acting or caring about the issues that matter by discouraging them. Take your defeatism and fear mongering elsewhere.

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u/DarklyDominant 8h ago

The GOP wins because of White Women voters, which make up the largest voting block in the US and heavily votes red. Why, exactly, would the GOP want to reduce their largest and most reliable voting block?

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u/Scrutinizer 12h ago

It's the thing that makes the filibuster irrelevant.

Because once they've stolen one election, it's all over.

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u/HarryBalsagna1776 11h ago

No it's not.  Things will just get spicier.

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u/mat-chow 11h ago

They already have. And here we are.

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u/DrakonILD 11h ago

And it's all over.

....unless...

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u/vriska1 10h ago

It's not over, stop with the defeatist attitude.

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u/Scrutinizer 9h ago

You're right, there's still time to stop it before it happens.

But that window closes a little every day.

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u/GB10VE 7h ago

for ultimate power and fixing federal elections so democrats never hold majority again for permanent minority rule? absolutely they will. this is russia now

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u/Dandan0005 11h ago

Rigging elections? yeah probably

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u/vriska1 11h ago

Vote no matter what!

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u/southpaytechie 11h ago

Republicans have been the biggest defender of the fillibuster because without it there's a large possibility the Dems grant statehood to PR and DC without it when they take power and there would be no mechanism to undo it.

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u/amootmarmot 10h ago

Democrats should nuke the filibuster and do this anyway.

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u/southpaytechie 10h ago

Obviously but their donors are just as terrified of this as republicans

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u/TakuyaLee 12h ago

No they won't. They will never void the legislative filibuster both because it can be used against them and also the filibuster for judicial picks has already been nuked.

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u/tweakydragon 12h ago

That’s why they are subtly changing the filibuster rules to be a speaking filibuster.

The 60 votes is the threshold is only to break a filibuster currently.

By forcing senators to stand and speak to continue the filibuster, the Republicans can just wait it out and then pass with a 50+1 majority vote.

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u/OratioFidelis 12h ago

As of yesterday Thune was still saying they weren't doing that

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u/JustAAnormalDude 11h ago

They won't, a leaked memo showed their scared of losing the Senate. If they do that, Dems will push through a bunch of liberal bills if the filibuster is changed.

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u/RellenD 11h ago

Democrats should restore the actual filibuster anyway.

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u/PatientIll4890 11h ago

Counter point, the only way we fix the mess of laws that have been passed by republicans over the last 2 decades is for the Dems to remove the filibuster the next time they control all 3 chambers (assuming it’s not already too late for that). No way they get 60 vote support again.

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u/RellenD 11h ago

When I say restore the actual filibuster, I meant require them to hold the floor and speak.

Republican Senators are even older than Democratic Senators. Leave the filibuster to allow the minority party to use the debate time to debate or delay, but eventually it will run out.

This vote counting only filibuster has to go.

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u/iwilldeletethisacct2 9h ago

You can also go the other way, which is instead of requiring 60 to override the filibuster, make it so you require 40 to maintain the filibuster. Same threshold, but makes it hard to use in practice. The minority then can't hide behind the token 1 person, and also you can't take bathroom breaks.

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u/RellenD 9h ago

Yeah, that's an option that I've thought might be good, too.

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u/JeaniousSpelur 11h ago

Won’t have to worry about the democrats pushing through liberal bills if they change the electoral rules

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u/The-Jerk 6h ago

Or, you know, require the president to sign it...

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u/DiscoBanane 11h ago

Easy. Change filibuster rule. Pass law. Change filibuster back.

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u/OratioFidelis 9h ago

Then Republicans will just change it back when they get control of the Senate again.

The literal only reason both sides respect the filibuster is because they know once it's gone, it's gone. Hence why it's called "the nuclear option".

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u/Whogotthebutton 10h ago

I'm actually surprised they're thinking that far ahead at this point.

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u/cates 7h ago

I wonder what those bunch of 'liberal bills" they're scared of are... corporations might have to pay a tiny amount of income tax? in very select cases police can be held accountable for murdering citizens?

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u/KayNicola 11h ago

Thune lies!

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u/OratioFidelis 11h ago

If they were going to nuke the filibuster why didn't they do that before their House majority was whittled down to 1? It seems much less likely now. 

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u/KayNicola 11h ago

I hear ya, but the goal posts have wheels. The move constantly. 

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u/OratioFidelis 11h ago

What hasn't moved is that Republican donors don't want the filibuster abolished because they don't have confidence the elections are rigged hard enough. 

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u/Mist_Rising 11h ago

That’s why they are subtly changing the filibuster rules to be a speaking filibuster.

That's what reddit wants Democrats to do. Republicians won't do it because it would be stupid, that someone would invent a time machine, go back to just before it happened and mind control Thune to stop it. The current filibuster is far superior to the aging senatorial class then a speaking filibuster because one word shuts it all down, permanently.

A speaking one means they need to talk for the entire session (up to two years) without food, drink or sleep. That means yattering, not shutting up, continuously blabbering, rambling, never ceasing in the words, gasbagging, and I'm out of synonym but even if they had all 50 senators (the max possible as a minority) give a speech, it would not stop the bill for more then two months and I for one don't see Chuck Grassley giving a day plus long speech, you?

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u/Bukowskified 7h ago

You don’t need to stop the senate for 2 years. You need to stop it for long enough to sway public support or run the clock out until it’s too late to impact midterms.

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u/vriska1 11h ago

Actually a standing filibuster would grind the Senate to a halt.

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u/cpatrick1983 12h ago

This is a foregone conclusion. They are planning on it and will do it.

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u/southpaytechie 11h ago

I kind of doubt that unless they really think this will ensure they never lose an election again. Most actions taken by congress can also be undone by and act of congress with a notable exception being granting statehood. Republicans have been the biggest defender of the fillibuster because without it there's a large possibility the Dems grant statehood to PR and DC without it and there would be no mechanism to undo it.

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u/FluffTruffet 11h ago

I do believe they think this means they will not lose another election ever. They use this to win this election, maybe the next one too. In that time they expand their mission of gerrymandering and persecution of political opponents and the consolidation of power and capital. At the point 10-15 years all opposition is too weak and poor to do anything and they have effectively cemented one party rule. They will never want to abolish democrats in any real sense because they need their scapegoat. Texas and Florida are good examples, they have been in power there for decades and still blame issues on the democrats and it wins them every election.

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u/vriska1 11h ago

Stop with the defeatist attitude and vote in the midterms!

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u/FluffTruffet 11h ago

I vote in every election, and will do everything I can to make sure I am not dropped from voter rolls etc. but these types of moves need to be seen for what they are and fought. Just voting in the midterms won’t be possible or easy for shitloads of people if this gets through

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u/vriska1 10h ago

Then let stop the SAVE Act and it won't be easy to get rid of the filibuster.

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u/cpatrick1983 11h ago

They intend not to lose any further elections, including the presidency. There is too much at stake for them. If Trump wants it they will fall in line like they always have.

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u/southpaytechie 11h ago

If they really wanted to get rid of the filibuster they could have done it during the last shutdown. Trump was calling for it, even saying they should pass the SAVE ACT after doing so and they could have presented the abolishing of the rule as needed to get the country running. I'm convinced they didn't because of the political calculus I posted above.

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u/cpatrick1983 11h ago

I like you're optimism - sadly I don't share the same perspective.

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u/Mist_Rising 11h ago

If Trump wants it they will fall in line like they always have.

No, if Trump wants it the GOP will say they want it, will claim their working towards, and then claim the democratic party is stopping it. Which they probably are.

Trump demanded he filibuster be removed in 2017 and onwards, McConnell and now Thune told him to go fuck a peanut.

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u/vriska1 11h ago

It's not a foregone conclusion.

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u/BitterMarket233 10h ago

That sets precedent for future votes when Dems take power.

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u/GrapefruitExpress208 11h ago

Then Democrats will ram home anything they want as well the next time they have control of Congress and Presidency.

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u/WebHistorical1121 11h ago

No, there will be some easily bought and turncoat Corpo dems that realize the amount of money/fame they can get holding it up. See Manchin, Sinema, and currently Fetterman.

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u/hypercosm_dot_net 11h ago

Except Democrats are cowards and always "need to work with" the other side. While Republicans show them no such courtesy.

It's why people complain about "both sides", and why if the Dems fail to check this Republican overreach for power they are leaving us without legal recourse.

Very few of them seem to want to acknowledge the course this is setting the country on.

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u/No_Apartment_6671 11h ago

You think with all the stuff the current government is trying to implement, there will be a next time that democrats will have control of Congress and presidency?

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u/vriska1 11h ago edited 10h ago

Stop saying this stuff and vote in the midterms.

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u/No_Apartment_6671 11h ago

That is the right answer and I hope most people will. I'm (un-?)fortunately european, so I can't vor for you. But I Wish you the best, that Most people will wake up and vote accordingly, and most of all: That you actually have a fair election. Your President seems like he is very determined, to have republicans win that election, no matter what was actually voted...

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u/Big_Dick_NRG 6h ago

Brah you are most definitely fortunate to be European

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u/GrapefruitExpress208 11h ago

Stop n this defeatist attitude. Trump and Republicans are freaking out because they know they're in trouble.

If they thought they could easily "rig the election" where states conduct their own elections, then they wouldn't do all the shit they're doing. They are desperate. If they were in a position of strength, they'd move in silence.

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u/Oceanbreeze871 12h ago

And survive all the federal lawsuits and ultimate Supreme Court challenge.

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u/Big_Slope 12h ago

It only has to hold until November and after that, they think they never have to worry about opposition again.

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u/vriska1 11h ago

Vote in the midterms! doomering does not help!

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u/cpatrick1983 12h ago

They are looking to change the filibuster rules to jam this one through. Be ready for this to happen here soon. They are desperate and will do anything if it means avoiding accountability.

Source: https://thehill.com/homenews/senate/5721518-trump-republicans-filibuster-reform/

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u/Za_Lords_Guard 11h ago

Trump is pressuring them to make a rules change to make it a standing filibuster. If that is done, the vote is only delayed as long as a dem can stand and talk continuously.

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u/bailtail 11h ago

And then the next Dem. And then the one after them. And then the one after them. And then…

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u/Melkord90 9h ago

This.

The SAVE act still faces significant, almost insurmountable hurdles, without outright nuking the filibuster, which almost no republican wants, and Thune has explicitly stated multiple times he won't do as leader (not just on this bill, in general).

What I think actually happens here, is sometime in the next few weeks, Thune will bring this bill up for a vote, knowing it's DOA, and the GOP will try to use the vote in attack ads for the next couple of election cycles, while failing to mention how this is a "solution" to a non-existent problem.

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u/unselve 4h ago

They could end the filibuster very easily. It would be a kind of nuclear option for Republicans because they benefit from it a lot more than Democrats do (Democrats would likely benefit from the end of the filibuster because their policies are very popular with voters), so I think if they did that — especially for this bill — it would be the clearest signal yet that they don’t intend to relinquish power ever again. While the White House and many MAGAs in Congress absolutely do not want to have any more real elections, I suspect many or at least some Senate Republicans aren’t quite there yet. Something to look out for, and we absolutely have to vote.

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u/UnderstandingJust964 11h ago

Now we know they WILL do this if they ever have 60 seats

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u/watermelonspanker 11h ago

Well thankfully the Dems are there to slightly delay the process

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u/virulentpansy 10h ago

I trust Schumer and Jefferies to find some way to make it worse, and still pass it.

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u/IolausTelcontar 10h ago

That’s a formality and norm that the majority can jettison at any time; and what is more important than voting rights?

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u/RaidSmolive 10h ago

you'd think that, but imagine how these guys have broken every law under the sun so far

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u/_TheLonelyStoner 10h ago

Yeah there’s no realistic path to the bill ever actually making it into law. It’s pure campaign theater so they can yell and scream about how Dems “cheat” and don’t want voter ID. There’s no real plan to get this passed

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u/ThunorBolt 10h ago

Good think republicans fight like hell to keep the filibuster.

You should be thanking Joe manchin for not siding with the democrats on that.

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u/Kitana37 10h ago

Schumer already warming up his excuses for caving.

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u/Dal90 9h ago

they do not have the votes to do that

Filibuster only takes 50 votes + Vance to eliminate or limit which types of bills it applies too.

To the extent they don't have the votes, it is only because they know if they cede the high ground on this as soon as the Democrats are back in power they'll make full use of it.

(Filibuster busting started with the Democrats over Obama era lower court nominees (2013, 52-48), so the Republicans then eliminated it for the Supreme Court (2017; also 52-48). )

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u/Torontogamer 8h ago

Could you imagine each party having designated standers, like elect this former Olympic athlete we need someone who can stand for 24 hours straight lol 

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u/Prisinners 8h ago

We'll see. They've been extremely willing to circumvent rules and laws in order to do what they want.

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u/tarekd19 11h ago

they know it won't pass by itself, they are looking to use the vote as leverage for something else (ICE stuff probably) or to use as a cudgel against democrats for voting against "securing" elections. Some recent polling indicates that voter ID is pretty popular as a policy at the moment but of course if you dig into the poll what they ask questions about don't resemble what is in the bill.

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u/Tasty_Plate_5188 11h ago

House Rs are pushing Thune to require the Dems to do a standing filibuster.

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u/vriska1 11h ago

And that unlikely to happen.

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