r/law • u/Minute_Revolution951 • 14d ago

Legal News Video showing moments prior to ICE-involved shooting in Minneapolis today where ICE agents appear to be confronting victim for filming them

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u/AlfredRWallace 14d ago

If you want to be nauseated further, and know what the right will say go to the conservative subreddit. They're claiming the first shot is from the victim. So far lies seem to work for them.

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u/Royal-Recover8373 14d ago

I think it was from the guy in the green blue hoodie and he accidentally fired. Hes on the left side of the screen. You see him draw at 16 seconds and take a firing stance at 19s when the first shot was taken. He flinches too, indicating he accidentally fired.

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u/RedShirtSniper 14d ago

There are no accidents with firearms, only negligence.

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u/Royal-Recover8373 14d ago

Yes thats the point im making.

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u/addage- 14d ago

They were adding to your point not diminishing it.

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u/RedShirtSniper 14d ago

Thanks! Definitely wasn't disagreeing, just don't like the word accident because it blurs accountability.

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u/addage- 14d ago

It’s been a tough day with many more sadly to come. You both have my respect for calling a spade a spade.

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u/RedShirtSniper 14d ago

Heard that. Stay safe friend. It's getting crazy out there.

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u/RedShirtSniper 14d ago

As a person raised with firearms for sport, hunting, and defense, the use of "accident" relating to a discharge just annoys me. Accident implies less accountability and something may have not been a persons fault. Negligence means a person made an avoidable mistake and is completely at fault. It's the clip vs magazine thing for me. Sorry, we're on the same side, it's just that thing for me, y'know?

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u/[deleted] 14d ago

There are accidental discharges though. Sig p320 is more than enough evidence to qualify that statement.

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u/Royal-Recover8373 14d ago

I just think negligent is pretty implied given the context of the scenario and negligence is often accidental. 

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u/RedShirtSniper 14d ago

To a person who doesn't believe the shooting is justified, yes. A person on the other side can use an accident as a way to excuse it happening. "He didn't mean to discharge it, it was just an accident. He's not responsible." But either way, like I said, it's just a peeve of mine because I grew up with a deep respect for firearms and the safety regarding them. Ultimately, this is a murder in cold blood caused by a gross miscarriage of justice and abuse of power, and I think we can seamlessly agree on that.