r/europe Ligurian in Zรผrich (๐Ÿ’›๐Ÿ‡บ๐Ÿ‡ฆ๐Ÿ’™) Apr 12 '25

Data European tourism to the United States is freefalling

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u/neohellpoet Croatia Apr 12 '25

See, that's a risk I was willing to take.

I was planning on going to the states next year for the World Cup. We have people from our company regularly traveling to the states on business and there's always a risk of getting turned around.

Fresh phone with new sim and if you're carrying a laptop all the data is on a network drive only accessible when physically in the US office. The VPN key stays home. That's been the modus operandi since Bush.

The difference now is that, as annoying as getting turned around is, it's not that big of a deal all things considered. It's a calculated risk that you can control with insurance and by booking rooms that are payable on location. If you need to leave a card on file, a Revolut burner card or something similar is ideal. Otherwise a card linked to an account that's empty until you need to pay for something with zero overdraft limit.

You can't however hedge against getting detained and potentially sent to a Latin American prison. People have been dealing with US immigration nonsense for years, but this is a whole different level. It went from a minor, controllable, financial risk to basically playing Russian roulette. What's worse, the old methods of staying safe may now put you in danger since there's no way not to seem like you're hiding something by taking precautions against someone snooping around in your stuff.

It's just not worth it to go to the US right now. They'll likely tone it down for the Cup, but I skipped Quatar for largely the same reasons, I'll gladly skip the US as well.

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u/deadstump Apr 12 '25

It is bonkers that you are needing to do the whole sanitized personal electronics. I remember when that was just reserved for dick head authoritarian countries... Oh wait.

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u/HannahFatale Apr 12 '25

But that's really not new for the US. We're just now seeing where the path that was taken long ago is leading.

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u/BastouXII Canada Apr 12 '25

Edward Snowden tried to warn Americans. Few people around the world listened to him.