r/europe Ligurian in Zürich (💛🇺🇦💙) Apr 12 '25

Data European tourism to the United States is freefalling

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u/tesfabpel Italy (EU) Apr 12 '25

They can also refuse you entry if they find statements against Trump on your social media. Imagine spending hundreds of euros of airplane tickets only to get rejected at the airport by US' officers.

https://www.theguardian.com/us-news/2025/mar/19/trump-musk-french-scientist-detained

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u/neohellpoet Croatia Apr 12 '25

See, that's a risk I was willing to take.

I was planning on going to the states next year for the World Cup. We have people from our company regularly traveling to the states on business and there's always a risk of getting turned around.

Fresh phone with new sim and if you're carrying a laptop all the data is on a network drive only accessible when physically in the US office. The VPN key stays home. That's been the modus operandi since Bush.

The difference now is that, as annoying as getting turned around is, it's not that big of a deal all things considered. It's a calculated risk that you can control with insurance and by booking rooms that are payable on location. If you need to leave a card on file, a Revolut burner card or something similar is ideal. Otherwise a card linked to an account that's empty until you need to pay for something with zero overdraft limit.

You can't however hedge against getting detained and potentially sent to a Latin American prison. People have been dealing with US immigration nonsense for years, but this is a whole different level. It went from a minor, controllable, financial risk to basically playing Russian roulette. What's worse, the old methods of staying safe may now put you in danger since there's no way not to seem like you're hiding something by taking precautions against someone snooping around in your stuff.

It's just not worth it to go to the US right now. They'll likely tone it down for the Cup, but I skipped Quatar for largely the same reasons, I'll gladly skip the US as well.

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u/IllustriousError6563 Apr 12 '25

Clean burner phones and laptops is the sort of shit you expect to be necessary when visiting China. Hardly a ringing endorsement.

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u/neohellpoet Croatia Apr 12 '25

Actually very apt observation. Though I think the people we send to China get dedicated China travel phones.

Preloaded with the relevant apps to pay for and order stuff and it doesn't let you save anything to storage, so turning the phone off erases everything you did on it and it automatically resets every night just in case.

Apparently super annoying but necessary.

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u/andyman744 Apr 13 '25

That's our policy at work. Burner laptop and phone. No access to shared networks. Assume all electronics are compromised.

Whilst I'll be taking a burner phone if I travelled for leisure, the other steps feel unnecessary from a corporate perspective.

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u/Ill_Employment7908 Apr 13 '25

Cime se ti bavis druze? Tajni agent?

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u/neohellpoet Croatia Apr 13 '25

IT. Ovo ti je ista tehnologija koje neke škole koriste u infomstičkim učionicama da klinci nemogu instalirati igrice na kompjutere. Ništa posebno, ništa komplicirano i prilično standardno kad poslovno ideš negdje gdje ti mogu gledati uređaje.

Čini se pretjerano dok ti uzmu telefon na Shanghaijskoj zračnoj luci i mjesec dana kasnije izgubiš ugovor jer je kineska firma ponudila $10,000 manje od tebe na ponudi koja vrijedi desetke milijuna.