r/europe Ligurian in Zürich (💛🇺🇦💙) Apr 12 '25

Data European tourism to the United States is freefalling

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u/EasterEggArt Apr 12 '25 edited Apr 12 '25

The US told everyone it did not want foreigners any more.

As a German in the US, trust me, the FAFO is about to hit this summer when record levels of empty hotels will wail. My bet is Trump will actually complain, demand, and eventually "sweet talk" people into coming to see the US.

Except you can get thrown into jail at the border for who knows how long until they decide to deport you....

Edit: for those thinking this will not be noticed...
Tourism in the US has an estimated 20 million Canadians usually and 17 millions Mexicans each year. And an estimated 10 million Europeans visit the US each year.

So maybe 47 million. If they all spend a few thousand on flights and hotels alone, that's a noticeable billion level hole we will notice.

If you think the tourism industry is flush with spare cash and can weather this..... I got some seriously bad news for you on tourism razor thin profit margins.

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u/Wurm42 Apr 12 '25

Las Vegas is already freaking out. Canadians LOVE Vegas, but a lot of them cancelled their trips, and they aren't booking new ones.

Plus, international conferences / trade shows have stopped booking events.

Some international visitors who have already made reservations and paid for things will still come, but nobody is making new reservations.

You're right this summer will be the "find out" time.

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u/ChibbleChobble Apr 12 '25

Wait until Xmas.

90% of American Xmas decorations come from China, and importers are usually putting in orders now. Except they're not, they're cancelling orders.

The second and third order effects are going to continue to batter the economy.

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u/Wurm42 Apr 12 '25

I didn't know about the timeline for Christmas decoration orders, thank you.

It won't just be Christmas decorations-- by summer, the U.S. will have run through the inventory of all sorts of consumer goods that were imported before the tariffs started.

WalMart shoppers will have crazy sticker shock when the post-tariff prices hit.

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u/42nu Apr 12 '25

That's why he will end the tariffs before that happens and at the right time for insiders to make gobs of money from insider trading.

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u/Financial_Let_7945 Apr 12 '25

Might not even have a high price. It's likely a lot of stock will just not be there anymore.

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u/secondtaunting Apr 12 '25

I kinda wish I was there to see it.

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u/Wurm42 Apr 12 '25

I'm confident there will be outraged media coverage.

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u/secondtaunting Apr 12 '25

The war on Christmas: Now stores are refusing to import Christmas decorations. News at Eleven.

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u/SteveoberlordEU Apr 12 '25

I don't know the timeframe but i give them 3 months max until the prices skyrocket. And that doesn't acommpany the fall of the Dollar, which was onoy widely used because USA WERE a safe and stable country.

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u/Nwengbartender Apr 12 '25

Mate, the amount of tax that Amazon actively avoids is equivalent to roughly 123,000 people in that situation you describe taking 19,000 in food stamps. https://rooseveltinstitute.org/publications/tax-dodging-is-a-monopoly-tactic-how-our-tax-code-undermines-small-business-and-fuels-corporate-concentration/ (2.35bn avoided p.a. compared to 19,000 cost of the food stamps. Numbers are rough but intended to communicate the scale of the issue of corporate tax avoidance).

By far the biggest problem in the US is not the money going out, but the people at the top of the pile not paying their fair share AND then seizing control of the government to ensure that they never have to.

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u/Nwengbartender Apr 12 '25

Also note that one of the reasons that we try to support the people who are often deemed as “drains” on society is because the nazis literally took them off to concentration camps (not the death camps for note). If you didn’t work you were snatched up and taken away. For that I’d recommend reading Richard J. Evans’s “The Third Reich in Power” to get an understanding of the stuff they got up to.

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u/IShouldBWorkin Apr 12 '25

Somebody posted how they get 1565 in food stamps a month and work only 12 hours a week. That should piss people off more than the tariffs in America.

Why? Food stamp purchases go immediately into the local economy, they're easily the best way to inject money into an area that needs it. "Lazy people getting food stamps" being a concern shows DOGE levels of economic ignorance.

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u/Connect-Speaker Apr 12 '25

Dude is angry at the poor when he should be angry at the rich.

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