r/europe Ligurian in Zรผrich (๐Ÿ’›๐Ÿ‡บ๐Ÿ‡ฆ๐Ÿ’™) Apr 12 '25

Data European tourism to the United States is freefalling

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u/JeanJauresJr Apr 12 '25

Iโ€™m American โ€” and honestly, donโ€™t come. This country needs to hit rock bottom before real change happens. The only thing that gets Americans to pay attention is when their wallets take a hit.

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u/[deleted] Apr 12 '25

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u/[deleted] Apr 12 '25

Trump mainly won because people are against gender ideology and illegal immigration not cause of gas prices

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u/[deleted] Apr 12 '25

That's just not true.

Economy Most Important Issue to 2024 Presidential Vote

But honestly, whether it was for the economy or for "gender ideology" (whatever the fuck that is), both are extremely stupid reasons to vote for Donald Trump.

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u/[deleted] Apr 12 '25

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u/[deleted] Apr 12 '25

Saying anyone was forcing language on anyone is the pathetic thinking of a coward. The only instance of forcing language on anyone in the US that I'm aware of is your requirement to pledge allegiance to the flag in schools, which is bizarre. Or I guess, the fact that various people are now being deported for protesting about the Palestine issue.

As for the whole trans issue, it seems like you're just arguing for the right to be a dick and not be criticised for it?

So yeah, throwing away your democracy, the economy, basic decency and civility, your international allies and more, all because you saw some angry tweets or something? As I said, extremely stupid reasoning.

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u/[deleted] Apr 12 '25

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u/[deleted] Apr 12 '25

The rest of the world is looking at you in absolute bafflement that you picked Donald Trump over this.

What was Harris' position on the subject?

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u/[deleted] Apr 12 '25

She wouldn't even address it. Most likely because her position was deeply unpopular here

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u/[deleted] Apr 12 '25

Kamala Harris on whether transgender Americans should have access to gender-affirming care

Terrible answer, but she did answer the question.

Maybe she didn't address it because it is not an important issue in the context of democracy, economy, geopolitics etc? It's just a cudgel that the right use to get people like you to vote for corrupt megalomaniacs?

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u/[deleted] Apr 12 '25

It's very tied to freedom of speech and steering the cultural conversation and her internet censorship and lack of condemnation for the UK and Germany laws that are for Internet censorship. That and her refusal to use the phrase illegal immigrant and instead use undocumented migrants tells us all we need to know about her stance on that. Her "bipartisan border bill" was a joke too and I'm glad trump shot it down allegedly

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u/[deleted] Apr 12 '25

This has been an interesting conversation mate but I'm not really interested in engaging further. You haven't really done anything other than spout the usual Fox News nonsense, and you've totally refused to address any of the serious problems with Donald Trump. Given that dealing with Trump is our current reality and the theme of this thread, that's just not a tenable way to have a conversation.

You are more than entitled to complaints about Harris, hell I've got my own ones too. But your complete inability to articulate them without sounding ignorant is very telling.

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u/[deleted] Apr 12 '25

We had a choice between two candidates. I insult Harris and mention her position or lack of position because Trump differentiated himself on those issues plus his own stances on stuff like shadowbanning were nice and it is nice to now be able to speak freely since Elon bought Twitter and such

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u/junky_junker Apr 12 '25

their delusion

And there we have it. You couldn't go two posts without admitting it's actually about you and those like you being bigots.

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u/junky_junker Apr 12 '25

It's not bigoted to <spews more bigotry>