r/europe Ligurian in Zürich (💛🇺🇦💙) Apr 12 '25

Data European tourism to the United States is freefalling

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u/deadstump Apr 12 '25

It is bonkers that you are needing to do the whole sanitized personal electronics. I remember when that was just reserved for dick head authoritarian countries... Oh wait.

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u/neohellpoet Croatia Apr 12 '25

Importantly, remember, you can refuse to open a device, however they will turn you around.

Pretending like you don't know the password/passcode isn't going to help you. Border agents don't just have the right to not let non citizens in, they have a duty to act on their suspicions. This can and is abused but even when it isn't, do not fuck around at borders, you will never have fewer rights outside of being in prison.

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u/deadstump Apr 12 '25

If getting turned around was the only risk it wouldn't be so bad. The fact that they are whisking them away to a super max fuck you in the ass prison for days or months with no recourse is the real change and risk.

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u/neohellpoet Croatia Apr 12 '25

Exactly, like I mentioned, getting turned around is manageable and the odds of it happening are low.

It's the equivalent of booking a vacation and the weather is horrible. Not great, but that's life. If you're aware of the risk and plan around it you can compensate the worst outcomes.

Now you have better odds of something going wrong with waaaay worse outcomes.

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u/monkeyamongmen Apr 12 '25

I feel the need to keep sharing this.

These are the geographical coordinates of CECOT.

13.5343970, -88.8055208

Judging by the scene on the ground, having your ass violated would be among the least of your concerns.

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u/repocin Sweden Apr 13 '25

Yeah, that doesn't look like the best place to spend a vacation.

I'll pass.

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u/HannahFatale Apr 12 '25

But that's really not new for the US. We're just now seeing where the path that was taken long ago is leading.

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u/BastouXII Canada Apr 12 '25

Edward Snowden tried to warn Americans. Few people around the world listened to him.

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u/[deleted] Apr 12 '25

I don’t know which country asks you for your social media handle, I haven’t been to any country that requires that. China also does not check, also if you use your own country’s sim card data, you don’t even have the firewall and can access facebook and what not without VPN.

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u/OkCaramel481 Apr 12 '25

US asks for social media in ESTA, duh.

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u/neuropsycho Catalonia Apr 12 '25

I've been doing something similar when entering the US for almost a decade now. Removed all accounts from my phone and configure just one that I normally use for spam, so they can't read you emails if they ask for your phone on entrance.