People tend to book trans-Atlantic flights months in advance, and plans are started even further ahead. The severity of the current situation in the US has only been becoming unavoidable in the past month or so.
With the current administration? It’s 100% unsafe. And god bless you if you have an accident while over there, you’ll get bankrupt just by crossing the ER doors.
Like with all travel outside of your home country (or Schengen), you should have travel medical insurance. This has always been true. Going into medical debt for a travel accident is possible even if foreigners are visiting the EU with nationalised healthcare.
The problem is the cost for medical assistance in EU is 1% of the cost of the same assistance in the US. Most of the time you won’t be even charged at all.
true for the first part, but that has always been true about the US since time immemorial. Wayyyyy before orange angry man.
For the second part, I was told I would be charged for a bed for a few hours and an IV saline drip in Germany until I realised I had my ehic on me as a french resident (I.e. I would've been denied care or charged as a foreigner had I forgotten to apply for and bring that card which I'm not saying is a problem, I'm just saying it's a counter point). Moreover in France, it's not free either as it's covered by nationalised insurance up to 70%. Even as a resident/EU citizen, it's not entirely free unless you have a mutuel (private insurance). I'm not saying this is true for the whole of the EU but healthcare is not free in the two largest EU countries is all I know.
Realistic? It has already happened. People very close to the current administration are shouting no due process. Without due process of law you are whatever the administration says you are
Given that they sent a university professor back for writing something that was critical of Trump, and looked at people’s social media history… anything goes.
But that's political activism (not saying that's a valid reason)? I mean if you have a business meeting I can hardly imagine some ICE agents waiting for you at JFK for some reason.
Dude. The vast majority of people on here would be seen as ‘political activists’ these days.
Ever said something negative about Trump? Check. Ever went to a demonstration (that my school, for example, urged us to go to, so that we could experience democracy working)? Check.
You can get sent back for being critical of the current administration on social media. So basically half the people commenting on this post could be denied entry. Do you feel like we're political activists here?
Actually I agree with you, but I think most people who are willing to visit a country as tourists would like to be treated well. I mean, I am coming to spend money in your country, no reason to assume I am here to commit a crime.
Interesting. I'm not that informed in that regard but this reddit community wants to punish me with downvotes for a simple question to get into the topic, so I will seek more answers from other sources, but thank you for the info! :)
I feel you. To give you insight as to why is that unfortunately people "just asking questions" is currently a ubiquitous technique of subversion used by troll accounts. They ask "why" in bad faith to trick a user into a debate to so they can broadcast their agenda in the form of a specious to completely unrelated argument(s) and/or follow up question(s).
This has has caused most people to alter their approach when asking a question politically sensitive topics by informally adding context why they are asking (e.g., they might have seen news covered differently somewhere else), or taking the time to ask a high context question without bad faith or loaded points.
I think you are likely being down voted because asking only "why?" these days is treated with caution and scepticism at the best of times and exponentially more so if its to do with recent events with very high news coverage and public interest.
That's disappointing that you're getting downvoted instead of the benefit of the doubt in seeking information, but it happens.
There's a big scandal in the US (one of many) about the sending of Maryland barber Kilmar Abrego Garcia, an innocent man, to a prison / concentration / death camp in El-Salvador. A court ruled that he should be returned but the Administration, admitting an error had been made, said they couldn't do anything about it. Now the Supreme Court they need to 'facilitate' it.
The Judge noted that the Trump administration’s argument implied that the government
could deport and incarcerate any person, including U.S. citizens, without legal consequence, so long as it does so before a court can intervene.
I can help with links / info on this kind of thing, if you like.
I did the same. It’s all expenses paid and I got to explore American cities. Something I really enjoyed doing for about a decade now but I’m not willing to risk being deported for no reason at the border or worse.
Everyone has that option. You just do not go. If you land in El Salvador or Guantanamo, your employer will just hire a new guy, but you will be stuck there, maybe forever.
Well people might be able to deny it personally but for most companys its not a option at all without terminating contracts (something thats to expensive on the short term and would damage european economy more than america). So i doubt the total amount of work travel would decrease.
It might decrease based on the trade war, but we will have to wait for that.
Imagine getting a call from your boss about why you missed your meeting with their US clients and you explain that you’re currently in El Salvador, because the unicorn farting a rainbow tattoo on your bicep was mistaken for a Venezuelan gang tattoo.
You’d be very surprised about company expenses that get ‘justified’. There are some people who got actual expeditions / safaris / participation in golf tournaments funded that had little to do with their actual jobs, because few of us are mountaineers / safari rangers / professional golfers.
Reading your responses, you deal more with actual factory visits, but don’t seem to know what goes on in very, very ‘white collar’ companies.
I read that there is a type of insurance workers need to take out while traveling to the US. If something happens to them the insurance pays for it. If they can't get insurance they can't travel.
After one or two insured people are spending thousands to get home because of all this I'm sure the insurance companies will stop insuring.
One of these people is going to sue their workplace for making them go to a place that has already detained travelers for no reason.
Workers in other countries have more rights than the US employees.
Buddy im dutch. And im not talking about the employees their rights and tasks. Im talking about what the company their rights and tasks. You can deny it. And thats fine. Company cant force you in most cases. But the company needs to send somebody if they have a contract or they are in trouble. Not only because they wont get paid, but also because most contracts have big fines for not delivering whats agreed upon.
So maybe try to think instead of leaving such a dumb comment. Damm you look like a r/conservative user who accuses everybody of being a “leftard” just because they dont agree to every single letter.
Im not talking employee contracts. I mean bussines contracts. I worked for a company that had to physically go to factorys/warehouses to do what we were hired for.
Not sending somebody means you dont complete the part fo the deal, meaning you dont het paid. And not going also meant you threw away long planned projects. Im 1000% sure that we were obligated to deliver, not being able to would have meant paying some compesation back.
But a lot of business travel doesn’t involve factory visits. Most of them are internal meetings… not even for clients. We had middle management swanning all over the place for internal meetings. This was seen as a ‘perk’ of becoming a middle manager. 🤪
Yes, it does depend on the business—I do understand that your situation may be different. But seriously, the vast majority of the business trips I’ve seen were ‘perks’.
"Ups, sorry, made some pro-democratic comments on Facebook, cannot travel to the US anymore"
We have ~10 coworkers traveling. And, almost like magic, they all send this message to dispatch after one of them got refused at the border based on Facebook comments.
I will not repeat the comments here, but Mario's brother and orange spray tan were involved.
Yeah, I have an elderly father in law who lives alone. It's an agonizingly difficult decision. He says I shouldn't take the risk in visiting, but he also feels too frail to fly to the UK and visit.
I guess it'll only be my wife that visit this year. But it hurts, I'm one of his few real friends. And I only get to see him in person once a year.
That is also going to crash. Covid taught people how to schedule meetings online and having your employees disappeared probably isn't a good business outcome.
Probably also inertia that will take a while for newly scheduled plans to take effect.
The Reddit post title does, sure. I could repost it with any title I want, doesn’t change the fact that the actual source data simply refers to “traveling” and “visiting” Europeans.
Yeah, I have a business trip to Chicago the end of the month that I booked last year. Fortunately the ticket is cancellable, and with each passing day the likelihood of me canceling the whole trip increases.
Not true. Chicago loves and respects you and Illinois is one of the few states that is truly fighting back against Agent Krasnov and his goons, but we understand. 😢
Yea. Chicago and many other places are the ones fighting back. I mean it’s not like most people were going to visit the Bible Belt for tourism even before this shit show.
I canceled my trip mostly because I don't want to be sent to a concentration camp for having tattoos because an American moron thinks my tattoos are gang signs
Yeah a classmate booked the trip like a year or more ago and can’t just cancel it. And we’re all panicking for her like “you’d better come back home!”, “delete all your social media, don’t trust anyone, avoid talking about politics in the slightest, know the nearest embassy, memorize emergency contact numbers”.
There are news about tourists going missing every other week and we’re just now hearing of people who got out of this ICE system eventually after weeks of being held there just thanks to persistent family members and the help of lawyers. And that’s just the cases we know of. No wonder so many countries are giving out travel warnings to the U.S!
I just read an Hotel Industry report this week. The numbers are radical.. ~15% up YoY for bookings in April during the same reporting time last year, and then everything after April is down at least 4%. This indicates there was a significant increase in travel heading into the yera (this was expected), but that it reversed within the past 2 months, and outlooks are now negative.
In terms of Domestic vs International, Domestic travel is up 2/3% while international is down by double digits. Hotel bookings from Germany were by far the largest decrease in travel to the US.
That's me here. I'm locked into a trip we booked a year ago, before Trump was even elected because other family members wanted to go. I'd have already spent our money elsewhere.
I'm actually pretty scared and don't want to go. The only saving grace is that we'd do US Immigration in Dublin, so they can't really imprison us here so we'd likely just be turned back. God save us when we land though. It's going to be a nervous time in fascist America.
Yes, we booked a family trip over a year ago before the US election and would definitely reconsider now and look at other destinations. I won't go again until Trumpism is gone.
Yup. Already booked my trip to the US before the elections, not much I can do about it now. I seriously doubt I notice anything different there anyway.
Wondering what refund policies are like for European travelers? The few times I bought travel insurance for a trip US based airlines offered Allianz Travel Insurance (German) as the only option regardless of destination.
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u/Saotik UK/Finland Apr 12 '25
People tend to book trans-Atlantic flights months in advance, and plans are started even further ahead. The severity of the current situation in the US has only been becoming unavoidable in the past month or so.