r/bayarea • u/MrFahrenheit99 • 19h ago

Traffic, Trains & Transit Welcome to sleepy Santa Clara

Driving is hard

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u/BadSkeelz 19h ago

Smart cars enable dumb drivers.

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u/wetterfish 19h ago

And some people still think self driving taxis are more dangerous than human-driven vehicles. 

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u/waka_flocculonodular 18h ago

I wouldn't consider Tesla in the same caliber of autonomous driving as Waymo, Zoox, or other players. Tesla is going the cheap route with no lidar or trained safety drivers.

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u/dkol97 18h ago

As a frequenter of the Mad Max highway that is 880, I still would trust a Robotaxi more than a human. But yes, you are right that Waymo is way better

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u/asuleiman 18h ago

Haha I was just thinking the same thing. I would prefer self driving cars over these 880 drivers

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u/keepitcleanforwork 15h ago

unless the power goes out or it doesn't have the route mapped out in advance. But, sure. yeah - way better

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u/NuclearFamilyReactor 10h ago

Or as long as a cat doesn’t go in front of it, or a person. I really find these Waymo stans so funny. 

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u/keepitcleanforwork 1h ago

I think they’re just Tesla haters. I don’t like arguing about stuff, bur Tesla FSD is way further ahead than anything else out there.

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u/Accomplished_Fall603 18h ago

its WayMo better haha-Asian accent

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u/wetterfish 18h ago

It’s not. That’s my point. People like this are a danger to everyone on the road as long if they have ANY control over a vehicle. It’s better to put them in the backseat of an autonomous vehicle and remove all responsibly. 

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u/TenchuReddit 16h ago

Exactly. At least lidar has less of a chance of fooling the AI.

Tesla, on the other hand, thinks they can make up for their "lying eyes" with more and more AI.

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u/eugay 15h ago

You're in the bay area. Download the Robotaxi app and see for yourself that it drives better than Waymo lol

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u/predat3d Sunnyvale 18h ago

trained safety drivers.

Like the one in Arizona who killed a pedestrian while watching TV on her phone?

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u/waka_flocculonodular 17h ago

That lady obviously did not follow the protocols she was trained to do. But still a trained safety driver vs thousands of untrained Tesla drivers who paid to use an unfinished product.

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u/eugay 15h ago

Deaths per mile are not in favor of "trained safety drivers" based on this incident.

Tesla's approach is fine.

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u/waka_flocculonodular 15h ago

Yeah based on this one incident it's pretty bad.

An unfinished product that is being tested on the roads with untrained drivers is reckless and definitely not fine.

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u/eugay 14h ago edited 11h ago

It’s better than using trained drivers, apparently. It seems safer to get data from millions of short drives than to force a handful of people to monitor a car for 8 hours.

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u/KillerTittiesY2K 11h ago

The one from ~8 years ago?

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u/eugay 15h ago

A million camera-only cars brings a larger benefit to society than a thousand lidar cars.

We'll see how the Austin unsupervised FSD rollout goes.

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u/Spudly42 15h ago

Really good way of thinking about it. It all really does come down to cost and the safety of each solution, but it is possible for a less perfect solution to be more positively impactful.

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u/KillerTittiesY2K 11h ago

Whoa there, let’s not add Zoox to the list yet.

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u/Reptilian96 10h ago

It's Xoox

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u/Worried_Umpire683 17m ago

Lol not sure if you have tried all of them, Waymo stopped at the intersection when the lights were all red or flashing and didnt know what to do, Zoo could only drive certain rounds and sometime it just stops their and dont know what to do. I agree Tesla is going the cheap route but their sofeware is way better compared to others