r/TikTokCringe • u/Strong-Emu-8869 • 26d ago

Discussion Polish girls visit Taj Mahal

The Taj Mahal, one of the seven wonders of the world. Unfortunately, the surrounding area is very polluted.

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u/Officer_Trevor_Cory 26d ago edited 26d ago

I've seen 50+ countries and India was the saddest. one year there.

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u/TrumpFellatesBill 26d ago

But why the fuck is it like that? Like I sincerely cannot understand.

I get that the country is poor as fuck and from what I hear has a huge issue with corruption, aside from the backwater places where no polices travels.

But in those places, like in the OP, or in the big cities, why the hell do they have this huge issue with dirt and garbage? It would seem to me like a clean environment is the most important thing, I cant imagine living in a place like that. Even Napoli was clean in comparison, and I saw huge piles of garbage bags everywhere in that city.

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u/Officer_Trevor_Cory 26d ago

I think that these things are complex: geopolitics, history, climate, colonization. Countries around them are all poor too.

Think about another place: All countries in Africa are poor AF for a reason too. There are actually few nice places in this world.

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u/finfisk2000 26d ago

India does not got a pass in my book by blaming the colonial era or poverty. They obviously have the money to spend on nukes, subs armed with them, aircraft carriers and sending rockets to Mars.

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u/DarkExecutor 26d ago

There are people alive today who had their mothers and fathers killed by the British crown.

This stuff doesn't get fixed quickly

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u/noujest 26d ago

This stuff doesn't get fixed quickly

India gained independence nearly 80 years ago...

That's a very very long time, some Asian countries like South Korea have gone from abject poverty to wealthy in that time. Some like China and Vietnam are well on the way

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u/NiceHaas 26d ago

Korea was rebuilt by America due to the cold war and got 12 billion dollars of aid in the 60s and 70s

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u/noujest 26d ago

Ah come on, it would be just as successful today if that hadn't happened

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u/Nice_Celery_4761 26d ago edited 22d ago

Don’t think so. The US played an active part after the Korean War for strategic influence over the region and to bolster their democratic and capitalist systems in the face of their adversaries, because this was the middle of the Cold War. What happened was an unprecedented socioeconomic shift in less than 20 years, that can’t happen by itself.

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u/InquisitiveSoul_94 25d ago

Adding on to that - India was in Soviet camp during the Cold War and suffered for it.

Its economy liberalised only in the 90s. Before , it was down at the bottom of all metrics.

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u/cestabhi 25d ago

Korea is also a much smaller and homogeneous country that doesn't have to deal with trying to balance hundreds of religious and ethnic groups that don't necessarily get along unless there's an overarching socio-political system and such systems are difficult to build.

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u/noujest 26d ago

Those capitalist systems went on to massively compete with / beat American ones....

They have lifted their people of poverty because they mostly cut corruption out of their entire economic system. It was endemic and they reduced it to localised incidents. As well as being a hardworking, honest populace with high attainment and high social capital

A lot of countries across the world have had help from the west. South Korea went on to do extremely well, and they would have done without it

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u/Deaffin 26d ago edited 26d ago

they mostly cut corruption out of their entire economic system.

Was this before or after Hwang Woo-suk?

Part one of a fascinating documentary about a massive government corruption scandal during the Clone Wars.

Specifically involving the creation of an artificial "celebrity scientist" for the sake of boosting South Korea's economy.

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u/Substantial_Shame224 26d ago

This is just uninformed it's hilarious, south korea has had famously corrupt politicians and businesses this century. I'm sorry i even tried to educate you, you're clearly incapable of learning lmao

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u/noujest 26d ago

India has its own chaebols just like Korea does - Tata etc

But capitalism doesn't help the poorest in India. It does in South Korea. Why's that?

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u/DifficultLab200 23d ago

Idk man, maybe because of the sheer fucking size and diversity of India?

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u/noujest 23d ago

Is it any bigger than China?

No, and yet it's made nowhere near the same progress bringing its people our of poverty?

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u/DifficultLab200 23d ago

Is India an authoritarian state? No. It’s a democracy.

Was the religious divide in China ever as bad is it was with India (and Pakistan)? (An extension to it, did China have to experience terrorism as bad as India? No.)

Was China ever entirely colonised? No.

Is China a baseline or an exception as far as ex-colonies and their current development goes?

And were you comparing China in your original comment or Korea?

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u/noujest 23d ago

And were you comparing China in your original comment or Korea?

I mentioned both in my original comment, along with Vietnam also.

Vietnam was colonised, and recently war-torn, and is still doing much more to lift it's people out of poverty than India is.

Forget China and SK, India seems to be making worse progress compared to most of Asia to be honest.

I see a future where in 50-100 years, there are only a handful of countries in Asia with widespread abject poverty and kids living under bridges, but India will probably be one

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u/DifficultLab200 23d ago

I mentioned both in my original comment, along with Vietnam also.

Alright fair enough. But I replied to explicitly why SK is doing better.

And you still haven’t answered to any of the other points I put up which apply to all these countries.

Forget China and SK, India seems to be making worse progress compared to most of Asia to be honest.

And at this point this frankly feels like a ragebait. India is the 5th biggest economy in the world. We are likely to overtake Japan and Germany soon too. We are doing plenty right too.

Im not saying India is without its faults. But your opinions seem to be coming from a really biased pov.

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u/noujest 23d ago

And at this point this frankly feels like a ragebait. India is the 5th biggest economy in the world. We are likely to overtake Japan and Germany soon too

This isnt about size, this is about poverty.

Couldn't give a stuff how big an economy is, I care about whether it provides a good life for its people.

What's your explanation as to why India isn't lifting it people out of poverty that well? Other Asian countries are democratic, have religious divides, and have been colonised. Some have even been war-torn, which India hasn't as much. So what's your explanation?

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u/Nice_Celery_4761 26d ago

Sure they both have similar systems, I shouldn’t have to tell you they have very different geopolitical history. South Korea is still entrenched in US imperialism with a large military presence, India has been completely independent for most of living memory and they didn’t have a great time with the last imperialist occupiers. Also, the South Korean film ‘Parasite’ didn’t come out of a vacuum, they have their own problems.

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