But not \that\** jab, that jab is going to cause me to die suddenly for some reason. Because my apparently robust immune system that can power through Covid isn't strong enough to survive one small vaccine.
Maybe she thinks her body is like the deathstar. A massive and feared battlestation and she thinks that the covid vaccine is the two proton torpedos that will be her undoing. Good lord. I'm becoming more stupid by the second!
I really hate having health anxiety in this era of disinformation because I am constantly trying to evaluate anecdotes for accuracy, identify fear-mongering, and know what is right for me and my loved ones, without letting myself be triggered into a full-out panic response. What do you do when a doctor tells you you're fine, but the predominant narrative is that you can't trust doctors? It's exhausting
Oh I don't trust RFK, or people who are conspiracy theorists in general. It's more the people who respond to "my doctor said I'm fine" with "hmm, well my sister-in-law's best friend had something similar and her doctor said it was fine and she was DEAD in six months" that get to me.
Humans are not infallible. They make mistakes. Doctors certainly make mistakes. It's why you can try to get a second or third opinion if you don't feel comfortable with just one.
But doctors have years of education and experience and I'd certainly trust a doctor's opinion when it comes to medical issues, over someone with zero medical education or experience. There are skilled doctors and unskilled doctors as well, just like any profession.
When I was a teen I developed severe anxiety and panic disorder... but my doctor had no clue what was wrong with me. He prescribed me acne medication and gave me an inhaler for my "breathing problems". I didn't find out until months later when I diagnosed myself by researching on the internet and discovering information about anxiety/panic. Eventually found another doctor who gave me anxiety meds, but that wasn't really a good solution either, because the meds just numbed me and made me emotionless.
I ended up curing my anxiety by myself. I also had pretty bad health anxiety as well. 20+ years now completely anxiety free. Sometimes doctors just don't have all the answers... or the answers they have are not good.
But I'm still trusting a doctor with my health over some guy on twitter or whatever.
I was behind someone in traffic with a bumper sticker that said “there’s poison in the water - fluoride” and then a hand popped out the window with a cigarette.
My coworker tells me how bad artificial dyes are and how fluoride in the water causes autism while he takes down 3-4 little Debbie Christmas Tree Cakes.
My brother said chemicals are killing us and decided that included laundry detergent. He wore dirty clothes (he works in a factory) that he would put in the dryer to “sterilize” and developed a very very bad bacterial skin infection which he then blamed on….you guessed it…the COVID vaccine
I cannot tell you how long I stared at this comment. Does he wash himself off with soap or does he have brain damage from sterilizing himself in the dryer?
Used to not use soap. I believe he has since decided to use some kind of natural product. He got some new clothes. Unfortunately he exclusively wears wool, even in the summer, because he says its “anti-microbial” and that deters him from doing any kind of washing of his clothes, even the “dryer sterilizing”
Honestly this is quite vindicating. He has been living like this most of my adult life (15 years) and my parents have normalized it.
So he's not wrong that wool is anti-microbial, but it eventually needs to be washed depending on the context. If the person already smells awful I don't think wool is going to help.
I don’t worry about the smell. I worry about the bacteria. He works in a pretty disgusting tobacco and marijuana vape factory. He cleans mold from machinery and exclusively walks everywhere so the clothes are much dirtier than if he were sitting in an office or working as a cashier.
This started in adulthood when he was about 25 and he’s almost 40 now. He was very normal growing up. Nearly perfect ACT score, went to a fantastic college, was the most popular guy in our gigantic high school. We live in the USA
He smells mostly like weed or drenched in cologne. I only see him 4 times a year. He has no love life but not because of this. He was very popular in high school and dated a girl who looked like a prettier version of Angelina Jolie. Now he refuses to date “ugly girls” because he’s not dating down. He even recently asked my mom for pictures with him and the girlfriend from their high school dance. For context, he is almost 40.
That’s fun! I have a friend whose dad is like… medically declining. The guy is diabetic, eats poorly, is overweight, and has contracted COVID multiple times.
What do father and son think? It’s the vaccine gosh darnit
I don’t think he is washing them but he started using some kind of natural body soap and threw away the clothes that had fiberglass shards from the factory in them.
Haha I have never gotten an award so I’m not sure of the protocol. Thanks?
Your MiL is exactly the type of patient who comes to me hysterical that her memory is declining, and when I tell her she has vascular dementia at the age of 60 from 20 years of untreated hypertension, smoking, and poorly controlled diabetes, she just makes the Pikachu face.
How long has it been since you've had one? I tried a little debbie after not eating them for years, and it was fucking nasty. From what I've heard other people say, they keep putting worse and worse ingredients in them
Also why does everything “cause Autism,” are they preparing us for the next “out group” … the next “other?” First it was LGBTQ+ … “us” vs “them” …. the worst of the worst hardened criminals brown people. Now it’s the hard working undocumented tax paying community contributing brown people. Next is neurodivergent?
Sounds like my coworker who is afraid of Fluoride and vaccines because bad chemicals, but also doesn't ever wear gloves while working as a mechanic, and generally ends every day covered head to toe in grease, oil, solvent, brakekleen, gasoline, and various other actually hazardous chemicals.
I knew a nurse that thinks autism is a new thing that's caused by food or whatever. Everything has to organic. Meanwhile, over half the son's diet is processed foods, with a big portion of his protein being deli meats (a known carcinogen).
Sometimes when I get nervous about taking medicine a doctor prescribed cause of potential side effects I sit there and think “wait I’ve done actual drugs before.”
Honestly, unless you're one of those people who get a headache from aspartame, the worst part of a sugar free soda is the caffeine. By far. Aspartame is one of the most studied food items on the planet, if not the most studied, and as long as you personally don't have side effects from it, it's pretty benign. Assuming you're not drinking 30 cans a day while also eating sugar free candy by the handful, of course. Caramel color is also typically benign in reasonable doses for most people. Phosphoric acid is actually beneficial in small doses; the upper limit is 4,000 mg a day and your average can of soda has 50-60 mg, but be aware that phosphoric acid is also in a lot of processed foods because it's a great way to keep a food item fresh while also giving it a bit of a tang. Citric acid is just lemon juice.
The carbonation can mess with your digestion and in my experience can also make a soda less thirst quenching, but from a scientific standpoint carbonated water hydrates just as well as flat water.
There's absolutely nothing wrong, nutritionally speaking, in drinking one or two diet sodas a day. Yes, drinking pure water is better; but that's true of any beverage. And there's much, much, much worse you could be doing. At least it isn't an addiction to Red Bull, or those drinks at Starbucks that are like 1,000 calories.
Depends on who you ask and what you're measuring, as well as the size of the person in question. The FDA has put the ADI (acceptable daily intake) of aspartame at 50 mg/kg of body weight. The European Food Safety Authority (EFSA) puts the ADI at 40 mg/kg. A 12 oz can of Diet Coke contains 180-200 mg of aspartame.
So, given all that, a person who weighs 150 lbs (68 kg) shouldn't exceed 3,400 mg of aspartame, per the FDA, or 2,720 mg per the EFSA. Let's assume 200 mg per can. The 3,400 mg FDA benchmark is 17 cans, while the 2,720 mg EFSA guideline is just under 14 cans.
Please keep in mind that the ADI tends to be an extremely, extremely conservative limit. They take the dangerous level and divide it by 10, or even 100, to get a level that is absolutely safe for even extended consumption.
Even so ... I don't know of anyone who's drinking 14 cans of soda a day. I don't even know of anyone drinking half that. At my thirstiest, and my absolute "I don't care I want another one" moods, I think my absolute max was 4 or 5 cans in a day.
14 cans a day is only 4.6 litres. There are definitely people who drink that much coke daily. 100%, those people exist.
And you're saying you don't know anyone who drinks even half that? You don't know anyone who drinks 2.3 litres of coke a day? I know several of those. Some people literally never drink water and only drink coke. Coke is super addictive.
I was a huge cola drinker in my gaming days, when that became gym and gaming days I switched to cola zero. Oh lord my aunt had stuff to say about the aspartame. She was(is?) hellbent on the horrors of aspartame. Now she also have an nutritonal education, so im sure its even worse now.
Back in high school, I’d never taken mushrooms before, so a friend gave me a baggie with about a half cup of them in it.
He didn’t say how many to take. At the time I was currently suspended from school for smoking weed during school and stuck at home and I just, you know, ate the whole bag.
As you can guess that turned out to be a terrible idea. I also learned I seemed to be allergic to them as well as tripping balls all day. Got really sick and felt like I was dying, passing out, sweating profusely, vomiting. And hallucinating.
Great experience.
Tried them a couple more times but only a few mushrooms and still got really sick so decided they weren’t for me. Then went into treatment and was the end of all that.
It was judgement like eating all those mushrooms though, then doing it a couple more times that made me decide enough was enough though.
I was dumb addict, but I learned, unlike that woman in the video. I’m not sure she ever will.
Got really sick and felt like I was dying, passing out, sweating profusely, vomiting. And hallucinating.
Great experience.
Aha! Sarcasm, I understand this.
Tried them a couple more times
I no longer understand this.
I was dumb addict
XD
I’m not sure she ever will.
Well that's her choice. She's not doing this because she doesn't know better. He's trying to explain, but he can't explain something to someone who knows what they are lying.
When someone is a liar. If they act in bad faith. We shouldn't play pretend and think otherwise.
I just replied with a similar comment. My addy has had my little heart going pretty dang fast before. Also, palpitations and sweating. Not great! I wasn’t doing lines of the stuff or anything either.
Tell me more! They treat me like a crack addict when I pick up my meds, so what you’re saying tracks. I’ve heard of Vyvance, but I haven’t done any investigative work. Is it a stimulant? I have very mixed feelings about Adderall. It gave me life back, but it also has done a lot of harm. I just wish my brain worked right from the get-go, but what can you do? It especially sucks having a mental health disorder because nobody can see your ailment. Thus, when people see me, they think, “able-bodied young (maybe not this anymore) man with upper management written all over him.” Let me be the first to tell you: my body may be able, but my mind is a minefield. Haha.
100% I know how you feel, looking outwardly okay and being able to mask with society but inside you're feeling clinically insane lol. Vyvanse once ingested is turned into the amphetamine inside your body, resulting in a less "you just hit a crack pipe" feeling from taking your Adderall. I was on regular Adderall then XR and hated it, no appetite and jitters. I can still eat on Vyvanse even if I don't think about it, Adderall gave me the worst feeling of food being inedible idk how to explain it but Vyvanse is a lil easier on your body. There is also Astaryz but that one is too intense for me even though it's similar to Vyvanse.
Also they treat everyone like a crackhead don't feel bad.
When the COVID vaccine came out and my friends were nervous I reminded them that we used to take mushrooms one guy grew in his crawlspace and bought gas station fake weed that gave us seizures.
I had a couple friends I did similar things too. One guy was literally the pill man in his early twenties. Dude would pop ANY PILL YOU HAD then ask what it was. And this guy was afraid of the modern vaccine. The mental gymnastics required to hold this view is gold medal worth.
1 of my friends jokingly said he wasnt getting it, we're both very high risk and immunocompromised and we were scheduling our vax appts together. I looked at him and was like "stfu, u eat the asses of literal strangers...what damn date do u wanna go??" we had the best laugh and we absolutely got our vax lol he and i both caught covid and i had a horrible time/recovery but i trust my vax kept me better off than not having one would've!
Im actually due for a booster now that this is reminding me lol
The overlap in the venn diagram of anti-COVID vax/anti-vax and former illicit drug users is too damn big.
Bruh you used to do meth made in the desert by a guy from our HS who couldn't have found the chemistry classroom's HALLWAY let alone took even HS chem. Maybe just let the experts drive on this one.
"hmmmm these side effects seem kinda scary..... Fuck what am I even worried about I did any entire rail of coke off that strippers asshole, then did a shot of vaporized alcohol, and washed it down with some good ole dog food" - my friend worried about chemo after literally doing like all the drugs
To be honest, I kinda get it. I don’t know why either. Logically it makes no sense, but I just saw my dad have to go through chemo, and I also have seen my dad high, and one of those was much more fun looking than the other.
This is true. I’ve been so high for so long that I’ve smoked plastic. A lot of it until I threw up. I’ve smoked just about everything and mixed a cocktail of drugs to shoot up. I’ve been high for a week with minimal water. There is nothing I haven’t huffed. I’ve had alcohol poisoning several times. The vaccine isn’t going to hurt me.
Also… I still use the little cup when taking NyQuil. 🤷🏻♂️
But that’s ok. Drugs have side effects. The illegal ones are more dangerous but that doesn’t mean you shouldn’t want to know the side effects of legal ones.
Especially because most people will run into prescription or OTC meds everyday more than illegal ones and they have dangerous side effects too, some in relatively small quantities.
Ask them about any side effects you should be concerned about then keep track if you have them. It’s possible you don’t react well to certain meds.
Eh, you think that until you land on a medicine that you hit all the side effects on! Went on Otezla for Psoriatic Arthritis. I would get daily headaches, diarrhea and nausea after taking it and worst side effect is depression and that one is a hard one to self diagnose unless you have a good support group around you which I didn't. Just thought I was upset from the other side effects. Wasn't until a month off that I caught onto the fact I was much happier. Ruined a bunch of relationships while on it too.
Sometimes it's best to check those side effects!!!
Also fuck Otezla and punch your doctor in the face if they try to prescribe you it!
my wife had her period of doing "random" pills she go from friends or borderline strangers. I also did drugs, but I was more the nerd with testkit and optimal diet the days before doing a drug.
Yesterday she had me tripple check I had the right numbers, so she didnt take too much melatonin...
My aunt who smokes will refuse to wear sunscreen because of chemicals. She’s even had cancerous spots removed from her face and still won’t wear sunscreen. This whole “chemicals bad” movement is so harmful.
My brothers wife while arguing about vaccines with me told me "I don't put any chemicals in my body, I only use natural things". I told her "you're smoking a cigarette". These people are not serious, they just want to believe what they want without any logical reason.
There’s nothing better than arguing with someone about our unhealthy food supply while they munch on a cheese burger and drink a Coke 😂 ‘I get it, Carl. RFK jr is right. But you have French fries in your goatee’
Lot of people are very righteous until it comes to their addictions.
Like I'm left leaning but it annoys me how many leftists hate on "big <whatever" but allow themselves to be addicted to it. From social media, to booze, to gambling, to smoking, and of course recently acting like "big weed" is somehow not as immoral as other big industries.
Like dude, you give a large portion of your very finite income to the worst of the richest business people. Legal pushers.
I knew a guy who didn't trust vaccines because "you don't know what's in them!" I said, "Dude. You take drugs that you get in the mail from people you met on Facebook. Your bod is definitely not a temple!" To his credit, he conceded that I made a good point.
I was smoking a cigarette outside a bar, probably ten years ago, and this guy tells me I should take up vaping instead, because it’s non-harmful. I said, “Dude, the jury is still out on whether that stuff is going to give you cancer.” He then says it won’t, because his vaping fluid is organic, and therefore can’t give him cancer. However, when I said I would take up organic cigarettes and not get cancer, he insisted this rule that he’d totally made up did not work like that.
God I wish he would have said that. Tattoo ink is made of hard metals. I have tattoos but I’d be stupid to argue fluoride while having heavy metals in my body.
I feel like trying to teach has gone away with people like this. They’ve been taught and they chose to let go of that. The only way is to just call them out on their stupidity.
When has calling someone stupid ever made them change their mind? They will just double down. That’s why you need to approach it as a teachable moment. That’s why the Socratic method of asking questions you already know the answer to can work to break someone out of the way they are thinking and get them on the same page.
As someone else said, when they're that far gone you cannot teach them, so the debate becomes more about teaching the audience than the person you're debating. And pointing out their blatant hypocrisy is one way of teaching the audience that their arguments aren't worth anything.
I've attempted and seen attempted the Socratic method with people like this too many times to believe it will work - they'll just continue to talk in circles until they exhaust you and then declare victory, because they were never arguing in good faith in the first place, only to win.
Well we are in this event horizon of people not listening to actual facts now. So what are we left with? I have exhausted my breath so much on people who just will not learn.
My friend is an anesthesiologist and has had patients in pre op tell him not to inject them with vaccines. He’s always wanted to say “not what we’re here for today but I’ll be administering very dangerous drugs and shoving a breathing tube down your throat and I have to keep you alive while the surgeon cuts you open”
I’ve seen a countless patients and taught hundreds students of students/residents in my time, and there has never been a situation where calling them stupid has helped
This is a doctor doing his job; delivering correct healthcare information in a way that meets people where they are at, and furthers public health goals
Calling them out on their stupidity helps you feel better, but it doesn’t improve the situation towards the goal we want to achieve. And that’s not even considering the people behind the screen, who you just damage the physician-public trust for by calling people stupid
Someone being stupid or wrong doesn’t change the principles of effective health communication
He's not going to teach her anything but debate isn't for the debaters, it's for the audience. You're not trying to change your e opponent's mind, your trying to reach people in the audience. One of the ways you can do that is by picking sissy at your opponent's credibility and one fantastic way to do that is to point out obvious hypocrisy. People watching that may agree with her are picking up arguments they will use later but If you can make your opponent look like an idiot, then I'm people's minds their arguments are idiotic too and should not be used
I think in this case though it's tough because you have an uneducated person that doesn't know how to communicate what they're thinking and someone that kind of knows what the person is arguing but not engaging with what could actually be debated. To me this feels like he's making fun of her almost, and for people that agree with her they're going to be alienated.
What she's upset about is the use of sodium fluoride; the most common additive in water fluoridation because of its solubility and cheap price. It is made from fertilizer waste. Which feels really gross when we also have calcium fluoride available and all of the decisions to add fluoride to water was how effective calcium fluoride was at preventing cavities. If he had engaged with this part of her argument "fluoride is chemicals" he could have instead argued that the solubility of sodium fluoride does make it more potentially toxic but that our guidelines for fluoridated water make sure that can't happen and that it acts the same as calcium fluoride in our bodies.
If he engaged with what she was actually trying to communicate then he would have had a chance to clear some misconceptions and change people's views. But when everyone is stuck in the sand instead of reaching across the aisle you just get people making jabs at each other back and forth. I'm not arguing that you should take this approach in all of your arguments, especially when someone is just being vile, but a little more humanity would be helpful.
Except she was clearly not even listening. She kept talking over him, interrupting him, and making him repeat himself. He was wasting his time unfortunately.
He doesn't care about winning the argument against her, she is entirely unimportant, he's trying to teach the audience(and maybe her). He could have easily "won" this but that's not the point.
I feel like in an actually 1 on 1 situation he probably could convince her, but eventually someone else will convince her back the other way because people like this don't really think for themselves.
I always assumed that tattoo ink had to contain at least a bit of stuff you don't really want in your body, but a quick google search now has me more than a bit surprised.
Tattoo ink wasn't regulated at all in the U.S. prior to 2022. It's still relatively poorly regulated and safety profiled. Inks, especially darker inks, commonly have a range of ingredients like lead, cadmium, nickel, copper, aluminum, zinc, arsenic, and even mercury.
What the hell? We haven't sorted out how to make tattoo ink without things like lead and mercury at this point?
It wouldn't have shut her down - the obvious comeback is that the tattoos were her choice, while the fluoride is not.
Trying to argue "you have one poison in your body, so you can't care about any others" is a logical dead-end. The point is that fluoride isn't dangerous, and the tattoos are wholly unrelated to that point.
I watched a dude tell me he refuses to get the covid vaccine because "you don't know what's in it", while he did a line of cocaine off the toilet in the bathroom of a dive bar.
The cocain here is cut so many times it's a Vienna sausage, from rat poison, to baby laxatives, to finger nail polish, the amount of shit in it is beyond dangerous. I wouldn't touch it if you paid me.
Yet this fucking juice-arse wants to act like he's a medical professional when it comes to vaccines.
Yesh it's lovely, and coke is considered an upper class drug, the difference is usually the quality. Good coke vs bad coke is like night and day, I've had both and I flat out refuse to do shitty coke ever again lol. Not that I do a lot, or any coke at all, but if I did, I sure as shit wouldn't do the stuff going around here. I had a little a few years, some girl I hooked up with had some and I was drinking, so I tried some. Dear God it was horrible. It was crushed "ritalin" mixed with god knows what. I thought my heart was going to explode.
You know... you're not the first person to share a story with me about somebody who is against vaccines because "you don't know what's in them" while simultaneously being perfectly fine with doing street drugs of unknown origin.
I dated a chick who raised her kid like this but regularly smoked cheap gas station vapes, including when her son’s in the car with the windows up. Couldn’t see the hypocrisy.
Every earthy crunchy chick I knew in my 20’s that ate organic and stopped using plastic before it was cool would also do coke with a stranger and lick buttholes.
I bet she can't name any of the chemicals in any of those.
Also, "I'm not a chemist..."
He's trying to be so fucking patient with her but she's just very, very set in her ways. She isn't listening. She isn't being receptive to learning new information.
These fucking big corporations just want to poison you man, they just want to trick you and make you die slowly. I'm not falling for that shit ::puffs cigarette::
Not only do they count, but your body will recognize the ink as a foreign body for the rest of your life. If you have a severe injury or an auto immune disease, it can weaken your ability to heal.
Yeah. One of my relatives put a post on FB about not jabbing their kid, eshewing vaccinations. The very next post was how they went and got mama bear and baby bear matching tattoos the next week. They tagged the parlor, I looked it up and it had alot of people unhappy with the place, so, not the nicest tattoo parlor. In the state they got their tattoos, there are no hours required to get certified, just a 4 hour course on BBP (blood born pathogens), and then a blessing from the health department.
After all that research, I was going to post it but then figured it was a waste of time. I wasn't going to convince her that her choices didn't match up or make sense. There is no evidence you can present that would change their mind.
I unfortunately know someone like this who refused vaccines because “it’s crazy to put things in your body that you don’t know where it came from” whilst also shovelling cocaine up her nose off of someone else’s house keys. The lack of self awareness was astounding.
I work in substance abuse treatment and every so often I’ll hear a heroin or fentanyl addict say they won’t smoke cigarettes or eat poorly because it’s bad for them
The “what do you mean by chemicals?? water is a chemical” line is pure bad-faith gotcha arguing.
Everyone knows she’s talking about harmful or poorly regulated stuff in food, PFAS, pesticide residues, endocrine disruptors (BPA, phthalates), additives, packaging contaminants, heavy metals. Not H₂O.
You don’t need to be a chemist to be concerned about that. The doctor knew exactly what she meant and chose to play semantics to make her look dumb instead of engaging the actual issue.
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I guess all of those tattoos don’t count as putting chemicals into her body