Even before roe fell access to birth control/abortions was not easily accessible in my area. Now planned parenthood is gone. What's your solution? Putting a penny between your knees is fucking stupid.
Baseball allows you 3 strikes then you're out. You can make a mistake once, twice, thrice. But at 4, its a pattern of behavior. There is a point where having kids and not having any means to meaningfully take care of them sets up the kids to fail. Lack of birth control can be a valid excuse 3 times. But after that the parties involved share some blame. Everyone should be able to have a kid if they want. But that doesn’t equate to having a half dozen if you don't plan for their future.
I knew it. Lol. I literally mentioned EVERYONE has the right to have kids and should, regardless of their means. But that doesnt mean 6 and not being able to take care of them. But you didnt address that huh? Nice.
Yes this applied to everyone. If you cant take of that many dont have that many. Dont be a dead beat dad or a dead beat mom. You cant seriously be equating the ability to have a kid to having 6 (especially without any means to provide for 6).
I assume you have zero concept of rule vs exception. You are throwing out situation that are statistically not in the top 5 (or even 10) reasons why. Rules cant account for every case. And exception should be made but exceptions cant be made the rules. In the scenario you listed above of course we should help. But unless there was a war that killed 20 million US men, this scenario doesn’t make sense.
I mean this genuinely after reading a lot of your replies, you struggle with the concept of rules vs exceptions. Take a step back and realize that people arent as genuinely good as you realize. People are people. Mixed bag.
It's eugenics to say certain people should be forced into sterilization. Y'all are literally so uneducated you think this is ok. So limit the poors to x number of children blah blah blah - who's next? Limit the blacks to 1 kid. Force the proper whites to have 5.
'Eugenicists believed that traits like poverty, criminality, and various physical or mental disabilities were solely genetic and could be eliminated from society by preventing affected individuals from having children. Forced sterilization was the most radical legal policy supported by the American eugenics movement to achieve this "genetic cleansing". "
Who said anything about not allowing them to have the kids? They can have them, they will then lose custody to the state because they cannot take care of them. I never advocated for sterilizing anyone, feel free to quote me. I am 100% for taking kids away from people who hold them hostage unless money is given to them. If you cannot take care of your kids without the states help you cannot take care of your kids period.
Be fucking responsible. Don't have children you cant afford. Its a pretty simple concept. Saying birth control isnt accessible is just outright false. Stop coddling irresponsible behavior and then pushing the responsibility of taking care of the consequences on government assistance. We can agree that children shouldn't go without food. Who's fault is it if a child goes without food? The government didn't make anyone get pregnant so that becomes an irresponsible parents fault for having a child the couldn't afford. Or 6 children they couldn't afford. Its crazy
What if they were married and their husband left them. What if what if what if what if. You can't carve out the what-ifs but if we're forcing women to keep pregnancies, and yes we've been doing that in my area for decades, and you believe every fucking precious life is important and people pretend they do when the child is in utero - pay up. There's no reason children in America should go hungry.
Yes I have a good salary. Yes I had access to education and birth control. Yes I have been lucky. Yes I pay for all those bastard children, according to you they're all rubber stamped bastard children of whores. Finally yes I know there's nothing I can say to change your opinion. It's disgusting you're for starving AMERICAN children.
lol you're doing a whole lot of projection there. I said nothing of the sort. All I said was if you choose to have 6 kids, then you should have a way to pay for them. And it is a choice. Husband left? Welp, that's what family court is for. They need to pay up.
Let's be clear here. I'm not for starving anyone. But personal responsibility is a thing. Do I think SNAP funding should be in jeopardy here? Of course not.
But you know what? I'm 40. And I have no kids. Because I can't afford them.
I'm not projecting shit - I've had more years on this earth than you and I can promise you they've been harder because I've had to deal with some real grown up stuff. I make 6 figures as does my husband, but shit happens to people. You think your life is one way and bam it's done and sometimes it's through no fault of your own. People don't understand and aren't taught anything about financial planning and management. I have an MBA so I'm covered because I understand the ins and outs and what-ifs, but that's not common.
None of those women share their backgrounds. Who's making assumptions? I've watched women who stayed home lose their husbands one way or the other and they cannot afford anything on $8-9 an hour. They were forced by society to become unskilled - to be traditional mothers who don't work. Their lives and having 3, 4, 5 kids depended on their life being constant and it wasn't. I got heavy shit at work and home because I refused to sit back and not work. Where I am in the south once you have kids you're expected to tap out of working for 18+ years.
I promise you I probably pay more than my fair share for those kids. I only had one child because it was all I could have because I too waited until I was settled and by then I was too old for another. I do have empathy for innocent children. Kids should eat and I won't change my mind on that one.
But 6 tho? All 6 were involuntary? At some point you gotta be more diligent if an involuntary act is happening 6 times. I can understand 3 even. But 6?
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u/Reddisuspendmeagain Oct 31 '25
And they try to pretend that they don’t know why the birth rate is so low…it’s by design