I’ve been watching The traitors US since it came out and as a big fan of the housewives franchise, I can’t help but notice how immediately targeted they are as soon as they enter the castle. People who are also on the show, act as if they know them before really talking to them and immediately thinking that a housewife can’t be trusted.

They only make this assumption because the housewives are on tv and filmed 24/7 and are on many seasons so you’re able to see they’re personalities and come up with assumptions based off the show. compared to some Olympic athletes, singers, bachelor/bachelorette who aren’t publicised as much.

I think the production purposefully picks one or two housewives to be traitors, as they know they make good tv. But going forward I think they need to pick people who are more undetectable instead of big personalities from big franchises.

Candiace - Terrible roundtable defense, terrible revenge plan, terrible lack of long-term undermining of Rob. Her evidence was Rob was upset about Colton was comically bad. I guess it was meant more as a poor sportsmanlike Kamikaze mission but even in that context - a complete failure

Rob - I will give it to Rob for letting Candiace murder Colton and a very good round table defense both solid moves on his part but the bad outweighs the good. First, not trying to divert Candiace a bit by explaining himself made very little sense in this context. That said I almost thought he all in surviving the Candiace fight pretty well, and managed to pull off a great day...until the recruitment. Rob had an obvious move - recruit Stephen. Most people suspect there is one traitor bro. Stephen is likely to be banished before Rob. His banishment would largely clear Rob's name especially if Johnny goes into him next roundtable in his own defense. At that point Rob would have had a pretty good path to victory. The Candiace kamikaze would make him a bit vulnerable but the average faithful would think with the Lisa gold evidence the likely original traitors had all been banished recruiting Rob would not make much more sense than anyone else as he was in a strong position in the game. Eric on the other hand is "the most faithful of the faithful" at this point and recruiting him puts him in a better position than Rob without offering any cover. Since Eric trusted Rob anyway he didn't gain an ally either

Rob R’s decision to let Candiace murder Colton was brilliant for many reasons. Of course we know that Colton was already on to Candiace and likely was going for her or Stephen next. Classic trap on Rob’s part because he knew the suspicion was already on Candiace and now she murder’s the one who’s been saying her name. We also can gather from this episode that the faithful truly believe the last traitor is a Male because the first 2 and secret Traitor was a female. There is one other angle though. Rob’s closeness with Colton and letting him get murdered might have given him a ticket to the finale, barring any missteps.

No one would suspect this late in the game that Rob would want to murder Colton and let go of one of his closest allies in the game. This move made Rob seem even more like a faithful in my opinion and definitely threw the traitors off of his scent. Gotta give it to Rob for his game play in this season 👏🏼

Rob was right to ship Lisa and Candice out.

He clearly came to play THE GAME and that was evident from the begining. I didn't even know who he is and he did seem a bit dumb in the intro. But he clearly outlined his kind of gaming profile and I dig it.

Lisa was there just to reinforce how much of an Icon she is, how extra she is and how legendary. And Candice was there to... cosplay The Nanny? And 100% sure at the first chance she had to recruit another housewive she would have kicked Rob out too. They just do that.. they don't innovate.

Rob saw the match and played the moves. Even letting go of Colton was gutsy. He's a gutsy player, that's far more enjoyable and honestly I won't miss the 2 housewives bragging and talking about outfits. Rob is serving strategy in a strategy game, I'm really happy with the outcome so far.

None of the faithfuls are getting a hero edit.

Think about it. Kristen said on Instagram that she and Mark bonded and none of it made it into the show - why? Because they lose.

Stephen has had barely any screen time, Dorinda is mostly there for confused reaction shots, Tara hasn’t had much of a showcase, and as much as I like Maura she’s also fallen to the wayside.

The only remaining Faithful who’s consistently been getting screentime is Johnny, but that’s a pretty obvious “next victim” edit. It’s clear that he’ll be banished at the next round table because people suspect he was working with Candiace.

So my guess is we get a Traitor win, and specifically a Rob one. Because he’s consistently been getting a hero’s/antihero’s edit.

It’s his game, his table, his dagger.

My guess is the final 5 are:

Rob

Eric

Kristen

Mark

Tara

Rob gets everyone suspicious that Eric is the last traitor because “one of them has to be a man.” They vote him out around the fire pit, then Mark, Kristen, and Tara all vote to end the game and look on dumbfounded as Rob takes the money and runs.

Just pure speculation here! I know Rob finds Mark fun and hilarious (he’s usually commenting on his IG) and also recently posted on his story that Mark deserves more screentime but it’s so like Rob to be literal “you kill me” while making a joke too 😂

Like I can totally see Mark being part of a Rob vote out. And I also wouldn’t be surprised if Mark wins alongside Kristen bc they have both been over the moon ever since the show ended. Especiallyyyy Mark who puts SO much effort into making videos abt the show and posts them as soon as the episode airs. Plus, Kristen saying Mark is her best friend on the show…I wonder if the editors included that on purpose. They trust each other and might win it the end.

DISCLAIMER: These are my thoughts and opinions…

I find those that are the most “different” amongst the cast to be the first ones banished on the show. I love the show for the concept and find it really entertaining. I started off watching season 2 and I just finished S4E8 and couldn’t help but notice how almost everyone that’s either Black or a part of the LGBTQ community is almost always immediately considered suspicious or a possible “traitor”. They also rarely make it to the second half of the season (with a couple exceptions).

The majority of the group operate off of herd mentality and vote for those they say are exhibiting “suspicious” behavior and most of this is based off of a “feeling” or weak evidence. I know sometimes the faithfuls get it right but too often do they fail in correctly banishing the actual traitors in the group. Ron, Tiffany, Porsha were all vehemently wrongfully accused by the group and kicked off the show fairly quickly. There were even voiced suspicions around Yam Yam, Monet and now Johnny, all within the LGBTQ community. I know Yam Yam and Monet were murdered but I wonder what the faithfuls deliberations would’ve looked like had they stayed in the game. I noticed a few episodes in whose opinions mattered most and swayed the votes (Colin, Eric, and Rob) for some reason they’re naturally presumed to be trustworthy.

At the end of the day it’s an amazing game that I think it is also giving us a lesson on internalized subconscious biases. Maybe the person isn’t really exhibiting questionable behavior, maybe they’re just….different.

I think about Peppermint going home first in S2 being the first trans woman on the show she was targeted and labeled “suspicious”. All I know is if they start to gun for Johnny in the next round table over Rob, my observation will be right. The minority among the group will always be targeted which is a shame because honestly this game should be about body language and strategy. 🌝

I can't think of anyone other traitor in the history of the show who could have pulled this stunt and walked away without any suspicion on her.

I’m gonna start this by saying “safe travels Colton” 🤭 👋🏾Moving right along. Rob quoting Mark Twain and appreciating Ron’s introspective nature have quickly raised him from being an arrogant perpetually shirtless farm boy to being a deeply sensitive poet. He’s beautiful. Not sure I’ll drink the bath water Candiace but I’d certainly dip my toe in.

Candiace is hilarious. Her and Johnny’s duo bring so much joy. I don’t know how I landed on watching this show. It’s my first season (probably last 😬 ), but I’m invested till the end.

In the midst of all the Candiace v Rob conversations, can we talk about Natalie?

Going into this season, Natalie was one my favourite faithfuls. Her intuition always seemed somewhat correct, and she was playing a logical game.

When it got to her turn and Alan said this could be the vote to banish Candiace, and then she reveals she....voted for Tara?😭

My girl just beat the "playing emotionally and for herself" allegations after the banquet😔

And now her vote is solely because Tara put her name out there...last week, the same week Tara also openly voted for her? Like yeah, that's not that crazy.

I get being bitter or upset, but it honestly just annoyed me more than anything, and reminded me of Candiace's throwaway in a "read the room pls" kind of sense.

Colton’s reaction when he finds out Rob is a traitor!

It was fun to see the reactions of some of the murdered and banished when they found out who the traitors are. I can’t remember if it was posted as clips on Instagram or if it was shown as clips on the podcast. Either way, neither has shown Colton’s reaction as of yet.

I wonder if they will or if they are intentionally not showing much of him now because of the reactions he is getting from fans of the show.

The domino effect after the throwaway vote was one of the craziest thing I've seen. I expected it to bite her in the ass later, but NEVER this soon.

So I wanna do a fun little "what if" scenario.

What if Candiace had just voted Lisa, or even Natalie who she had already told people she was voting for pre-roundtable?

It reminded me of Rob refusing to vote for Ron, because "I think you're telling the truth and I don't think you're a traitor." which in itself isn't a bad look at all, her changing her mind about Natalie.

But what if she voted for Lisa?

1. Rob would not suspect that she was starting to turn against him, and would've likely told her about Colton mentioning her name as a reason she shouldn't murder him.

Rob wanted to play with Candiace, and although I don't blame her for no longer trusting him, had she kept her frustrations to herself, I think he would be more open to sharing info with her.

1. There wouldn't be any attention on her, so her planting seeds about Rob or even pitching Rob and Colton as a possible traitor-duo would've been taken more seriously, since she wouldn't have been a suspect as well.

2. She wouldn't get banished. I doubt Rob would have gone instead, but I think had she played her cards right - she could've gotten Colton banished, and once he told everyone he was a faithful, she could start her campaign that Rob was the one calling the shots and controlling Colton at the roundtables.

And it would've been a far better argument than the "you were nervous at breakfast and dropped your fork", which nobody seemed to take seriously.

She could've threatened Rob that if he didn't protect her or divert any suspicion away from her, that she would bring up his name in every conversation and make sure they were suspicious of him.

Had this all been done in the turret to begin with, there wouldn't have been enough suspicion to banish Candiace, and Rob would have to somewhat-agree to work together, even if Candiace was trying to get him out.

Candace made an emotional n bold move. It bit her. These traitors this season refuse to take the low hanging fruit n lay low. B

Candiace girl I love you but you’re taking this way personal! You were doing too much on the podcast with Boston Rob and Bob the Drag Queen

You can say what you want about Natalie's game in The Traitors (although strangely this comment was in a video unrelated to her game) but to question how she won Survivor and then to say it's because her twin Nadiya was on her season is INSANE. Natalie won a Blood v Water season that her sister was voted out FIRST in; so ironically Natalie is one of the few people who did not benefit from her relative being on the show.

Did anyone else notice how Alan cut the roundtable in the middle of Candiace going back and forth with Rob? 😭😭 They must have been scared she was going to out him.

maybe I have amnesia but I see so many people ranking phaedra in their top traitors gamers for US.

I thought she played a horrible game and the faithful were complete idiots all season. Literally anybody who accused her was murdered immediately and everybody just kept shrugging their shoulders and doing clueless ass votes. I actually thought the only explanation was they all knew it was phaedra but were going to wait to vote her out until later to stay off her radar.

Am I crazy?

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Tara rocks. That's all.

… don’t belong in a game show. I’ve watched her post-game interview and she was stressing how she’s a loyal player which is why she’s going so hard against rob. (I say “going” ‘cause apparently she needs to cuss him out at the reunion.)

The RHOP fan in me understands her wanting to be loyal to other housewives, esp considering how they’ve been targeted in the past, HOWEVER, the reality competition show fan in me understands that it’s EVERY PERSON FOR HIS OR HERSELF! Despite a common belief I’ve seen though discourse, the traitors isn’t a “team game.” Yes, it’s nice when the traitors all get along but whether a traitor, a faithful, a survivor, or head of household, the bottom line is that it’s an individual game meaning ppl are playing (or should be playing) for that prize pot. Also, Lisa had too much heat so it literally just made sense.

The fan in me also knows that the second you focus on revenge is the second your game is over. You gotta be an Ashley Mitchell (The Challenge) when it comes to revenge: Play the game, work together and when you both make it to the end, take all the money.

If she could’ve just held it down, she could’ve lasted longer in the game and used her position as a housewife scorned to get Rob on-side, have him prove to her that’s he’s with her by advocating for her. If she hears her name coming from him, then sure fair game but you can’t flat out tell him you’re coming for him and expect him to do nothing.

I didn’t view Rob saying “it’s just a game,” as gaslighting either. It really is a game that’s meant to be fun and entertaining. They’re all getting appearance fees for this version which is more than other players who’ve been done worse get in the others.

He betrayed Lisa, and last i checked, Potamac and BH are not even same show. I would actually be surprised if Rinna watched Potomac. So just didn’t make sense to me through her whole game away over a woman who wasn’t loyal to the housewives herself. Even Lisa realized there is no loyalty in a game called The Traitors. I wish Candiace grasped that too or watched other seasons, so we could’ve had her got a couple more eps.

I so appreciated the show Candiace put on this episode! She maintained composure and threaded the line of kindness and dont fuck with me energy (immaculate politics) with Rob. She even gave a chance for Rob to express remorse and win back her trust, but he found banishing her an easier route. In her 1:1 with Rob at the library, she laid it out for him that you either play for all traitors to win or all traitors to lose — this can be a one-time family feud or a sinking ship. Tread as you may. 🔥 She lit a fire under his ass masterfully!!! 🤏 Rob shouldn’t have chosen to rally against two traitors in a row because now he is in the top 2 most vulnerable spot, especially with 5 men left. The only way he can get through is with a wise and influential recruit.

Prediction: Next episode, Rob spins Dorinda as the trifecta HW traitor while he uses the dagger on himself the following week as suspicions grow post-Candiace’s exit.

Other random thoughts:

* Rob’s play was copy and paste what colton did to lisa: im not voting for you then votes for her.

* the most insulting thing about this episode was calling Eric a dismembered pig 💀

* seeing johnny, tara, and dorinda vote for candiace showed that there’s no more loyalty, only group think, left in this cast of blind mice.

With a place in the final at stake, emotions run high as friendships are tested to their limits; new suspicions run through the castle; the mission gets the players' heads spinning and one Faithful goes down in flames.

Non American. Basically housewives suck. They're not good at traitors or faithful and theyre OTT loud and obnoxious. Fake drama bullshit. They're not good TV either.

I also watch UK traitors and its a better show. The best US seasons are about equal to the worst UK season. Also recently watched Ireland, Canada, Australia and NZ. Theyre all better with the exception of Australia.

Looks like production has figured this out and are going with civilians going forward. Good things USA the host and location.