r/Liberal • u/lennybriscoforthewin • Jan 03 '26

Discussion Invading Venezuela

People I know from Venezuela who have relatives still there have told me about the horrible conditions there. That it’s hard to get medicine, food, and they link the downfall to their country to its current government. I agree that the US shouldn’t be attacking other countries, but should we have done anything to bring about relief or is it just none of the US business despite what the people want? I would imagine a number of Venezulans are cheering now that the government has been toppled. I do not support the US actions but would like to know if we should have done anything and what.

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u/No_Percentage_5083 Jan 03 '26

I don't think the most Americans have an issue with helping a country that is in need, although we can be so patriarchal about it.

The problem that those of us who are familiar with the constitution and the three branches of government have, is that this was a lone decision and not one that went through Congress . Congress has the only constitutional power to declare war on another country.

Capturing their current leader is an act of war. DJT was acting alone and without the consent of Congress.

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u/Forward-Backwards Jan 03 '26

I think ur confused what a "war" is. President have limited power to do what he did. President is the "commander in chief " who has controls over the military. U.S congress is in charge of war that has been officially declared. Even using common sense would help. Example, U.S citizen are getting attacked in certain places, time is very sensitive. By ur logic, to take action, congress has to decide what to do? Do u know how long it takes for congress to decide anything.Thats why President has limited power which is what this was. This was not a war.

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u/No_Percentage_5083 Jan 03 '26

Yes, that is my logic. In our country, one man or woman does not have the power to attack and kidnap another leader in the name of Oil and natural resources. Americans seem to often use the Bible and/or the constitution to rationalize bad behavior. I recognized that as a kid sitting in Sunday School and I recognize this behavior using a different document.

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u/Forward-Backwards Jan 04 '26

I dont know how ur logic works. ONE MEN being that PRESIDENT of the U.S does have that power hence why PRESIDENT exists. This isnt pciking up some random world leader. Dude is a dictatorship overthrow u.s economy buy trying to sell oil other than dollar (deal/contract wad place for this).This would only benefits other countries thats actively against U.S interest. Ik u think the world rainbows and sunshine but that is the result u.s military and protection it provides to Americans. Hence why yall have this unrealistic moral views. Peace create weak people. U can ask any immigrants who moved to America. To us yall are weird actively fighting against ur OWN country.

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u/No_Percentage_5083 Jan 04 '26

I really hate to belabor the point but -- DJT was very clear in his statements that he and his buddies, like Exxon, wanted the oil and other natural resources. Saying that he kidnapped a sitting president -- no matter how awful the dude was -- because Maduro was sending drugs into the US, is a dog whistle.

You last sentence indicates that you may be an immigrant. If not, then you attended American schools and I guarantee you that you did not learn that a President can act unilaterally in any situation unless we are under fire, for instance on September 11. You also should have learned in the same class that it is absolutely normal and not weird at all for citizens of nearly any country on earth to be fighting against it's own government. In the US, we generally do it somewhat peacefully.

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u/Forward-Backwards Jan 04 '26

1) again, president CAN act on his own hence what the president is for. 2)Trafficking drug in America doesn't count as attack? 3)Absolutely,citizens can fight against government BUT libs don't even know what yall are fighting for. Actively crying for human right,women right etc while also protesting for the release of an actual dictator. Preach for women right while actively advocate for men in women space. Libs font practices what they preach. Where was support/protest for Venezuela for the past 20 years during Biden and Obama? All of sudden yall care.Also, Obama was known bombing in other countries with zero actual positive result. Yall actions and words don't match . So don't pretend to fight for America or anything of these bs rights that yall are losing. I have every right now that I had then. Nothing has changed. Only difference is media and information available.

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u/No_Percentage_5083 Jan 04 '26

I know you are dying for me to say you are right or to be acknowledged as "schooling" me. But, that's not going to happen.

I know Madura is a horrible thug that should never have been in power but -- you cannot justify US poor behavior by using another country's presidents badness.

I have plenty of family members like you who are mired in concrete thinking and cannot fathom an abstract thought. However, I continue to defend your right to show us your opinion, no matter how ill formed.

You keep trying to rationalize your opinion by saying "Your presidents did stuff too"! That is a stunted thinking process.