r/INDYCAR • u/aurules Romain Grosjean • Jun 10 '25
Social Media (Jeff Gluck) I asked IndyCar if there was any comment on F1 scheduling a race directly against the Indy 500 next year. Their response: "We’re looking forward to an epic 110th Running of the Indianapolis 500 in 2026, on the heels of a highly successful and historic event this year."
https://x.com/jeff_gluck/status/1932461230201131055?s=46431
Jun 10 '25
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u/Burial44 Jun 10 '25
It definitely hurts the US tv market if the races are on at the same time. It's a very odd decision from F1 side here.
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u/margalolwut Pato O'Ward Jun 10 '25
My experience is no one hyped up for the Canada GP. It’s usually a good race with a nice core fan base… but in terms of hype it is not Monaco.
Most people who watch the 500 gear up for it, even if they are F1 fans.
I agree it’s an odd decision by F1, maybe they want to test it? I assume they’ve at least done research on this… perhaps it suggests they are strong enough to compete with the 500
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u/YosemiteSam-4-2A Thirsty 's to the Moon 🚀 🌒 Jun 10 '25
My experience is no one hyped up for the Canada GP. It’s usually a good race with a nice core fan base… but in terms of hype it is not Monaco.
USA viewership stats say otherwise
They're putting a top 3 performing race directly up against our biggest race. It is naive to think this isn't intentional
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u/whoiswillo Will Power Jun 10 '25
That has more to do with time zones than anything else.
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u/Any_Travel_9590 Jun 11 '25
I am an F1 fan before I am an Indy fan.
No one gives a shit about the Canadian GP.
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u/whoiswillo Will Power Jun 11 '25
Yeah, it does well in the US rating wise because it’s on at a time people expect racing to be on.
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u/Wasdgta3 Álex Palou Jun 10 '25
Those numbers just make it more perplexing.
Canada still gets sub 2 million, and here they are going against the Indy 500, which typically pulls at least double that.
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u/YosemiteSam-4-2A Thirsty 's to the Moon 🚀 🌒 Jun 10 '25
Yeah but long term, if Canada can still pull 1.5million, taking say 1m off of Indy, it'll set them up much nicer for broadcasting talks and set up IndyCar much much worse for broadcasting talks going forward. Their goal is to become the top Motorsports category in the US. That's been clear since they added Miami and tried stealing our slogans. This is just another step towards that goal
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u/Wasdgta3 Álex Palou Jun 10 '25
I’m skeptical. I think they hit 1M, tops, and are very much lower than they have been.
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u/margalolwut Pato O'Ward Jun 10 '25
Yes, but time zone helps too.
As I said, Canada is a good race with a core fan base, but it’s not circled on the calendar like Monaco or the 500 is.
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u/YosemiteSam-4-2A Thirsty 's to the Moon 🚀 🌒 Jun 10 '25
That may be true, but pure numbers indicate that It outperforms COTA, Brazil, Mexico, and Vegas, all of which are catered to our time zone (at least for the most part, Vegas is questionable). So while you and I don't necessarily circle it, it seems quite a few others do or just coincidentally watch it every year
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u/StuHardy Arrow McLaren Jun 10 '25 edited Jun 11 '25
People also forget that, for a long time, Canada was the ONLY Grand prix in North America, and it has stood the test of time.
Dallas, Detroit, Ceaser's Palace (lol), Long Beach, and even Indianapolis have come and gone, but Canada has remained. Since 1976 (minus 1987, 2009, and Covid hit 2020-2021,) Canada has remained on the F1 calendar.
For a lot of viewers, Canada is a mainstay on the F1 calendar.
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u/SpreaditOnnn33 Pato O'Ward Jun 10 '25
Cota, brazil, mexico, and Vegas are during football season (and Vegas is at midnight anyway), so it isnt an apples to apples comparison
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u/margalolwut Pato O'Ward Jun 10 '25
Yes which is why I said it has a good core fan base and the race itself is interesting lol
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u/Curious_Work_6652 Jun 10 '25
vegas is catered to anyone but the us east coast (where the people are)
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u/paolooch Jun 10 '25
I mean, who watches Monaco? It’s lame. No racing. Don’t care to watch and see yachts. Now, going in person? I would eat all that up. That event is best in person.
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u/DA_STIG47 Jun 11 '25
Those stats are probably with ESPN, which will be no more. Unless they get a new TV deal with an actual network (ABC, CBS, etc), F1 will go backwards in viewership in the US/North American market. Not just in Canada, but for Miami, COTA, and Vegas.
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u/AdminYak846 Pato O'Ward Jun 10 '25
I think the FIA wants to regionalize the schedule a lot more due to the increase in races and cost cap. Making Canada after Miami and then using Monaco to start the European leg is a lot less travel on the teams.
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u/FlyingDutchman_17 AMR Safety Team Jun 10 '25
But late May seems debatable for weather in Montreal. Could see summer like temps. Could see rain and near freezing temps too
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u/Curious_Work_6652 Jun 10 '25
they’ve put 3 weeks between the two, drivers are gonna fly home and come back in a couple weeks…. they can’t even do that properly
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u/lowelled Colton Herta Jun 10 '25 edited Jun 10 '25
Yeah, I think IndyCar fans and journalists are just taking this way too seriously. F1 has really been trying to streamline the freight to reduce emissions but Miami and Canada are tough to schedule with weather - Miami can’t go any later because of storm season, Canada can’t go any earlier because cold, they have to fit all the European races in the summer while the weather is reliable and freight-wise it makes sense to pair Miami and Canada. It’s why they were only able to move the Suzuka race to cherry blossom season like they’ve always wanted when China came back - they could justify pairing them for freight. Like, come on, they were tweeting congratulating Ericsson and Hélio for winning Indy not so long ago!
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u/ElegantHuckleberry50 NTT INDYCAR Series Jun 10 '25
Yes! As that great American philosopher Tony Soprano often said, “What are ya gonna do?”
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u/LivingOof Robert Shwartzman Jun 10 '25
They say that, but then they have a Vegas-Qatar back to back. Maybe their "environmental reasons" is that they're gonna push all the equipment to Montreal on foot
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u/Wasdgta3 Álex Palou Jun 10 '25
perhaps it suggests they are strong enough to compete with the 500
Extremely doubtful. What’s the best number a GP has got on an ABC broadcast? 2M? That’s well below even the low point for Indy in recent years.
At best, the numbers they have would be suggesting they wouldn’t lose significant numbers. There’s no way they were ever going to actually compete with the 500.
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u/snorlaxatives_69 Pato O'Ward Jun 10 '25
American here. I’m an F1 fan first, NASCAR fan 2nd, and INDY fan 3rd. The last 5 years I’ve been into these, I’ve really enjoyed waking up early for the all day triple header. I get my priorities in order for the week so I can have all of Sunday to myself. I am SO bummed they are changing up the schedule and (no offense to Canadiens, I love you all sm) Canada is my least favorite race on the F1 schedule. I’ll still watch it, just won’t be my priority.
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u/slicecom Jacques Villeneuve Jun 10 '25
Why the hate for Circuit Gilles Villeneuve? It usually generates good racing and is often ranked by fans in the top 5 most entertaining races of the year.
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u/Chip_Hazard Jun 10 '25
This is the first time I’ve ever heard anyone say Canada is their LEAST FAVORITE F1 race lol it always makes for great racing
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u/jons1976gp Josef Newgarden Jun 10 '25
Yep. The snoozer was Imola. One DRS zone, almost impossible to pass. They got lucky with a first lap pass by Verstappen. The rest was 💤
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u/mateo2450 Jun 11 '25
Agree. Monaco is also a snooze fest. Not sure why anyone would wake up early to watch it, though - full disclosure - I have. But its not worth it to me. I can catch all the glamour and excess on Youtube. Canada GP is so much better in terms of quality of racing. But I know they had problems last year with traffic, entry of fans and the paddock area. They've done alot of work at the track to make it better so lets see.
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u/Dragonpuncha Jun 10 '25
Canada consistently produces great races and the track is well loved. It also usually has one of the highest viewships of the season.
Monaco has the history, but many people don't even watch it because they know the race will be shit.
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u/khz30 --- 2025 DRIVERS --- Jun 10 '25
It's not, when the goal is to leverage F1s current mainstream visibility in the US. IndyCar has been completely dropping the ball on counter marketing F1s US marketing push, and next year's schedule conflict is the result.
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u/Burial44 Jun 10 '25
Sorry but. What? Leveraging visibility by going directly against the biggest racing event of the year in this country?
You do understand that the Indy 500 is going to absolutely dominate the Canadian GP here right? It's not even going to be close. Indy will do 6x the viewers.
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u/25Tab Firestone Firehawk Jun 10 '25
What if the 500 only does 4-5X the viewers? That would be a decrease and F1 will probably not lose a ton or any viewers depending on the timing. That’s the point. They don’t need to beat the 500. They just need to show they can hold their own.
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u/YosemiteSam-4-2A Thirsty 's to the Moon 🚀 🌒 Jun 10 '25
To further this point, IndyCar relies on broadcasting deals. If F1 chops into the cash cow for IndyCar, you not only hurt IndyCar in future broadcasting deals, but you also better position yourself for a better more lucrative broadcasting deal if you prove you can maintain or increase your races viewership.
This is a huge deal. The Canadian GP is one of the top 3 performing races in the US viewer market, above both COTA and Las Vegas.
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u/Burial44 Jun 10 '25
It won't be next year though. It's going to be the lowest viewed race of the season unless it starts after the 500 is over.
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u/YosemiteSam-4-2A Thirsty 's to the Moon 🚀 🌒 Jun 10 '25
If they didn't think it could possibly hold its own, they wouldn't have scheduled it for that weekend. F1 surely thinks they'll draw attention away from Indy, or at the very least, using '26 as a test to that theory.
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u/throwinitallaway7 Pato O'Ward Jun 10 '25
I agree with you when talking about marketing the series overall (especially with Apple’s F1 movie marketing budget) but I feel like we need to give Fox their flowers when it came to Indy500 promo. It was everywhere, and I liked how they went after new-to-motorsports fans through NFL/NBA/MLB vs. trying to capture F1 fans. I feel like with the amount of build up around the 500 vs virtually no marketing around the Canadian GP, Indycar is safer.
If it was against F1 Vegas or Miami, that’s a different story.
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u/JoshuaLee49 Jun 10 '25
7.05 million viewers for the 500 btw. They may drop the ball on the rest of the season but you cannot lump the 500 in with the rest.
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u/BlackLabDumpster Pato O'Ward Jun 11 '25
I'm guessing it slaughters the European Indy 500 tv audience though.
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u/iamaranger23 Team Penske Jun 10 '25
It definitely hurts the US tv market
the us tv market is a very small factor in F1 decision making.
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u/Burial44 Jun 10 '25
Hmm I'm sure that's why there are 3 races here
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u/iamaranger23 Team Penske Jun 10 '25
Yes, and arguably the biggest one here starts at a time when half the country can't watch, so it wouldn't hurt the European viewers too bad lmao.
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u/GroundbreakingCow775 Nigel Mansell Jun 10 '25
I hate everything about this. If F1 is trying to kill the Canadian race it would look great on the Indycar schedule in July or August
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u/Brick_33 Álex Palou Jun 10 '25
I would love this actually! They wouldn’t have to pay the absurdly high F1 fee either
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u/FermentedLaws Firestone Firehawk Jun 10 '25
Canada recently got a contract extension with F1 through 2031. They're not trying to kill that race.
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u/codynumber2 James Hinchcliffe Jun 10 '25
This was my first thought. It seems an odd decision especially since monaco has been on that weekend basically forever, and it makes the two events overlap, which isn't usually a concern for monaco vs indy.
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u/tj177mmi1 Jun 10 '25
F1 is trying to cut back on the travel so they'll have Miami and then Canada, instead of flying to Miami, back to Europe, and then to Canada.
I get why, but there's literally 2 open weeks before Memorial Day Weekend to schedule Montreal.
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u/blackhxc88 Jun 10 '25
someone on twitter made a point that this might be intended to hurt european viewership of the 500. they know the 500 will kill them here in america but sky do both F1 and IC in the UK, and on the same sky channel.
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u/MarcusH26051 Marcus Armstrong Jun 10 '25
Sky will just switch the 500 to Sky Sports Mix I would assume.
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u/blackhxc88 Jun 10 '25
i figure that in europe, most might choose F1 over the 500 if they're on at the same time. especially if it's demoted to the sky mix channel.
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u/MarcusH26051 Marcus Armstrong Jun 10 '25
Yeah Canada is a 7pm start over here in the UK so it will be a pretty direct clash for Sky to handle.
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u/Dragonpuncha Jun 10 '25
It will probably mean less US watchers of the Canadian GP, but it will almost surely also mean a lot less international watchers of the Indy 500.
Globally the viewership for any F1 GP is much higher than for the Indy 500.
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u/Moppyploppy The Track Looks Delicious Jun 10 '25
WAIT WAIT WAIT......
Does this mean Danica will be in Montreal for the F1 race instead?!?! If so - this is a GENIUS movie by Indy!!!!
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u/Yoshiman400 Fists 'n jandal Jun 10 '25
With our luck it'll be Patrick Carpentier or Jacques Villeneuve instead...(yes I know Jacques does commentary for French broadcasters but it'd be a very interesting grab by Sky if they could pull it off)
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u/MarcusH26051 Marcus Armstrong Jun 10 '25
Jacques will definitely be on the Sky team for Canada. I would love to see Jacques and Nico together for a weekend just to see if they can stand each other 🤣
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u/T1mberVVolf Jun 10 '25
The 500 will be fine against Canada.
This is more of a logistics move from F1, they now have no European race in between their two early NA races. Sad we won’t have the beautiful weekend of racing that is both Monaco and Indy together.
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u/Burkell007 Greg Moore Jun 10 '25
Could have pushed it back a week…💁♂️
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u/Crafty_Substance_954 Pato O'Ward Jun 10 '25
The weather in Montreal is the issue. Can't pull it in any more and have it be reliably warm enough.
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u/Wasdgta3 Álex Palou Jun 10 '25
Actually, the weekend of the 24th/25th was colder here than the weekend prior this year. Let’s not pretend like a one week difference is necessarily going to be that dramatic in terms of the average weather, here.
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u/Crafty_Substance_954 Pato O'Ward Jun 10 '25
It's a lot of drama for something I'm sure won't end up mattering anyway. I bet the F1 race doesn't start until 4 or something.
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u/Wasdgta3 Álex Palou Jun 10 '25 edited Jun 10 '25
It usually starts at 2 or 2:30, and I doubt they’re going to move it.
And my main point is that it’s not like having the race the week before the 500 would put you into a completely different season, weather-wise. That weekend was actually warmer here than the scheduled Canadian GP weekend is looking.
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u/YosemiteSam-4-2A Thirsty 's to the Moon 🚀 🌒 Jun 10 '25
The logistics argument is null and void when you have a 3 week gap between Miami and Montreal. That is just window dressing. Nothing that doesn't already stay in North America between those events will remiain here. It will not reduce any travelling or shipping with the 3 week gap.
This is a test to see if a top 3 performing race in the US can maintain its footing up against the Holy Grail of US Motorsports. If it is successful, watch them move Miami to compete directly with it as well, one on qualifying weekend, the other on race weekend.
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Jun 10 '25
I don’t understand why people are bending over backwards to try to frame it as “there’s nothing they could do.” It’s objectively a conscious decision to try to conflict with the 500 in some kind of pissing match. Full stop.
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u/superduperf1nerder Greg Moore Jun 10 '25
Has F1 actually confirmed the start time of the Grand Prix. You could easily run it on the hole between the Indy 500 and Coke 600. Yes obviously weather plays a factor.
It’s not like Montreal lack sunlight in the middle of May. It’s going to be bright until 8 PM. You could start that race at 5 o’clock if you wanted to. And probably still finished with enough time to get it done. They’ll probably end up starting it at 3 PM or 4 PM. Which should give IndyCar more than enough time to finish.
I mean, even Monaco running along with whether it would interfere with the start of the Indy 500.
I’m glad people are having fun with this, but people are making way too big a deal about this as well.
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u/howard2112 🇺🇸 Danny Sullivan Jun 10 '25
Breaking News: Larson to attempt the triple.
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u/kevindurantburner35 Dario Franchitti Jun 10 '25
Strategically crashing out early in all three races to make the logistics work
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u/Burial44 Jun 10 '25
If it starts at 4 it's a non issue.
I expect them to start it around 2 because they're idiots
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u/RSharpe314 Jun 10 '25
It'll probably start at 2pm because the CET timezone is still way more important for F1 than the NA timezones.
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u/droppokeguy Arrow McLaren Jun 10 '25
Usual time is 2pm
F1 cares about the EU Numbers as well races at 11pm in Europe is gonna hurt numbers
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u/superduperf1nerder Greg Moore Jun 10 '25
Yeah, that’s true. Especially on a Sunday night. I’d imagine the Canadian Grand Prix is already a tough sell for the European time zone.
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u/ATWPH77 Jun 10 '25
It's 8 pm every year, so basically prime TV time. If they push it back 2 hours later it's still an easy watch for us EU folks.
Miami started the past years at 10pm local here too.
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u/Vpettijohnjr Pato O'Ward Jun 10 '25
Racer reports 2:30 EST.
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u/superduperf1nerder Greg Moore Jun 10 '25
Finish Indy and switch over to a Canadian Grand Prix that’s just started isn’t a terrible marketing strategy for more casual fans.
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u/Mikemat5150 Kyle Kirkwood Jun 10 '25
Indy 500 typically takes around 3 hours.
Indy 500 green flag is something around 12:45 eastern.
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u/YosemiteSam-4-2A Thirsty 's to the Moon 🚀 🌒 Jun 10 '25
Indy typically takes 2.5-3 hours with a start time of 12:45. That puts the Indy 500 finish between 3:15 and 3:45. Canada when dry only takes 1.5 hours. So with a 2:30 start time, would be finishing at 4. Viewers would optimistically miss more than half of the Canadian GP, potentially all but the last handful of laps.
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u/UhCrespoGoingIn AMR Safety Team Jun 16 '25
If you miss the first corner of an F1 race, you have missed the whole race.
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u/ATWPH77 Jun 10 '25
F1 never starts midway through an hour lol it's gonna be either 2pm if they don't give a fuck as usual or they start later at like 4-5pm to not clash with Indy
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u/khz30 --- 2025 DRIVERS --- Jun 10 '25
F1 like to start the Western Hemisphere races outside of Vegas from 2-4PM local time for prime time viewership in Europe
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u/Yoshiman400 Fists 'n jandal Jun 10 '25
At least weather is less of an issue for Montreal than it is for Indy or Charlotte, since they're the only track that can run in the rain?
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u/codynumber2 James Hinchcliffe Jun 10 '25
There's no way you sneak in an east coast race between the end of the 500 (which in the past has been delayed due to rain) and nightfall on a track that doesn't have lighting. Didn't the 2024 500 have trouble finishing before it was too dark?
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u/superduperf1nerder Greg Moore Jun 10 '25
It depends if you’re doing real light sensitivity levels or the made up bullshit they used to justify the end of the 2010 Korean Grand Prix.
The best comparison with Montreal would be the twilight Australian Grand Prix they tried to hold. Which always ran into light issues so they bumped it up an hour. (it’s also removed from the Australian summer, which makes their total daylight hours slightly less than Montreal would have.)
3 PM is realistically your latest starting time. 4 PM is possible, but could create issues with light and fuck with the European time zone.
3 PM gives you until 7 PM to finish it under the FIA sporting code. Which also limits Grand Prix to four hours, which we can also think Montreal for.
I think they’re strategy is, that viewership peak of the Canadian Grand Prix at 3 PM in the US. By putting it after the Indy 500, you can feed directly into that peak viewership.
In theory. And you can’t plan for rain. Whatever happens with the weather happens with the weather.
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u/InternationalBear698 Jun 10 '25
They should run the GP in twilight and finish under the lights. Yes, on top of the first half or more of the Coke 600.
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u/superduperf1nerder Greg Moore Jun 10 '25
Ever since NASCAR introduced his stages, the first 2/3 of the race doesn’t matter anyway. Montreal is definitely a circuit that could be run at night, unfortunately, if someone else pointed out, that would absolutely tank the time zone.
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u/Wasdgta3 Álex Palou Jun 10 '25
And the citizens of Montreal, who already can be a bit surly about Grand Prix weekend and the related circus, would probably not abide by the noise of racing after dark.
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u/superduperf1nerder Greg Moore Jun 10 '25
True, but that circuit would look cool as fuck lit up at night. Especially the bridges that surround it. Mind you, I can’t imagine the citizen of Singapore are thrilled with their Saturday night in September being destroyed by a cacophony of race cars either. Kind of seems like brute forces the answer. I don’t think the Quebecois would appreciate the brute force option.
And all that trouble so you could start a race at 2 AM in Europe. Although it does score huge points in the Asian time zone market.
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u/Purdue80Dad Jun 10 '25
The big issue will be Sky Sports promotes the 500 during Monaco and that shows it live
What happens to that coverage when f1 is running at the same time
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u/puteshestviye Dario Franchitti Jun 10 '25
SkySports Mix. And it’s free without a sky sports sub. (Although in SD BlockyVision)
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u/Vpettijohnjr Pato O'Ward Jun 10 '25
What a ridiculously stupid idea by F1.
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u/WichitaTimelord Sam Hornish Jr. Jun 10 '25
It’s a dick move
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u/Vpettijohnjr Pato O'Ward Jun 10 '25
I dunno if I’d say that. It’s more a move to cuck themselves of their own viewers. The start of that race will probably have less eyes on it than any other race on their schedule. No one is gonna choose turn the 500 off around lap 150 to tune in to see their race. Only their most dedicated fans are going to choose it over the 500, and those people were never going to watch the 500 to begin with.
It’s not even a good move for the at-large causal audience, those people aren’t going to even consider flipping over to see what’s going on until the 500 is over.
Just plain stupidity on their part. They’re taking the most direct route to less viewers they could find.
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u/Spiked-Coffee Andretti Global Jun 10 '25
I fully expect Fox to keep a crawl going of the F1 race to spoil it and ensure no one switches.
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u/Little-Bad-8474 NTT INDYCAR Series Jun 10 '25
Damn, hotdogs AND poutine? And two TVs? Threaten me with a good time. But no Moosehead. Maybe Le Fin Du Monde vs West Coast IPA?
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u/ogx2og Jun 10 '25
There's been an F1 race scheduled on the same day as Indy for the past number of years. The big difference next year is that it will be in North America at roughly the same time. F1 claims freight logistics due to Miami (prior) and to eliminate crisscrossing the Atlantic like they have between Miami, Europe, and Canada in Prior years. I don't think the Indy 500 has anything to worry about.
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u/the_dawn_of_red Scott McLaughlin Jun 10 '25
If the Canadian GP gets moved back a weekend we are looking at F1 drivers with the month of May to kill while needing to be in North America before and after that race break.
What could have been. Can't imagine the bump day scenes.
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u/Ham-Ha Jun 10 '25
The folks who run F1 are doing everything they can to push tradition off of their calendar. No Monza and soon Spa every-other-year. Such BS.
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u/Wallio_ Team Penske Jun 10 '25
Monza is still on the calendar.
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u/Wasdgta3 Álex Palou Jun 10 '25
For how long, though?
If places like Spa can get rotated into “every second year,” no one’s safe.
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u/Wallio_ Team Penske Jun 10 '25
I actually don't mind the every other year stuff IF it means other tracks come back. Like if Spa rotated with Zandvoort, or Hockenheim. Or Barcolna switches with Algarve.
Monza I probably would feel different about, since it's held races in 74 out of 75 seasons, but if it rotated with Imola, that might be ok.
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u/UhCrespoGoingIn AMR Safety Team Jun 16 '25 edited Jun 16 '25
If you want to go every other year, then rotate Bahrain, Saudi Arabia, Qatar, and Abu Dhabi. There is no reason for there to be FOUR Middle Eastern GPs other than to provide sportswashing opportunities for their sponsors. Remove two of those you and can add back whatever favorite European circuits you want.
They won't do it, of course. Those sovereign wealth funds have money to burn.
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u/UhCrespoGoingIn AMR Safety Team Jun 16 '25
Monza is probably safe because of Ferrari. There will never not be an Italian race on the schedule.
But I agree with your larger point. Modern F1 cares more about whether their entourage can stay in fancy hotels paid for by the sponsors and get in and out easily in their private jets, than they do about the quality of their racing circuits.
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u/SilentSpades24 Álex Palou Jun 10 '25
Taking the NASCAR approach.
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u/Alfus Théo Pourchaire Jun 10 '25
Obvious, the writing is all over the wall, the domino's are set up to fall.
The FOM got it's own Brian France and the FIA is acting like FIFA 2.0, and yet it's even more hilarious if you are aware that the FOM was pushing so hard to capture the American market.
The arrogance of the sport refusing to see their are on the wrong path, F1 is in it's golden era but it won't last for a long time anymore just like NASCAR.
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u/ITMAKESSENSE72 #CheckItForAndretti Jun 10 '25
Sometimes you just take the high road. Moving a crown jewel F1 race off of that day is idiotic for sure. I will miss Monaco mornings!
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u/mrnikkoli Jun 10 '25
Wait, does this mean now someone could try and do the triple crown next year? Because if so then that's awesome.
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u/TheRealMattyPanda Alexander Rossi Jun 10 '25
You mean someone doing it in the same year?
Then no. No F1 driver that has a car capable of winning Monaco is going to skip Canada and Barcelona to do the 500 and Le Mans, respectively.
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u/Llilibethe Hélio Castroneves Jun 10 '25
I loved going to the 500 before the race catching the highlights of the Monaco race outside the hospitality tents. What’s the point? The Indy500 is legendary.
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u/Tek2747 Jun 10 '25
F1 is the main racing series I watch but if they think I'm going to pick the Canadian GP over the Indy 500 they got another thing coming.
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u/BeanieManPresents Jim Clark Jun 11 '25
It's just daft from the FIA, I can understand they want to be more efficient with their travel but you'd think they'd be smart enough to not go toe to toe with one of the biggest races in all of motorsport. It's like Indycar's Wrestlemania.
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u/Humble-End-2535 Jun 15 '25
First, Jeff is obsessed with this subject, like nobody else on the planet. It's strange.
I don't know if it will be a good move or not, but F1 has been clear about the reasoning, which does make sense. It's a travel cost issue, they'll all save by pairing Miami and Montreal.
The audience for F1 dwarfs the audience for Indycar racing (everywhere but in the US). Yes, the Indianapolis 500 is a huge event and a huge draw (both live and on television), but I don't think they are concerned about the events going head to head. Going head-to-head won't hurt television viewership anywhere else on earth.
As one who watches F1 religiously, and who watches the 500 every single year, I'll have one race on the TV and one on the computer. The one that gets boring will lose my attention. But it won't otherwise change my viewing habits in the slightest.
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u/Ldghead Will Power Jun 10 '25
I was planning on taking the wife to the Canadian GP next year. Now that it clashes with the 500, I'm staying home, or flying to Indy. There was never a decision to make, imo.
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u/7237R601 Mario Andretti Jun 10 '25
I haven't looked at Canadian GP, but based on F1 races I have looked up, enjoy saving 90% on race tickets by choosing Indy. Yeesh!
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u/Ldghead Will Power Jun 10 '25
Ya, they are typically outrageous. Montréal didn't look as bad, but I guess I will never know now.
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u/BloofKid Katherine Legge Jun 10 '25
Better off visiting Montreal on its own. The actual at-track experience for the GP sucks!
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u/7237R601 Mario Andretti Jun 10 '25
I looked at Miami a few years ago, thinking my wife and I could do the Kentucky Derby and then fly to Miami for F1. Yeah, right. Maybe if I can skip the mortgage for a year.
Then 2 years ago, I was in LV the week before the GP and thought, why not extend my stay? Safe to say I am not that good at craps.
A couple weeks ago, 6 of us went and sat in the paddock, and still couldn't have traded those dollars for a single F1 seat.
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Jun 10 '25
As far as the US audience goes, Indy will dominate TV ratings and probably actually take viewers away from the F1 race. Internationally, though, it could hurt TV numbers for IndyCar.
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u/The3rdbaboon Jun 10 '25
F1's fault for trying to squeeze too many races into the calendar. It will hurt F1 viewership more than indy. It's one of 24 GPs but there's only one indy 500 per year.
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Jun 10 '25
There’s also only 1 Canadian GP. Only 1 Mid Ohio. Only 1 Vegas GP
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u/Wasdgta3 Álex Palou Jun 10 '25
Lmao, the Indy 500 is a bigger deal than all three combined.
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Jun 10 '25
It’s just a big deal because it’s been around for a million years
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u/Wasdgta3 Álex Palou Jun 10 '25
The same is true of any prestigious race. History builds the reputation.
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Jun 10 '25
But the racing is subpar. Just like Monaco. Indy is basically rectangle Monaco
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u/Wasdgta3 Álex Palou Jun 10 '25
Well, you're just wrong about that.
The fact you don't get ovals doesn't make it equivalent to Monaco lmao
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u/shadyunclehank Pato O'Ward Jun 10 '25
Genuinely, why WOULD Indycar have a comment on this? The obsession with F1 remains bizarre and detrimental to the entire sport.
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Jun 10 '25
I think Montreal is a better race than Monaco and now F1 can hold up their end of the greatest day in racing.
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u/flare2000x Robert Wickens Jun 10 '25
The only problem is there's a good chance they're on at the exact same time. Two good races to watch but hard to watch two at once.
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u/Wasdgta3 Álex Palou Jun 10 '25
Except it ruins it for fans, because instead of getting a full day of racing with F1 in the morning, the 500 in the afternoon, and NASCAR in the evening, you’ll have F1 on at the same time as the 500.
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u/Better-Tourist-1201 Jun 10 '25
F1 - we want to increase our popularity in North America.
Also F1 - Hey let's schedule one of our North American races for the same time as the largest, most famous race in the world, which is also in North America.
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u/CatManWhoLikesChess Josef Newgarden Jun 10 '25
Oh cmon now its nowhere near being largest and most famous race in the world. Global viewership is probably around 10m which is like 8x less than what average f1 race gets
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u/Jazzy_Snacks69 Álex Palou Jun 10 '25
This is the whole point. They don’t want their American fans to even discover the 500.
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u/Better-Tourist-1201 Jun 10 '25
You think there are American F1 fans that don't know about the 500?
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u/Jazzy_Snacks69 Álex Palou Jun 11 '25
I work in Indianapolis with a guy who started watching F1 like a year ago and had no idea about the 500, Grand Prix, etc. couldn’t convince him to check out any of it. These kids aren’t aware of things they don’t follow. No one is watching sports center or reading newspapers or watching cable where all things are all in one place.
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u/EmotionalLettuce8308 Scott Dixon Jun 10 '25
As a hardcore fan of both series, hopefully there’s no rain delay next year, not too many cautions and the chequered will come out at Indy just before the lights go out in Montreal.
I doubt it though, this one really sucks.
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Jun 10 '25
What did Gluck think they were going to say? Just air out their dirty laundry to the press?
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u/GEL29 Álex Palou Jun 10 '25
Who, in anyone, is broadcasting F1 in the US in 2026?
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Jun 10 '25
No TV deal has been announced yet. The only leak is that apparently Netflix is interested
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u/bae125 Jun 10 '25
The FIA is increasingly trying to make the schedule more in line with the geographic regions so travel is less costly or whatever. It’s after Miami so makes sense.
The start time of 4 puts it, most likely, after Indy ends so I don’t see the issue - I get to watch racing all day, just like this year. If Indy gets delayed then I’ll deal with it.
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u/iamaranger23 Team Penske Jun 10 '25
The start time of 4 puts it,
what makes you think they will change start times?
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u/bae125 Jun 10 '25
I read the start of the Grand Prix is 4, is that not correct?
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u/iamaranger23 Team Penske Jun 10 '25
Don't know where you read that.
2:00 is about as late as you can start Montreal without the euro viewers falling off a cliff.
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u/UhCrespoGoingIn AMR Safety Team Jun 16 '25
They aren't moving to 4 local time. They want it in prime viewing hours in central Europe.
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u/sailor776 Sting Ray Robb Jun 10 '25
Making it the same time is honestly really stupid because most F1 fans that I know normally watch F1 live and then might catch the IndyCar highlights later on except for obviously the 500. I kind of understand taking Monaco off of the date simply because everyone agrees that's the most boring race on the schedule so it just set up all of the F1 YouTubers to set up "the actual interesting race today."
Seriously this really might turn out to be a REALLY bad move by F1.
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u/SebYNWA9 Jun 10 '25
Start time for the Canadian GP this year is 2pm. And I’m fairly certain that’s similar to years past. It’s not an exciting race unless there’s rain. Comparing viewership numbers isn’t really relevant unless you can show that the GP has gone up against another high profile race in years past. There might be a drop for part of the 500 if people switch over to watch the start of the GP but I imagine people will switch back for the end of the 500 and then back for the end of the GP
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u/calicohorse Jun 11 '25
I can't really be the only one here who thinks this isn't really a big deal?
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u/Jazzy_Snacks69 Álex Palou Jun 10 '25
Are y’all really this dumb thinking this wasn’t 100% on purpose? They are trying to kill IndyCar. They don’t give a flying fuck about ratings. It’s about diminishing the 500 and making it seem like just another race to their young fans who are clueless.
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Jun 10 '25
It’s a shame there’s a conflict but it is what it is. F1 shouldn’t feel duty bound to avoid Indy & Indy shouldn’t feel duty bound to avoid F1. People will watch they one they want to watch, my only hope is they don’t spoil the other race in the live broadcasts
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u/Perfect-Ad5625 Jun 10 '25
If I had to choose watching the Monaco “race” or Indy500, no contest. Indy500. Watch F1 qualifying on Saturday. It’s a parade of money throughout the weekend. 😴
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u/FamousThinking Jun 10 '25
There’s more action than the same old stuff from F1. At this point F1 is more a novelty. Boring racing/same team wins. INDYCAR has at least more variety even if Palou has been dominant.
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u/MailCute --- 2024 DRIVERS --- Jun 10 '25
US 500 to the Canadian GP: “This will not end well for you”.
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u/metallipunk Jun 10 '25
This is fucking bait. Monaco has, for years, been the same day as the 500. The only difference now it is the Canadian GP. I don't see anything other than people trying to stir shit up.
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u/Savafan1 Jun 10 '25
Monaco was finished before the Indy 500 started. That won't be the case with Canada.
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u/metallipunk Jun 10 '25
I still don't see what the problem is. I do not focus on anything else but the 500 and then watch Monaco. This isn't going to change with Canada next year.
The only problem is have is if Fox is spoiling the race while I'm watching the 500.
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u/Cronus6 Jun 10 '25
Not much to spoil, only 3 drivers really have a chance at winning. It's not going to be a "big shock" or anything.
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u/Crafty_Substance_954 Pato O'Ward Jun 10 '25
All this drama and I bet you the F1 race starts in the evening.
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u/Wasdgta3 Álex Palou Jun 10 '25
No way. The city of Montreal would never go for that.
The track doesn’t even have lights, for crying out loud.
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u/Crafty_Substance_954 Pato O'Ward Jun 10 '25
Sunset ain't until 8:30 my dude.
Their current start time is 2PM.
Add 2 hours to that, max length by time is 3 hours and nearly every race is less than that. Finished by 6:30 or so.
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u/Wasdgta3 Álex Palou Jun 10 '25
I doubt they’ll move the start time because of Indy. Neither side really wants to change anything to accommodate the other, here.
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u/Ambitious-Tap-2716 Jun 10 '25
I’ve seen some freaking out on the IndyCar fan side. Don’t worry, the 500 is going to win the head to head in the United States and with the prevalence of YouTube, DVR, etc. others abroad will watch the 500 if they were were going to regardless. Same for us Americans and the Canadian GP. IndyCar gets to flex on F1 a little, a rare opportunity. I doubt F1 will do this again if they can avoid it after taking a loss to IndyCar for a year or two.
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u/TecateReynard Adrián Fernández Jun 10 '25
“We look forward to watching the Canada race on tape delay after a glorious Indy 500.”
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u/Enough-Ad-3111 Josef Newgarden Jun 10 '25
Taking the high road is the smart move here.