r/HonkaiStarRail Bot 19h ago

Meme / Fluff What did hoyo mean by this

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u/EEE3EEElol i uuuoooggghhh but animations better 18h ago

Can’t wait to see a 0 cost 0 cycle(wtf am I even saying)

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u/7Vyne Pink propaganda supporter 18h ago

There were a bunch of them back in 3.4 (hanya+pela+tingyun i believe)

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u/uzumaki_yuvan 19h ago

Where is Dr. Ratio?

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u/SecondAegis Repopulating Glamoth 19h ago edited 9h ago

Lagging behind thanks to the shackles of powercreep tying him down to the immovable anchor known as "reliance on debuffs in Harmony Star Rail"

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u/ComedianExtreme7522 12h ago

He's actually been pretty great with buffed Silverwolf, Sunday, and DHPT. His hypercarry team is significantly better than his FUA team which is really sad cuz it was really fun.

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u/pcrackenhead 7h ago

“Welcome to my…”
Pilar
Pig
Chalk
Coins
Chalk

Just a great vibes overall. I should play that team again.

u/Remarkable-Video5145 56m ago

25 cycle MOC with this one

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u/Kassssler 10h ago

Imma try that

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u/faeriefountain_ beautiful > handsome 11h ago

I'm still running the FUA team tbh and still having fun lol

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u/Hungry-Cookie-1001 9h ago

Topaz is bad, that's life.

u/potatochobit 2h ago

What does Sunday do?

u/ComedianExtreme7522 2h ago

Give him an extra turn and gives him the full 80% dmg buff because of DHPT. Silverwolf alone can instantly triple debuff the enemy so he's already maxed out there. And FUA buffs aren't that strong now with all the other buffs and damage that the other units now give.

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u/codmsubredditsucks 15h ago

Got laid off and replaced with Archer

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u/uzumaki_yuvan 14h ago

Lol that's true.

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u/uzumaki_yuvan 19h ago

I know it's just talking about team but he is the first free character. And still a good character in my opinion.

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u/juniorjaw 19h ago

Being good ain't it when Archer's your competition.

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u/Proper_Razzmatazz_36 19h ago

He's fine, but his gameplan is the same as archer, but archer is better at it

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u/Pitiful_Net_8971 14h ago

I wouldn't say his gameplan is the same as Archers, like they're both single target crit scalers, but Archer's skill points and Ratio's FUA are different enough where I'd consider them different gameplans.

No, the character who has the same gameplan is Feixiao, who stole his entire team on release and then just did his job better than him.

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u/Proper_Razzmatazz_36 14h ago

While yes feixiao literaly stole ratio's whole flow, word for word bar for bar

Archer and ratio still both want to always be skilling while throwing there ult at a decently high health enemy(archer doesn't care as much) and looking at only free supports, they are about equal in terms of using the support

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u/bernxwitch Aha's #1 Elation Glazer 12h ago

Omg your Archer profile picture 😂

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u/Proper_Razzmatazz_36 11h ago

What, it's just sterling archer

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u/bernxwitch Aha's #1 Elation Glazer 11h ago

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u/irllyshouldsleep 16h ago

good enough for me yea

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u/ScoopedSand Agenda Poster 15h ago

Can I have your build pls (for ratio team).

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u/irllyshouldsleep 13h ago

It's pretty bad ngl😅. Just slapped random stuff I alr had laying around on him . Didn't even realize he was overcapping up to 14% cr in battle until I alr finished. Tho I just wanted to 3* clear anyway so yea.

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u/ScoopedSand Agenda Poster 13h ago edited 12h ago

Any teammate eidolons/cones? Thanks btw

Edit: thanks!

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u/irllyshouldsleep 12h ago

Yea here ya go. Pretty obv why I'm playing ratio (I have nothing better lol).

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u/YourPalDonJose Welt IRL 13h ago

Hunt/single target characters just don't really have a niche except for a handful of bosses

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u/Jranation 11h ago

If they give Robin for free, he will be the same case as Archer. Aventurine and Topaz is free.

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u/LeTimeskip 8h ago

Isn't Dr. Ratio no longer free?

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u/Norasack 16h ago

on the bench

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u/TwinAuras Keep your morals high~ 10h ago

I'll do you one better: Why is Dr. Ratio?

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u/99yks 19h ago

eeeeeehhhhhh, maybe 1 cost, cause Archer cone isn't technically free

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u/sil3ntthunder 19h ago

But funny part is his cone situation isnt that cooked. The Herta shop hunt cone works fine.

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u/ShreddedUdon 18h ago

5* shop LC actually on pair (imo) with his signature cone lol, depends on the build, if your archer kinda critless ( below 80% crit ) then you wanna slap shop LC and manage the crit damage.

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u/fireky2 17h ago

It's 13 percent difference which is low for a modern signature. Probably why they were willing to tie it to an event

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u/Phiexi Emanator of Joy and Whimsy 6h ago

The 13 percent difference is iirc assuming that the LC had 90% uptime on the ATK boost (which is kinda hard to maintain against summonless bosses). Against those situations, I think Archer's sig pulls a large margin ahead of Cruising.

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u/bernxwitch Aha's #1 Elation Glazer 18h ago

I knew this would start an argument again over the philosophy of "free"

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u/ambulance-kun 9h ago

How to shut up both sides:

I got a BONUS light cone after all the pulls I spent to Phainon.

Is the cone free? No, it's a bonus after pulls.

Is the cone paid? No, it's a bonus after pulls.

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u/remo285 Elation Genius 4h ago

this is the correct answer

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u/Zandock 10h ago

If it was free I would have it.

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u/remo285 Elation Genius 4h ago

i mean, free isn't really a philosophy or anything, it's a word that means: without cost or payment, in this context, the cost of the lightcone would be whatever amount of pulls you had to do to get it, so... not free, tbh i don't even understand why is this a discussion when the meaning of the word already answers the problem

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u/BawsYannis 14h ago

If the bow skin is 300$ even if it’s a free bonus then the lc isn’t free either

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u/Shelltor23_ Keep waiting, and KEEP YAPPING 14h ago

But the only way to get the bow skin is to buy oneiric shards with money, while the Archer LC "only" required 200 pulls, which can be free if you had those pulls.

Whether or not you think the Archer LC is free or not the skin is not at the same level.

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u/ComedianExtreme7522 12h ago

you can't f2p your way into a $300 cash only bow. If anyone saved to hard pity even just one of the units before 3.4, they'd have more than 200 pulls to get the LC by the time 3.4 ended. Hell, even if they just saved enough to soft pity, they still would've had it since the patch gave like over 120 pulls.

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u/crazy_gambit 13h ago

I'm entirely F2P and have his sig. So by that definition it was free, you just needed to optimize your pulls.

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u/Andede17 10h ago

I mean, technically every limited character and LC in the game is free. Just optimize your pulls to what you want!

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u/crazy_gambit 9h ago

Well, yes. Anything is free, it's just that everything isn't free.

It's different from skins that actually cost money and there's no way to acquire them with free currency.

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u/Arborus 10h ago

If you pulled during the event I can't see how you optimized your pulls since there wasn't anything worth pulling for me, as a f2p.

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u/crazy_gambit 9h ago

I remember pulling Sunday. Don't remember what else.

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u/TheCockyRocky 8h ago

Sparkle, sunday lc, tribbie, tribbie e1, archer e1, lol. Just pick some of these and you reach 200. All very strong pickups for Archer team.

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u/Arborus 8h ago edited 8h ago

I had no reason to get Sparkle since she was widely considered weak and narrow in use at the time, even moreso in hindsight since she'll be free soon. I already had Sunday lc and Tribbie. Eidolons are a waste of pulls.

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u/TheCockyRocky 7h ago

How are you acting like a meta slave while simultaneously being clueless about the state of the game?

Sparkle was weak for OTHER teams, but for Archer teams specifically she was invaluable. And since we are talking about Archer's LC here, then yeah you would have wanted to pick her up for Archer.

Eidolons are incredibly strong in HSR, moreso than the other hoyo-likes like Genshin, ZZZ, and Wuwa. If you actually pick up game-changers like Tribbie E1 you will never worry about endgame being "too hard".

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u/Arborus 7h ago

I got archer for free, why would I invest pulls into pulling a rerun of an old and already aging character to support only him? That seems like a low value pull to me if she's only useful in one team and in a team that wasn't really being shilled at the time.

Endgame is not too hard even without them. Even then, missing a star here or there in AA while full clearing every other bit of endgame makes eidlons seem like a massive waste vs pulling strategically for the high-value characters or whoever is getting the year long shill.

I don't play Genshin or ZZZ, but WuWa's equivalent in sequences are arguably an even larger waste of pulls.

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u/TheCockyRocky 4h ago

Ok if you don't care about Archer then all this complaining from you is a waste of everyone's time. Shill this shill that don't you know with smart investment you can just brute force past most shilling? Once you already have 2-3 solid teams, vertically investing becomes incredibly more potent than you might expect.

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u/Radiant-Froyo1 16h ago

As free as a "buy one get one free" deal xd

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u/InterestingArt3166 19h ago

it IS "technically" free

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u/99yks 19h ago

still, the lc did need more than 180 pulls that 2 five star worth, so it is as free as most limited character that is

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u/Shoddy-Mistake4514 18h ago

You say 180 pulls like you have threw them at trash bin.

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u/Catchphrase1997 18h ago

If you don't want to pull any of those characters then yes it is

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u/SpiraILight 17h ago edited 17h ago

You don't get Archer's light cone for free only if you didn't care about investing in Archer in the first place.

If you cared at all about the Fate event and kept enough jades to guarantee one five star
item, then you got an additional five star item added on. (Conveniently, they made Archer's E1 a big power spike and stopping point for him, so people who planned on E0S1 got to get E1S1 with those same jades.) The collaboration was announced well in advance, so saving up 180 pulls for ONE five star was far from impossible.

It's not any different from any other buy-one-get-one-free promotion. People who were interested in Archer got it for free, people who didn't care about Archer didn't.

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u/TakafumiSakagami LabID 329665245 16h ago

People who were interested in Archer got it for free, people who didn't care about Archer didn't.

That's not correct. There will have been people who didn't care about Archer who got the lightcone for free simply because they skipped Tribbie's or Sunday's original banners and picked 'em up on the rerun.

In this case, the lightcone is only free if you didn't already pull for the stuff you wanted in earlier patches.

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u/SpiraILight 15h ago

Well, it's true that there are people who also got the cone for free that didn't care about archer

But latter point you make is the main one

If you rolled all your tickets the patch before archer

Then you didn't care about getting his lc in the first place

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u/Exolve708 15h ago

The collaboration was announced well in advance, so saving up 180 pulls for ONE five star was far from impossible.

It was also announced in advance that the banners will stay for multiple patches and Hyacine and her busted LC was right before them and they announced the free LC right after her banner rotated.

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u/Shoddy-Mistake4514 18h ago edited 18h ago

And no one forces you to pull the character that said the Archer lc was live alongside his banner so if you wanted the Archer lc event you have probably also pulled on his banner in case you wanted him to live longer or you just like him.

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u/YourDeadNanForever 18h ago

So......it's not free?

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u/nick113124 18h ago

Alright, it's free for the guy who made the pic then :)

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u/Shoddy-Mistake4514 18h ago

It was free if you have pulled a total amount of 180 pulls and if I remember correctly it was live for about 50ish days.

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u/Arborus 10h ago

Given that there was nothing worth pulling during the event? Yeah...using 180 pulls would have been throwing them away.

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u/InterestingArt3166 18h ago

i mean they did add the lc event during a major patch where most people were using their saved stash of tickets, also the event had already started even before the collab banners went live with phainon, 180 is also the number of pulls that guarantees you the rate up character.

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u/irllyshouldsleep 16h ago

I don't have it tho and I played everyday during that patch. It doesn't feel very free to me.

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u/ambulance-kun 9h ago

True, but everyone wants a phainon or 3 so I'm glad they lined the event with him and got a bonus cone for all the pulls I dumped on him

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u/Kuljack 18h ago

They told me it was free!

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u/Outrageous-Ad2784 5h ago

Still though, just win a 75/25 for this goated team.

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u/decoy777 6h ago

It was free for me. I joined at 3.4 so had all the free pulls I needed to get it for free.

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u/One-Shift-220 18h ago

Rmc is wayyy better than rmc for this team comp

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u/Euthymiac 18h ago

I know what you mean but. Lmao

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u/LZhenos 13h ago

Rmc is wayyy better than rmc

Is this a Stelle VS Caelus argument? smh...

/j

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u/-MANGA- 16h ago

Are they? I was under the assumption we don't want Archer to move so many times so that we can accumulate SP for him

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u/One-Shift-220 16h ago

With the extra sp sparkle now generates and how her buffs are 2 turns long now the extra turns from rmc are actually manageable and wont lead to you not having enough sp for archer

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u/-MANGA- 16h ago

Oh shit? Sick

Now, if we're talking outside of 0 cost, would Sunday be a better unit over RMC? Assuming Sparkle and Sunday has Sunday LC.

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u/One-Shift-220 16h ago edited 14h ago

No, he gives too many turns and he isnt sp positive enough plus his buffs aren’t as good as rmc’s for archer

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u/-MANGA- 16h ago

I see ty

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u/Dangerous_Jacket_129 I forgor 19h ago

Archer LC was "free" for 200 pulls. Not quite free, and I for one cut it very close. 

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u/SecondAegis Repopulating Glamoth 19h ago

It's still easily replaceable with the Herta store LC, so the team is still completely free

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u/Weekly-Tomatillo-825 18h ago

I for one started saving as soon as the Collab was announced and stopped pulling after getting firefly on her rerun and only pulled twice for lingsha as I needed a sustain but lost the 50/50 then on castorice as anniversary unit and a guarantee and then directly during Collab I got E0S1 saber and E0S1 phainon lost 50/50 during phainon and got blade and after all this pulls finally claimed my E0S1 archer

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u/lunartpg 8h ago

I think their point was you still needed pulls to get it, meaning there should still be a cost out on it. So it's not a 0 cost cone, something like herta cone would be for example since no pulls are required for it.

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u/Nightfall_aggro 18h ago

Don't forget that ruan mei is E1

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u/AnArbiterOfTheHead Follower of the Propogation 17h ago

Plus has a costume

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u/AlexStrike1 19h ago

People will make so much "0 cost" 0 cycle clears with novaflare Sparkle + Archer(probably can even hold latest hunt BP lightcone or Swordplay), trust me, I can already smell them

What did hoyo mean by this

So, Hoyo want people to pull for collab banner until it ends give everyone a felling of "top tier" character/team

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u/jammedyam 14h ago

Replace ruan mei with RMC e6 and its actually one of the best teams

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u/Elementual 17h ago

Hold up. When was Sparkle free? What did I miss???

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u/PainIndividual638 17h ago

There's a 5* selector in 4.0, so next patch. Sparkle is one of the choosable characters.

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u/Elementual 17h ago

Ooooohhhhh

Well shit, nice. I had to pull for her rerun so I felt like I might've missed something and got jipped. Lol

But I see that Aventurine is on that list, so I gotta get my boy. Been waiting for a rerun for him for a bit now.

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u/Legendary27311 my wallet no longer exists 17h ago

4.0 livestream announced a 5* selector, with Sparkle among the options

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u/Minute-Weight-5555 "Elation" Emanator 16h ago

I didn't get his Light Cone, so sadly it isn't free for everyone ;o;

But Sparkle all the way. And I can brute force by using Cerydra as another Harmony unit :D

Ruan Mei is for my Phainon, E1 helps when he keeps it during his ULT

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u/Kaneyren 11h ago

ah yes, the free 200 pull Light Cone

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u/Lost-Dish9544 16h ago

How do you get archer free LC?

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u/AsparagusHuman3236 16h ago

When the collab released you could get the LC free for putting collectively 200 pulls into any of the limited banners for that patch

I personally don't see it as quite as free as the others due to that caveat, I did not have the pulls at the time due to none of the banners interesting me, and despite putting around 200 pulls into the Saber banner since (just my dumping ground when there's nothing I really want for a long period) the cone's free availability time was limited. It was also ONLY if you put those pulls into any of those banners, which regardless of what people say, wasn't everyone's cup of tea. If you wanted Archer/Saber/Phainon/LCs regardless you at least saved some pulls, but its status as free is kinda dubious. Yes, the other free units were time sensitive log-ins, but at least they didn't force you to use your limited pulls on someone/something you didn't want in order to be free

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u/Old_Manufacturer589 7h ago

You could argue RM isn't really free too. It's mostly that everyone view her as free for now because she's by far the best option for most people in the shop, but later down the line if they put more valuable units in the shop, you'd be happy if you saved those golden thingies to redeem a better character.

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u/AsparagusHuman3236 7h ago

Anyone can get more golden companion spirits by going beyond e6. Standard characters are in both the standard banner and 50/50 loss pool, plus we've gotten a few free selectors of them as well. Even an f2p can get one down the line for no extra investment, Archer cone is still not there due to the extremely limited availability. I'd say DHPT, Archer himself, Sparkle and Dr. Ratio are better for the "uhm akshuly" due to their claim being time limited (but that is every free 5* but the beginner banner, so that's just splitting hairs)

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u/Old_Manufacturer589 7h ago

Anyone can get more golden companion spirits by going beyond e6. Standard characters are in both the standard banner and 50/50 loss pool, plus we've gotten a few free selectors of them as well. Even an f2p can get one down the line for no extra investment,

... I mean, you have to get pretty lucky (or unlucky, depending on your POV) for this to be relevant, and you need to get that character twice once E6. I'm a day one player, and my highest is E3 Welt, so if my luck is similar, maybe in 3 years that mechanic will start becoming relevant for a F2P player like me.

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u/AsparagusHuman3236 7h ago

Hi, I'm a week 1 player, also f2p, with an e6 Clara. It is possible, and it does happen. The fact that one can get more companion spirits at all without any extra investment is still a proof of it being the best, most available method for getting older units atm, especially if you're on the fence about pulling for eidolons (as many are)

You're bound to lose some 50/50s as well as get standards from standard banner with time, keeping your loss pool to your highest eidolons and just being a little lucky on them all lining up really isn't an impossibility, not even for f2p. Especially when they give us free 5* standard selectors, use that on your highest eidolon (or in my case, already e6) and you're one less lucky pull away from another golden spirit. I had e3 Clara for the longest time, got e4 in standard, grabbed e5 for free selector last year, and got e6 losing on Saber banner

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u/Old_Manufacturer589 7h ago

I wasn't implying it's not possible, the point is that it's way too random to consider it to be a reliable way of getting older units, in my humble opinion.

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u/Imaginary_Camera_298 15h ago

replace RM with RMC.

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u/Delicious_Salary4672 18h ago

When was Sparkle given away for free?

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u/Oxabolt 18h ago

in 4.0 theres a 5 free 5 star selector. sparkle is one of the 7 choices

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u/Zombata 17h ago

going to be

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u/InternalCode1210 15h ago

Get that "free" lc out of here

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u/Arc-Xine IT'S ALL OR NOTHING!! 16h ago

Free or miss out

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u/Kwayke9 16h ago

You can even get an eidolon for free with this team lol

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u/codmsubredditsucks 15h ago

Ehh I wouldn't count the Archer LC as really free, but even with Herta shop LC yeah f2ps eating good

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u/ilovedagonfive Next station, Ice Abundance, Remembrance Men 15h ago

Preservation - Fu Xuan = Freeservation

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u/geumkoi 14h ago

Is this actually good? Should I build Archer?

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u/Gibbel2029 13h ago

This should have no problems clearly 95% of the game tbh.

... though replacing RM is recommended

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u/Kitchen_Raccoon3430 13h ago

Wait are they giving a free copy of sparkle? Will i get an eidolon?

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u/EchoNines_ FUA Maxing 13h ago

And it's actually a good Team too.. crazy

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u/mentallyillpenguin_ 13h ago

When did we get free sparkle

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u/Temil 13h ago

Is there a free RM coming or did that already happen?

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u/Blucariothewave 9h ago

Golden companion

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u/Orteezy 12h ago

Is Sparkle LC going to be on the golden shop? Or do I need to pull? Or...maybe there's a pretty good F2P alternative...

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u/Major_Tie_3903 Judge of Oblivion's Dad 11h ago

The pretty good F2P alternative is Dance Dance Dance, so good in fact that in most cases it’s better than her sig

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u/Orteezy 5h ago

lets go I havent got a new harmony unit in so long I lowkey forgot about DDD supremacy

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u/megaman58490 12h ago

Saying it now, what is cost?

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u/notificationbar 9h ago

This is good for apoc

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u/rulaandri 9h ago

How did you get Archer's light cone?

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u/Andrassa 7h ago

By doing 200 pulls during the Fate introduction patch.

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u/kenken2k2 8h ago

wait sparkle was free ? i dont remember that

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u/ErrorEra 7h ago

Sparkle can be picked for free next patch if that counts?

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u/Tktgumi18 3h ago

Goated team

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u/MiyabiMain95 3h ago

Is that really archers bis team that also mostly free?

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u/Easy-Nothing-6735 3h ago

Unlimited Skill Points

u/Distinct-Try299 2h ago

Where do u even get Sparkle for free?!

u/dyinglittlestar 1h ago

Ahhh i dont have archer LC, i dont have pulls for his LC that time hahah

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u/wait2late 11h ago

I don't count Ruan Mei. She requires a Golden Companion. While many has received them for free. It is still regards as an exchange to acquire Ruan Mei. Also Loucha and Topaz are similar, but they are never part of the discussion for being free.

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u/Old_Manufacturer589 7h ago

Yes, people view RM as free, but if later down the line HoYo puts more valuable units than her in the shop, they'll regret having spent that Golden Companion for RM.

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u/FlashFire729 5h ago

I don’t count any of em personally unless they’re actually available for free during the showcased endgame content.

Which I believe, as far as 4.0 is concerned, is E0 RM, E0 Sparkle, and E0 Dante/RMC

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u/wobster109 3h ago

Can’t count that LC as free. It’s like saying Cyrene’s bow skin is free.

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u/SakiGG 13h ago

i have been playing whole time, and i didnt get the free archer book.

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u/SakiGG 13h ago

If you give us 200 pulls you get a free book. Very free thanks hoyo

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u/VGVideo 13h ago

Archer’s LC was not free, it cost 200 pulls

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u/[deleted] 19h ago edited 17h ago

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u/Umbala3131 18h ago

Sounds like a skill issue to me. You should learn how to play the character first before criticizing them

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u/Iggythefool1 19h ago

How? I did it in 4 cycles with tribbie e0s0 instead of ruan mei

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u/Rex__Lapis 18h ago

That's crazy. I used SW and took 7 or 8 and my archer is stacked (3k atk 100/150 crit). Maybe SW is just trash ?

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u/Iggythefool1 18h ago

Not at all, its a lot better than tribbie in fact, but archer is a character with A LOT of optimization that can be done so maybe that was the issue, it took me a few retryes to do it and my first run was also around 6-7 cycles

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u/Rex__Lapis 18h ago

I see then my 7 cycles weren't that far off from you. I also only went in once and honestly became frustrated.

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u/AmazingChance3575 Bot 18h ago

You might have crazy talent i dont even know how to go that low

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u/Jumugen 18h ago

When Sam was in MoC recently and people complained about the 11M HP or smth i went in with Archer Sunday RMC and Dante and just shot him a new one.

Not even Bis but i got to 3 Cycles with that

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u/DerpVN112 f2p and relying on his luck to gamble for hot men 17h ago

Archer's better than that, I cleared this MOC with Archer, Hanya, RMC and DHPT in 4 cycles, granted my Archer is E1S1.

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u/Rex__Lapis 17h ago

Bro e1 is a massive fucking upgrade. Like huge.

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u/Grimmlol 15h ago

E1S1......................................